Linkin Park releasing "Friendly Fire"

[IWillWalkAway]

55 minutes ago, EnhanX said:

Yep, I'm also not 100% sure they have access to the files from sessions, however, vocal tracks for TTTAMP version were fully completed before it was changed to Lost. It can be seen in "WIP" DVD when Don was working with tracks and the highest one - vocals - was fully recorded

They were definitely recorded. Chester Vox on Resolution (Lost) had one slash over it, which means recordings were partially done. Two slashes (X) was for fully finished and decided tracks. So it was in partially completed form at that time, but not settled on, and still receiving rewrites though so not necessarily meaning they saved the vocal recordings that were taken out and replaced from the songs.

 

50 minutes ago, PartOfMe said:

Would it be crazy to think they could release "And One 2000 Demo"? I mean, this song has been long overdue for a release, and Jeff Blue has confirmed its existence 

Well if that really does exists, that’s the 2nd of 3 cut tracks from the HT NRG session. Did not know And One made it to that, honestly but I could’ve guess it would be one.

Edited February 17 by IWillWalkAway

[leftshoe18]

I always assumed And One made it further into the HT sessions because of the existence of the different version they played live. I wouldn't be shocked if the three songs that didn't make the cut are that version of And One, the new version of High Voltage, and a version of Step Up since it was also played live during the HT era.

[IWillWalkAway]

18 minutes ago, leftshoe18 said:

I always assumed And One made it further into the HT sessions because of the existence of the different version they played live. I wouldn't be shocked if the three songs that didn't make the cut are that version of And One, the new version of High Voltage, and a version of Step Up since it was also played live during the HT era.

The most likely case is it’s probably literally those 3, which is what I had originally been thinking. Step Up and And One versions that are the farthest along they got would be actually dope to hear.

Edited February 17 by IWillWalkAway

[JZLP-Benningstrong]

8 minutes ago, IWillWalkAway said:

The most likely case is it’s probably literally those 3, which is what I had originally been thinking. Step Up and And One versions that are the farthest along they got would be actually dope to hear.

 

Carousel, and one and part of me appeared on the very last demo CD from February of 2000, they were part of the very last part of the process.

 

I guess that they had a real good chance to appear on the album.

[lpliveusername]

3 hours ago, leftshoe18 said:

Do you think the announcement with whatever track 14 is will also coincide with the release of that song? Or maybe a release date for the song?

I believe the album announcement will come with the premiere of the new single as it usually does.

 

1 hour ago, YRQRM0 said:

If 4 insta posts are coming in groups of 5, then that implies a 20th. Do we only think Friendly Fire is one because of the "Final Sessions" note? I feel like if there's a second one, it'll be from another era. Probably nothing left to share from Meteora, but we have those HT sessions and I'm sure plenty of MTM. That would give the larger fanbase of their earlier stuff something else to get excited about, since I feel like the average reaction to Friendly Fire will be "cool, but I still don't care for anything after the first 2/3 albums"

Doesn't really imply anything. The last post could have 4 songs because 19 is an odd number. No matter how you divide it, it's never gonna be the same amount of songs everyday.

 

Not saying I know for sure it's only gonna be 19 tracks, because I really don't and I do hope people here are right and we'll get two new songs instead of just one. But people should learn how to manage their expectations. As of now, nothing suggests that there are 20 tracks.

[martinez]

If not Lost 2022 mix, this song would not be that popular, if they would go with 2002 mix.

 

10 minutes ago, lpliveusername said:

As of now, nothing suggests that there are 20 tracks.

 

Hmn... 20 tracks on 2 vinyls? rather no.

[NJPLP]

22 minutes ago, lpliveusername said:

Doesn't really imply anything. The last post could have 4 songs because 19 is an odd number. No matter how you divide it, it's never gonna be the same amount of songs everyday.

 

Not saying I know for sure it's only gonna be 19 tracks, because I really don't and I do hope people here are right and we'll get two new songs instead of just one. But people should learn how to manage their expectations. As of now, nothing suggests that there are 20 tracks.

