Projektion Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 The opposite is happening for me. The more I listen to it, the more I like the raw mix. To each their own.The problem I have with it mostly is that it seems the raw aspect seems to be overly treble-y and it drowns out the bass. It why I didn't realise Rob was using a double pedal till Astat pointed it out, the raw feel to the guitars and everything drowns out the bass drum too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggiee2180@aol.com Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Unfortunately, I'm not holding my breath for Rob to break out the double base. Just look at Victimized. That crazy base during Mike's verse was sampled live. Kind of a buzz kill. Who knows, maybe this newly found energy will change his mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution1985 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Ahh high quality iTunes version in my headphones make this even better. Love the instruments throughout the whole song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geki Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 iTunes quality is awesome... LOVE THIS SONG!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlassCastles Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 iTunes quality is indeed vastly superior to the mp3 rip I had earlier (obviously) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOHAIL_Lq Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 A bit of trivia: Chester said it took Rob Bourdon 2 weeks to learn how to play Guilty All The Same. CC:MSC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONDREUS240 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 A bit of trivia: Chester said it took Rob Bourdon 2 weeks to learn how to play Guilty All The Same. CC:MSC That's not much when you think about it. It just means that in a two week period, he was able to get it perfect. The drum performance on this track is one of the best I've heard on any LP track and I'm pretty sure there wasn't any quantization going on considering the style they are going for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZLP-NaughtyNottingham Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Question time Is this Rob's best drumming ever? Best Brad's work since... No one has talked about Phi or Joe what do you think of them? For the guitarists out there, will Mike will be very busy during the song? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Question time Is this Rob's best drumming ever? Best Brad's work since... No one has talked about Phi or Joe what do you think of them? For the guitarists out there, will Mike will be very busy during the song? Some of Robs and Brads best, yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astat Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Question time Is this Rob's best drumming ever? Best Brad's work since... No one has talked about Phi or Joe what do you think of them? For the guitarists out there, will Mike will be very busy during the song? Not Rob's BEST drumming ever, but one of his top 4 or 5 tracks for sure (Easier to Run, The Little Things Give You Away, The Catalyst...) Brad's best work since In Pieces. Both songs are extremely simple to play outside of the solos. Phoenix sticks to his usual "double the guitars an octave down" stuff on this song, nothing really noteworthy. It's hard to judge Joe's studio output because you never know which electronic elements in various songs are actually done by him and not someone like Mike or Brad. I pointed out earlier that there's some "Joe-ish" stuff in this song if you listen for it, but it's not necessarily Joe doing it. I think this will be one of those songs where Mike switches back and forth between guitar and keys. There are a few spots with multiple guitar parts playing at once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePretender Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I hear at least three guitar parts and that makes me wonder how they will pull it off. It is the extra guitar that gives the punch to the song. I personally miss that in other songs live, a third guitarist (for example on Castle of Glass). I think that Mike will play the keys during the verses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZLP-NaughtyNottingham Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I think this will be one of those songs where Mike switches back and forth between guitar and keys. There are a few spots with multiple guitar parts playing at once. If Mike raps the bridge, will it sound ok with just one guitar? maybe Chester can play guitar in the bridge or Joe (lol). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astat Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 (edited) If Mike raps the bridge, will it sound ok with just one guitar? maybe Chester can play guitar in the bridge or Joe (lol). The bridge only has one guitar part in it anyway. It's basically the second half of the intro, the choruses, the part between the first chorus and second verse, and the outro that have more than one part. Edited March 7, 2014 by Astat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinez Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 (edited) Lyrics: Tell us all again / what you think we should be What the answers are / what it is we can't see Tell us all again / how to do what you say How to fall in line / how there's no other way But oh, we all know You're guilty all the same Too sick to be ashamed You want to point your finger But there's no one else to blame x2 You're guilty all the same! Show us all again / that our hands are unclean That we're unprepared / that you have what we need Show us all again / cause we cannot be saved Cause the end is