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Eww...so our BEST case scenario with this song (depending on whether or not it ends up on iTunes) gives us 2 options: 1) 128kbps crappy version from 8BR that can't be directly transferred to another device 2) iTunes .m4a slightly less crappy (but still super lossy) version with DRM protection. This isn't helping the song grow on me. For once, I'm sincerely hoping they decide to release this song as a b-side on a single later on. You know, I find it really ironic that so many people talk about LP "selling out" with MTM, yet if they were to go back to a nu-metal-ish sound, that would be the absolute EPITOME of selling out: Sacrificing your artistic integrity (making the kind of music you want to make) and making music you don't have any personal connection to just because it's what people want to hear. That's the same thing all the mega-corporate Disney pop stars do. Golden rule of writing music (as far as I'm concerned): Whatever people want/expect you to do, do something else. If you're good, people will learn to like it.

Across the Line is definitely a stronger track, as far as I'm concerned.

It has live drums and bass, which aren't on the studio version, and there's substantially more guitar. It's more than different enough to be considered another version in my opinion, but since there's no studio recording of that version, I don't think it's right to categorize it with the others either.

LP signed their contract with Warner before they recorded the demos. The only pre-Warner material that exists is the Xero tape, the HTEP, and the 2-track Esaul/Super Xero demo. Dedicated also may pre-date the contract signing, but it's owned by Warner anyway because it was released on LPU 2.0. The HTEP is also owned by Warner now after the LPU re-release.

Except then the people who go to the shows would spam all the LP messageboards about how they were the "best shows ever" for the next 5 years. The incessant talk about how awesome Brazil 2004 was finally died down a year ago or so. And LP probably would do a South American tour if the majority of the promoters down there weren't shady as hell. Just about every big-name band that has toured down there has a nightmare story about not getting paid for performances, never getting their equipment back after flying back home following the tour, venues not being set up with the proper accommodations for their live show despite being promised that they'd have everything they need, or any other number of horrible things.

Despite the fact that it's in the same key as the 6th string song, has the same tempo as the 6th string song, and uses the same beat and strings as the 6th string song. Totally. I'm sure if this was a topic about the 8BR testing event in Los Angeles (or any other testing event that you hadn't personally attended, for that matter), you wouldn't be this adamant about staying on topic. "Fort Minor beat samples" ...? Mike can re-use sample banks to make beats in any kind of song he wants, that doesn't make them "Fort Minor beats," lol. I would bet money that there will be. I'm pretty sure I hear palm-muted guitar in the clip from the trailer. I wouldn't be surprised if some work was done on it more recently, we know that happened with Not Alone and they mentioned briefly that they decided to "finish" Across the Line for the LPU CD (although we don't know how much/what kind of work that involved). Err...what? Mike said the song title/lyrics don't have anything to do with the game. That was Mike, and we've been over this. As for the game developer also saying it was brand new, no shit that's what they're going to say! The developers are only going to know what the band has told them about the song, and if the band says it's brand new... I am 100% certain that Blackbirds is the 6th string song. Nothing will convince me otherwise.

The "World Trade Center mix" you're referring to is exactly the same track as the one that was released on the special edition of Hybrid Theory, OSC single, Frat Party, etc., it was just mislabeled on the Under Attack bootleg compilation. IIRC, there were 3 "remixes" on that compilation that used WTC or 9/11 references in the title (Crawling, Runaway, and High Voltage), but Crawling was the only one that was actually a remix, the other 2 were just the unaltered studio versions with different titles.

You do realize that both Across the Line and Not Alone were referred to as "brand new" as well, despite both of them dating back to the MTM sessions? The band uses "brand new" to describe anything that hasn't been released before. The song in the game could be something like Pictureboard, and I guarantee they would still refer to it as "brand new." I don't see what's so hard to understand by listening to the A/B comparison video ernieball003 posted. The beat is exactly the same, the strings are the same...the only thing that MIGHT have been re-recorded is the vocals, as was the case with Not Alone. That still doesn't make it "new."

There are radio edits of most LP-related singles, the majority of them just vary so little that it's hard to notice. One Step Closer radio edit - Lacks the feedback noise at the beginning that continues from the end of Papercut on the album version. Somewhere I Belong radio edit - Lacks the transition from the end of Don't Stay. Breaking the Habit radio edit - The album version starts with the explosion, the radio edit has a small fade-in before the explosion. What I've Done radio edit - Lacks the transition from the end of Shadow of the Day (the last keyboard chord doesn't overlap the guitar feedback). And there are numerous others. The aforementioned New Divide radio edit cuts out most of the instrumental breakdown between the second chorus and bridge, I'm not sure if I've seen any promo CDs with it but I've heard it played on multiple radio stations.

Indeed, some of the most frequent editors of Julien-K's Wikipedia page are the band themselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jkdjs They're also responsible for the majority of the significant updates.

100% positive. You're probably thinking of the third verse actually, it's easy to think of the first 2 verses as one verse because there is no chorus between them. - Around the 1:20 mark, Chester does one of those inward shrieking noises while Mike is singing.