I guess we’ll find out Monday on if there are 19 or 20 tracks on the CD.

Edited February 18 by NJPLP

[AceWav]

1 hour ago, IWillWalkAway said:

again, and I’ve said this before to someone who said the same thing, no he never abandoned Lost’s mix. It made it to sequencing which came after all the songs were fully mixed and mastered so It was fully finished and ready to be put on the album. Mike called the song “a done deal”. Brad said they took it out of the album because they didn’t know where it would go on the tracklist.

 

I think that issue is because it’s only the CD rip that’s online, which doesn’t deliver the fullness of the song through a lot of modern speakers, aside from stereo systems. Ive listened to the 2002 mix in my home studio and it sounds way better than it does through a laptop speaker and even airpods

 

I could be wrong and stupid though, and misinformed about how things work. But I think CD quality has its limitations in today’s modern CD-less world.

Interesting...i was only guessing, but that's good to know. I can tell I am not the only one who agrees Andy made some questionable mixing decisions on Lost. Because i'm also listening from my home studio speakers and also headphones and the main thing that stuck out to me is that muddy boomy 808 beneath the bass guitar in the chorus, where those frequencies def clash in a not so clean way. Plus, Chester's vocals sometimes sounding a bit buried, but the guitars never bothered me, actually that's why it sounds like Meteora so it never stuck out as too loud to me personally. I grew up with Meteora as well, so we def understand what a 2000's LP era mix sounds like, but in my opinion, this one could have been better by Andy. Maybe he mixed this one last and as a engineer myself, I understand at some point ears get tired and fatigued, but if there's a deadline, we have to keep going. In the new mix, that 808 is still there but it's cleaned up and tucked in with low volume so it doesn't mess with the other low-end frequencies so we can tell it was addressed by Manny. 

[IWillWalkAway]

On 2/17/2024 at 7:08 PM, martinez said:

If not Lost 2022 mix, this song would not be that popular, if they would go with 2002 mix.

I agree on that they needed to do a little touch up. The original mix though, is the same song at the end of the day, but it’s very different sonically from the newer mix, so since they have 2 mixes on the table, some variety is always nice, especially if this is like a historical collection of hit songs from their discography. All i’m saying is it would be cool if they used that version on this upcoming release, only upsides i see and no downsides to it this time around

 

On 2/17/2024 at 7:20 PM, AceWav said:

Interesting...i was only guessing, but that's good to know. I can tell I am not the only one who agrees Andy made some questionable mixing decisions on Lost. Because i'm also listening from my home studio speakers and also headphones and the main thing that stuck out to me is that muddy boomy 808 beneath the bass guitar in the chorus, where those frequencies def clash in a not so clean way. Plus, Chester's vocals sometimes sounding a bit buried, but the guitars never bothered me, actually that's why it sounds like Meteora so it never stuck out as too loud to me personally. I grew up with Meteora as well, so we def understand what a 2000's LP era mix sounds like, but in my opinion, this one could have been better by Andy. Maybe he mixed this one last and as a engineer myself, I understand at some point ears get tired and fatigued, but if there's a deadline, we have to keep going. In the new mix, that 808 is still there but it's cleaned up and tucked in with low volume so it doesn't mess with the other low-end frequencies so we can tell it was addressed by Manny. 

 

I know That 808 you’re talking about and I agree. It’s a drum machine sound and it does sound like a bit of a car wreck, in combo with the guitar and bass but it’s meant to, to give a certain heaviness in the context of the song’s structure, that isn’t really acceptable by today’s mixing standards, but would be in 2003. The volume of that track is turned down in the newer mix.

 

You know what’s interesting is that Mike said, it wasn’t so much about Andy as it was the sounds they gave him to work with to work with. so the band was in the year 2002 where mixing standards are different, but also the song was being mixed for the first time. So I believe at least most songs that have been revisited and mixed again for a second time, the original version would start to show its flaws, especially if it’s a mix that’s 20 years older.