near / now there's no other way And oh, you will know You're guilty all the same Too sick to be ashamed You want to point your finger But there's no one else to blame x2 There's no one else to blame Guilty all the same! Guilty all the same! x2 You're guilty all the same! Yeah You already know what it is Can y'all explain What kind of land is this When a man has plans of being rich But the bosses plans are wealthy Dirty money scheme A clean split is nonsense It's insane Even corporate hands is filthy They talk team and take the paper route All they think about is bank accounts Assets and realty At anybody’s expense No shame with a clear conscience No regrets and guilt free They claim that ain't the way that they built me The smoke screen before the flame Knowin’ as soon as the dough or the deal peak They say it's time for things to change Rearrange like good product rebuilt cheap Anything if it's more to gain Drained, manipulated like artists, it's real deep Until no more remains But I'm still me Like authentic hip-hop and rock Til’ pop and radio and record companies killed me Try to force me to stray and obey And got the gall to say how real can real be You feel me, we'll see That green could be to blame Or greedy for the fame TV or a name The media, the game To me you're all the same You're guilty You're guilty all the same Too sick to be ashamed You want to point your finger But there's no one else to blame x2 There's no one else to blame Guilty all the same! Guilty all the same! x2 Guilty all the same! Edited March 7, 2014 by martinez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikolajlaulp Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Rakims verse has grown on me a lot, i love the lyrical content of his verse, especially compared to the rest of the lyrics. Great flow aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusnam Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Yeah, I too waited until hearing a high quality version to give my views... Having listened on YouTube in HD and now Spotify, the song is definitely growing on me. The intro is cool, Rakim's verse is interesting, very unexpected obviously, I thought his vocals could have been a little louder but listening on Spotify in higher quality and it's better - still struggle to hear him at times through the drums/guitars but maybe that's just me. Chester's screaming does seem off at first but maybe that's just the sound they're going for, as many have said he'll be sure to add in a scream here and there live. Overall, nothing original to add but like everyone else I wasn't expecting such a heavy song, I could get used to this. Now the long wait for the album release! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stich Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I hear at least three guitar parts and that makes me wonder how they will pull it off. It is the extra guitar that gives the punch to the song. I personally miss that in other songs live, a third guitarist (for example on Castle of Glass). I think that Mike will play the keys during the verses.I think Mike plays both keys and guitsr just like in WID, I hope that doesn't mean Chester need to play guitar, I love see him jumping all over the stage while singing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution1985 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I know everyone is so excited about this (cause I can't stop listening lol) but will this song be in Transformers? Or are they not in it this time? I can't see us getting another song before May so maybe they just haven't released it? Any opinions ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesper Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Ahh high quality iTunes version in my headphones make this even better. Love the instruments throughout the whole song. yes!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramer05 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Like the song. Im interested to hear how the rest of the album will be heavy and aggressive, but different from this song. One of Linkin Park's best qualities is their variety. It's been said many times already, but the fact that this is the single is very exciting. I have always wanted them to release a heavier song for a single, only so those who do not buy the records can stop saying Linkin Park sucks. Either way, can't stop listening! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Projektion Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 ^ If this is a good representation of the upcoming album, I want to see how many older fans come back that left during MTM/ATS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MONDREUS240 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 (edited) I think those verses would sound 100x better if it was a gang vocal with Chester's lead still in the front. That would give the lyrics more meaning its since not in the first person. I think it would just make everything feel more full without the need of over production. Edited March 7, 2014 by MONDREUS240 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearOfTheDuck Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I don't think we need to worry about Chester playing guitar on this track, it's probably too complicated for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedamian58c Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Guitar or piano track will probably be played from a player or something, just like before, in for example WID. But I don't think least important guitar track is that hard, that Chester wouldn't be able to play this. Is it only me or Rob didn't even touch toms during the track? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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