To name a few... Breaking the Habit - Much like any other fan-made attempt at an instrumental of this song, the second verse is where things start to go wrong (since the instrumental clip on the BTH DVD only goes through the first chorus). With this particular version, they attempted to paste in the additional string parts, but some of the notes are wrong, and they have the bass notes in the second half of that verse wrong as well. The bridge is also considerably off. From the Inside - The verses are missing the clean guitar parts, and the piano has a couple notes that are wrong. The end of the second verse also has a variation that's missing (3 muted strums on the guitar instead of 4 like it is the first time), and the bridge has some more stuff that's obviously pitch-shifted/manipulated. Pushing Me Away - Pretty good outside of the bridge, which is all screwed up - the pitch-shifting to get the right guitar chords is totally obvious, and it's still not totally correct anyway. If you A/B his instrumentals with the originals, I'm sure you could find more subtle differences too.

None of those are "perfect." I suppose they are about the best fan-made attempts I've heard, but it still doesn't really interest me. Plus it pissed me off how for a while, he was labeling them as "official" instrumentals.

No comment.

I am LOVING this song. The beat is great, the way the 2 guitars and the bass all play different melodic figures that make sense when you weave them together is really cool, and I like how each chorus builds on the previous one by adding more harmony parts.

How anybody can listen to H! VLTG3's intentionally dissonant piano loop and not get a headache is beyond me. Pharoahe Monch's verse was pretty good, otherwise that version of the song is a major step backwards from the remix on the One Step Closer single - the original remix had a better beat, the instrumental fit the song better, and Chester's part was one of the best parts of the song. And it's not like Evidence worked particularly hard to make the beat on H! VLTG3, the majority of the instrumental of that song is directly sampled from "Family" by Lamont Dozier.

I can say that Eventful actually IS a pretty significant site that a lot of promoters look at and take into account when routing a tour. The last time KISS toured North America, they actually used Eventful as part of the promotion and called it the world's first "fan-routed tour." The most-demanded cities on Eventful all wound up part of their touring schedule, including some cities that big bands normally don't play, like Oshawa, ON and Uncasville, CT.

Due to the quality of the recording, any lyrics you see for that version are going to be, at best, a semi-accurate transcription involving a lot of guesswork. I spent several days trying to transcribe the lyrics to that version a few years ago, and even my interpretation is probably 75% correct at best. The "aztec moon" line has always sounded right to me, though.

I will never understand why there is so much animosity toward DBS, it's like everybody seems to think it's nothing more than a nuisance and all they want is a new LP album. Hell, I remember some of the reviews of the album when it leaked having "can it be LP time now please?" in them, before the damn album was even officially out! There was no talk like this while Fort Minor was still active, despite the fact that promotion for it lasted well into the recording process for Minutes to Midnight in the summer of 2006... If I was Chester, I'd tour with DBS for another 2 years and intentionally delay the new LP album as long as possible, purely out of spite.

A.06, Lying From You (intro/bridge), Given Up (bridge), those all sound similar... Chevelle - Wonder What's Next Velvet Revolver - Slither I'm sure there are other songs that are similar too.

Bumping this, I just heard Too Late on the radio in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area earlier today and the deejay referred to it as the "new single from Dead By Sunrise" afterwards, so I'd say this is pretty much official, but I'll wait for some kind of press release before moving this to the news section.

As far as I'm aware, Tak hasn't even spoken to anyone from the SOB/Spytech crew in well over a year. So there's no way he was working on finishing the album with Ryu 9 months ago. Tak has made rather harsh (and largely unfounded) comments toward some of the other people involved with SOB, but regardless of how you feel about his statements, he's also said the reality of the situation is that this album will likely never see the light of day.

This is Linkin Park we're talking about here, not Tool. 15 seconds is more than enough to make a judgement on the song's tempo, which is pretty run of the mill. Total opposite of the reality of the situation here - Not Alone is the only one of the three that stands ANY chance whatsoever of being played live, it was part of a huge promotional effort on the band's part to raise awareness of the situation in Haiti, and even had a music video. No matter how good Across the Line and Blackbirds are, the blunt truth is that they're rejects - they didn't make Minutes to Midnight because the band didn't think they were good enough. Why would the thought of playing them live ever cross their mind? 90% of the audience at a Linkin Park show (perhaps even more) wouldn't give a shit about them playing a song from a fan club CD or a song that was an unlockable track in an iPhone app. "That's nice...play Bleed it Out!" - attitude of the average concert-goer after hearing a song they aren't familiar with. If the band thought Blackbirds deserved to be played live, they would have put it on Minutes to Midnight, or at least waited less than 3 years before releasing it as an afterthought. I don't get why people bring up this topic every time a b-side/previously unreleased track comes out - 95% of the time, there's no chance of it being played live. And even if they are, look how long QWERTY and Reading My Eyes lasted in LP's live sets. The last non-single, non-album track to be played live with any regularity was the piano version of My December. Before that, you have to go all the way back to My December and It's Goin' Down being played regularly in the first half of 2004 (or the medley from the second half of 2004, if you want to get technical). It's time to wake up, guys. If a song isn't either A) an album song, or a song that received substantial commercial promotion, the chances of LP playing it live are slim to none.

8-Bit Rebellion is a game where you play as a single character, moving through a large, multi-faceted, interactive fantasy world, completing missions, collecting items, and fighting enemies. It clearly fits the definition of an RPG...and it's on an online network where you can interact with anybody else who's playing the game, so it's also MMO. How can it NOT be an MMORPG? The size of the game world or the amount of time it takes to beat it is irrelevant.

Worst LP record by far. I hope one day they'll have released enough non-derivative and/or formulaic albums that everybody will be able to look back on Meteora and laugh at how poorly it stands up to the rest of their discography. There are 6 good songs on this album. The rest can be completely deleted from history as far as I'm concerned.