Edited February 19 by IWillWalkAway

[kiq fLP]

1 hour ago, JZLP-NaughtyNottingham said:

 

Carousel, and one and part of me appeared on the very last demo CD from February of 2000, they were part of the very last part of the process.

 

I guess that they had a real good chance to appear on the album.

Sorry for my music ignorance, but in the Jeff Blue book transcription, the "different" songs mentioned that drums were recorded were "And One", "Slip" and "Pictureboard". Due to those been in other level of development (live drums), wouldn't be those songs the discarded ones from HT?

[IWillWalkAway]

11 minutes ago, kiq fLP said:

Sorry for my music ignorance, but in the Jeff Blue book transcription, the "different" songs mentioned that drums were recorded were "And One", "Slip" and "Pictureboard". Due to those been in other level of development (live drums), wouldn't be those songs the discarded ones from HT?

No, not necessarily. I don’t think PB would’ve made it that far either. Also keep in mind High Voltage has been confirmed for a while now to be one so that means there’s only two other ones not three, i think.

Edited February 18 by IWillWalkAway

[GC377]

1 minute ago, IWillWalkAway said:

No, not necessarily. A lot of demos had live drums on them from the 1998-99 era. I don’t think PB would’ve made it that far either. Also keep in mind High Voltage has been confirmed for a while now to be one so that means there’s only two other ones not three, i think.

No, they're referring to what was recorded during the Hybrid Theory sessions, which they're correct about, according to Jeff those three had at least live drums recorded.

 

High Voltage didn't have live drums and as far as demos having live drums, the only demos that did have live drums to my knowledge were the Xero songs Esaul, Rhinestone, and Pictureboard (which Chester recorded over as well), Fiends, one version of the In The End demo that was excluded from HT20, and "Part of Me", "Carousel", and "And One" off of the Hybrid Theory EP.

[lpliveusername]

2 hours ago, IWillWalkAway said:

I agree on that they needed to do a little touch up. The original mix though, is the same song at the end of the day, but it’s very different sonically from the newer mix, so since they have 2 mixes on the table, some variety is always nice, especially if this is like a historical collection of hit songs from their discography. All i’m saying is it would be cool if they used that version on this upcoming release, only upsides i see and no downsides to it this time around

I disagree with this. There is a downside: this is a greatest hits / singles collection and the new mix was a single, the old mix wasn't. People listening to the song for the first time would have a different perception of it and people who are already familiar with the song would complain that it doesn't sound right.

 

51 minutes ago, kiq fLP said:

Sorry for my music ignorance, but in the Jeff Blue book transcription, the "different" songs mentioned that drums were recorded were "And One", "Slip" and "Pictureboard". Due to those been in other level of development (live drums), wouldn't be those songs the discarded ones from HT?

Yes. Unless they were considering a song without live drums for the album. However, a lot could have happened during that time. I know Jeff's book has the recording schedule for those songs, but does he at any point confirms they were actually recorded? I'm asking because I don't have the book. They could have simply decided to skip those songs because they were already settled on what would make the album. I feel that whatever song they had finished for Hybrid Theory would had been on Hybrid Theory 20th anniversary edition. It wouldn't make sense for them to omit finished songs in favor of rough demos.

 

For Meteora for instance, they said over and over again during promotion for the album that 15 songs were finished and 12 were picked for the album, and we got all 3 remaing songs last year on the 20th anniversary edition of Meteora.

[IWillWalkAway]

1 hour ago, lpliveusername said:

I disagree with this. There is a downside: this is a greatest hits / singles collection and the new mix was a single, the old mix wasn't. People listening to the song for the first time would have a different perception of it and people who are already familiar with the song would complain that it doesn't sound right.

Yea, I forgot to specify this but obviously they would of course have to publicly specify that it is exclusively the original mix of the song, not just slap the 2002 mix on the collection and call it a day.

 

My idea was I think because it’s their newest successful single, and Meteora 20 just happened, using the other version of it now, more publicly would be a cool addition and also for the sake of matching the other tracks that it sits in the same boat as historically, and this time to present how the song originally was back in the day, and also mix in a bit more of the classic early 2000’s vibes into the collection. The mixes of a lot of these songs are older anyways, so it wouldn’t be far off for anyone to care I don’t think.

 

Also I don’t think anyone who doesn’t know about the old mix would think “ew, this doesn’t sound right, I hate linkin park now”. They might realize it sounds a bit different, but in reality most people immersed in the collection probably wouldn’t care or even acknowledge it, and still be vibing with the song. Saying it doesn’t sound right is like saying the old mix sounds poor quality. No. This is a collection of songs dating back to 2000 up to 2017. Andy’s mix is as finished of a mix as Manny’s. Both are finished mixes of the same 3 minute 20 second length song, that might be different sonically but retaining identical structure. And most listeners would not be that harshly critical of the mix, just saying.

 

Really, I thought it’d be a cool addition for the close OG fans of the band, because it was my wrongful assumption the long time fans who knew the 2002 mix loved it, but I kinda learned today that’s not really true. It was just a personal idea…  I thought it was cool, but I know it’s not needed, but it would be a cool touch also just to give credit where credit is (somewhat) due to the original version.

Edited February 18 by IWillWalkAway

[LPLStaff]

3 hours ago, PartOfMe said:

Would it be crazy to think they could release "And One 2000 Demo"? I mean, this song has been long overdue for a release, and Jeff Blue has confirmed its existence 

 

Again I ask - did Jeff specifically confirm the exact And One live version has a studio recording? Or did he simply say they recorded And One during the Hybrid Theory sessions? Are we just assuming the live version was recorded?

 

23 minutes ago, lpliveusername said:

For Meteora for instance, say said over and over again during promotion for the album that 15 songs were finished and 12 were picked for the album, and we got all 3 remaing songs last year on the 20th anniversary edition of Meteora.

 

But Fighting Myself wasn't finished, even Mike said they abandoned it. But yes, they are for sure counting it in the 15 when they talk about 15 songs - Lost, Fighting Myself, and More the Victim. Healing Foot as far as we know had no final drums by Rob (unless they just didn't release it on Meteora 20) - why is it not even on the song board at NRG?

[c3bebuilder]

47 minutes ago, LPLStaff said:

 

Again I ask - did Jeff specifically confirm the exact And One live version has a studio recording? Or did he simply say they recorded And One during the Hybrid Theory sessions? Are we just assuming the live version was recorded?

 

 

But Fighting Myself wasn't finished, even Mike said they abandoned it. But yes, they are for sure counting it in the 15 when they talk about 15 songs - Lost, Fighting Myself, and More the Victim. Healing Foot as far as we know had no final drums by Rob (unless they just didn't release it on Meteora 20) - why is it not even on the song board at NRG?

Jeff Blue confirmed on Reddit that the live version did have a studio recording: https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/lhpg9p/comment/gmzogoh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

 

[IWillWalkAway]

1 hour ago, LPLStaff said:

Healing Foot as far as we know had no final drums by Rob (unless they just didn't release it on Meteora 20) - why is it not even on the song board at NRG?

Rob said they had initially 18 songs entering NRG and recording drums on, so it was probably A.06, Healing Foot and one other, I’d guess Massive, maybe even Soundtrack or something was in there if A.06 didn’t count as a song then, were the 3 that got taken out very early on (likely about just after or during recording drums) while the band was narrowing down, then to the decision of working on 15 full songs. Likely that particular red song board was first made when the band decided on 15.

 

Previously it was thought the blank space with only drums marked was HF, but no it’s probably Numb. No working title known, it probably didn’t even have one, and they said it came together quickly and effortlessly so they might just not have bothered to track the progress after finishing drums because of how fluently it came together afterward. Now I don’t know if it’s been revealed what the song on the blank space was, so if it has let me know

Edited February 18 by IWillWalkAway

[AceWav]

I have no clue why they cut healing foot. It's now one of my most favorite LP songs because it's somewhat reminiscent of in the end in the rap verses with how they mixed Mike's voice while his flow is so addictive and catchy, but then Chesters vocal melody and lyrics in the chorus sound so Meteora-esque and massive. That entire song also sounds so heavy while still remaining melodic and fragile to some degree, which is what they wanted to capture back then. Just the rob drum video we had for years was so repayable and stuck with us hardcore fans for so long, so when the full song released, it was like finally discovering a long-lost secret. 

Edited February 18 by AceWav

[Stranger]

Looks like there will be a battle for LP & Twenty One Pilots.

 

[linkindan]

6 minutes ago, Stranger said:

Looks like there will be a battle for LP & Twenty One Pilots.

 

I’ll prepare the Symphony

[JZLP-Benningstrong]

1 hour ago, AceWav said:

I have no clue why they cut healing foot. It's now one of my most favorite LP songs because it's somewhat reminiscent of in the end in the rap verses with how they mixed Mike's voice while his flow is so addictive and catchy, but then Chesters vocal melody and lyrics in the chorus sound so Meteora-esque and massive. That entire song also sounds so heavy while still remaining melodic and fragile to some degree, which is what they wanted to capture back then. Just the rob drum video we had for years was so repayable and stuck with us hardcore fans for so long, so when the full song released, it was like finally discovering a long-lost secret. 

 

The demo is pretty fucking repetitive If someone could shorten the song I could enjoy it.

 

The chorus is massive and the piano is one of the best melodies ever in LPs catalog 

[LPsMart]

Yoo, have I missed something?

I remember And One only getting drums recorded at NRG and never appearing again. That's at least what's in the book, and Jeff did write debatable stuff in his QnA.

Also wasn't the High Voltage remix made after the HT album sessions? Didn't Mike already confirm this year's ago?

The only song that I remember we don't 100% know what happened to, is Harmonic Song, which could refer to Crawling or PMA but also as well to another song, cause the title is super generic. 

 

Maybe I misremember stuff, please enlighten me!

[Trumtram]

14 minutes ago, LPsMart said:

The only song that I remember we don't 100% know what happened to, is Harmonic Song, which could refer to Crawling or PMA but also as well to another song, cause the title is super generic. 

 

Maybe I misremember stuff, please enlighten me!

Just going by the working title I'd say it's pretty safe to say that "Harmonic Song" is PMA because its verses are literally build upon flagelatte harmonics (same guitar technique as in ITE).

Edited February 18 by Trumtram

[lpliveusername]

1 hour ago, Trumtram said:

Just going by the working title I'd say it's pretty safe to say that "Harmonic Song" is PMA because its verses are literally build upon flagelatte harmonics (same guitar technique as in ITE).

Jeff Blue also told us it was Pushing Me Away.

 

1 hour ago, LPsMart said:

Also wasn't the High Voltage remix made after the HT album sessions? Didn't Mike already confirm this year's ago?

A lot of people have pointed out that the strings at the end of Cure For The Itch transits into High Voltage. Mike said it's because he used the same keyboard and sounds on those two songs and By Myself. Jeff Blue actually owns a CD that has all 3 songs and High Voltage comes right after Cure For The Itch in the tracklist, so I believe that was the new version of High Voltage. It would mean that this version of High Voltage was created in the same period as other Hybrid Theory demos, not after the album was finished.

[bloodbath]

53 minutes ago, lpliveusername said:

Jeff Blue also told us it was Pushing Me Away.

 

A lot of people have pointed out that the strings at the end of Cure For The Itch transits into High Voltage. Mike said it's because he used the same keyboard and sounds on those two songs and By Myself. Jeff Blue actually owns a CD that has all 3 songs and High Voltage comes right after Cure For The Itch in the tracklist, so I believe that was the new version of High Voltage. It would mean that this version of High Voltage was created in the same period as other Hybrid Theory demos, not after the album was finished.

I've always found Mike's answer quite... vague. "It's sound the same because I use the same keyboard". Well, you could use the same keyboard for a whole album and still don't "magically" create perfect transitions from the end of one song to the beginning of another.