Coizu Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) Well I guess Mike might have just mentioned a new holy grail? 😄 https://clips.twitch.tv/ResilientMagnificentElkAMPTropPunch Edited October 15, 2020 by Coizu Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-304017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Coizu said: Well I guess Mike might have just mentioned a new holy grail? 😄 https://clips.twitch.tv/ResilientMagnificentElkAMPTropPunch If I have the bucks, I might ask him what “Deaf Test” is. He mentioned it just now by name so at least he would know what I was referring to Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-304018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnitram Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I have already submitted a question about it 😁 Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-304020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZLP-Benningstrong Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 34 minutes ago, Coizu said: Well I guess Mike might have just mentioned a new holy grail? 😄 https://clips.twitch.tv/ResilientMagnificentElkAMPTropPunch I'm done calling Holy Grails to Xero songs or demos Most of the stuff is bad and it's worth listening only for historical reasons. A holy grail for me would be a song that is totally finished.. Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-304022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coizu Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, JZLP-AmendsUltimateFan said: Most of the stuff is bad and it's worth listening only for historical reasons. I agree with that sentence but for me personally a historic song gets a more "holy grail" status compared to any other random song that might be finished but I guess everyone sees that a little bit different. In general I think the concept of "holy grail" is not really worth it anyway. We get whatever we get, it makes no sense to seek for one specific thing in my opinion. Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-304023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaux Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) So Deaftest? here we go again, see you guys in 20 years. The weird thing is that he dropped the name of the track like it was include on the Forgotten Demos Cd or something lol Edited October 15, 2020 by Diaux Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-304025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorast Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Thinking that "holy grail" material is about quality is missing the point. It's about digging out pieces of LP history that we hear about, things we can latch onto the broaden our understanding of the band. IMO, it doesn't matter that Pictureboard isn't the greatest song of all time or even really all that great - it's all about the mystery, the intrigue of this lost track that was mysteriously played once, that they did with Mark. Sometimes it feels like people intentionally misconstrue what the goal is here. No one's out here saying "Mark is better than Chester," "Mark's vocals have value because he's good," or any dumb shit like that. Obviously Mark is nothing compared to Chester, but isn't it enticing to hear material from an extremely young band, back when they basically had no clue what they were doing? If you love a band so much, it's only natural to want to see the whole timeline. The fervor when it comes to Mark material, I think, is further amplified simply because it's different - because it's not Chester, it's this other guy who was there first, who moved on. The Xero tracks have seeds of what LP became, but a lot of them are so different, and it's extremely intriguing to me to get more and more of that material. It's exciting, you know? And then, it's thrilling to imagine a Stick N Move scenario, where a Mark song survived long enough to become a Chester song, and then you can compare them, hear the evolution in real time. That's what annoyed me so much about this bizarre anti-Mark crowd - it's not about Mark vs. Chester, it's about hearing this wildly different permutation of a band we all love. It's entirely about the history, and that's the whole point. Don't get it twisted. To pop back on topic, that 3-track pre-Xero tape sampler is the new grail IMO, if only to hear Deaftest and see what that one's about. Dialate and RME are probably the same as what we've already heard, but I want to see the artwork, if there is any. That feels like something that will never, ever come out secondhand, though. There might have always only been single or double digit copies of it in existence, and those are almost certainly all gone now. Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-304033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueSoul Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 18 hours ago, gorast said: Thinking that "holy grail" material is about quality is missing the point. It's about digging out pieces of LP history that we hear about, things we can latch onto the broaden our understanding of the band. IMO, it doesn't matter that Pictureboard isn't the greatest song of all time or even really all that great - it's all about the mystery, the intrigue of this lost track that was mysteriously played once, that they did with Mark. Sometimes it feels like people intentionally misconstrue what the goal is here. No one's out here saying "Mark is better than Chester," "Mark's vocals have value because he's good," or any dumb shit like that. Obviously Mark is nothing compared to Chester, but isn't it enticing to hear material from an extremely young band, back when they basically had no clue what they were doing? If you love a band so much, it's only natural to want to see the whole timeline. The fervor when it comes to Mark material, I think, is further amplified simply because it's different - because it's not Chester, it's this other guy who was there first, who moved on. The Xero tracks have seeds of what LP became, but a lot of them are so different, and it's extremely intriguing to me to get more and more of that material. It's exciting, you know? And then, it's thrilling to imagine a Stick N Move scenario, where a Mark song survived long enough to become a Chester song, and then you can compare them, hear the evolution in real time Huge post. It's been years since I've really sat down and listened to most of these demos, and of course hearing these new demos really put everything into perspective. Looking through the picture book was a really interesting experience; I am around the same age now as they were when they were forming Xero and recording these demos, and I have much the same aspirations as them. It was a very unique feeling looking and listening into the past. 2020 is my 20th anniversary too so at least for me, the intrinsic quality of the songs isn't as important as the history they hold. Stick N' Move does go kinda off tho Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-304059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJPLP Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 I know Mike would know what "Xero Reborn's" actual demo name is. We should ask him what the actual name of the demo is. Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-304858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptyHusk Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 29 minutes ago, NJPLP said: I know Mike would know what "Xero Reborn's" actual demo name is. We should ask him what the actual name of the demo is. It sounds very similar to the start of Could Have Been for me. This just says one of two things for me. 1.) It is an unknown Xero song 2.) If it is Could Have Been there is probably a version with Mark on vocals Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-304861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 It's not Could Have Been. I get why you say it sounds similar, and it kind of does stylistically, but it's a completely different melody. Based on how Phoenix does a slight variation and Mike says "Wow, you really do know the whole song", I would guess that he was playing the guitar part for the verses of whatever song this is. Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-304869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptyHusk Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 It very much sounds like the opening of Could Have Been to me lol but you do make sense on the variation Phoenix does. I guess we do need to ask Mike on stream for definitive answer. Chester said he remembers singing on it and Mike said it dates to '97 (though he sounds slightly uncertain in the above clip). So, if it is an unheard song from '97 then there might be two different versions of it. One with Chester on vocals and one with Mark. Or, as Mike said, it didn't get pass the demo stage. Mark may never of recorded on it then and they could of tried bringing back once Chester joined only to again scrap it. I'm in a tough situation where I can't actively watch Mike's streams so I hope someone gets to ask him about this. I have other questions I'd love to ask Mike but I guess I'll have to hold off a bit. A lot of people have already said what I want to see as the next "holy grail" but I'll throw in my two cents. I want some more unreleased material and demos from Meteora and Minutes to Midnight. I'm also curious about Ricochet and another song I saw on BMI titled I'm Not The One. That's something i never heard of before. Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-304870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpliveusername Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 38 minutes ago, TheVeryLastDinosaur said: A lot of people have already said what I want to see as the next "holy grail" but I'll throw in my two cents. I want some more unreleased material and demos from Meteora and Minutes to Midnight. I'm also curious about Ricochet and another song I saw on BMI titled I'm Not The One. That's something i never heard of before. https://lplive.net/forums/topic/11802-new-linkin-park-song-im-not-the-one/ Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-304872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptyHusk Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 43 minutes ago, lpliveusername said: https://lplive.net/forums/topic/11802-new-linkin-park-song-im-not-the-one/ Oh, thank you for clearing that up! I much appreciate. Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-304880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
X3RO Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I would love to see Mike release the pooch pound tape or even some relative degree tracks Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-304994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntensityJS Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 On 8/17/2020 at 6:58 PM, Zoom said: Yoo… Wesside? or possibly fanmade?… Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-315869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPLStaff Posted February 2, 2023 Author Share Posted February 2, 2023 11 hours ago, IntensityJS said: Yoo… Wesside? or possibly fanmade?… That's the band's 2004 show outro. Something Mike or Joe made. Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-315978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xeroboi Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Any hybrid theory show from 1999 Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-318617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodbath Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 59 minutes ago, xeroboi said: Any hybrid theory show from 1999 Absolutely, with live versions of Carousel and Part of Me Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-318622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiq fLP Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 And maybe recording of songs we don't have (Ashes and Turn to Gray). Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-318631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrider Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Studio version of And One played live. The 2000 version finished for Hybrid Theory. Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-318645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPLStaff Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 Pretty set on "holy grail" items personally now with all of the following being released: Pictureboard, She Couldn't (officially, in good quality), Stick N Move (LP), Rob's Drum Song (Healing Foot), Thoughts That Take Away My Pride (Lost), two completely unknown songs Fighting Myself and More The Victim... with more insanity coming on Meteora 20, and then all of the shows, but especially that My December and My Own Summer from 2002. Those are massive items for the community. All I'd really like to hear now after this is No Roads Left with Chester from MTM, and/or a No Roads Left rehearsal from Third Encore. That's really it. Anything else they give us is just great, like Friendly Fire, etc. Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-318649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awalkinthelinkinpark Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 It's not about going against Mark, they have similar tastes but it all comes down to consistency and vocal talent is just another way of saying being able to let out the repressed thought and emotions, obviously it's a natural born gift but it doesn't match up to emotion. And yes Mark doesn't have that. he sounds like a mid 90s philly alt-rock band vocalist. Next holy grail? Shit we'll just wait and see about lpu first. I'm more interested in the demo CD's Jeff blue had. Those look complete at least, we get deftest and it's gonna be forgotten (zing!) the very next day. I mean seriously, how briandead do you have to be when even the band themselves think they're trashy "Look here's the rapping part, here's the rock part" like I said, Jeff blue showcased those CDs and they more to offer to us. Since nu metal bands at the time had more mellow pop oriented tracks but scrapped in favor for the trends at the time. But I'll admit p o i n t I l l I s m Is very peculiar. Definitely interesting. Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-318678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZLP-Benningstrong Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 On 3/26/2023 at 12:40 PM, Hybrider said: Studio version of And One played live. The 2000 version finished for Hybrid Theory. No need for an official release, the song was just shortened. Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-318731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
unksoldier2000 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, JZ-GreyDaze said: No need for an official release, the song was just shortened. actually it needs, this was not just a short version from what it seems, but the final version from HT sessions. Quote Link to comment https://lplive.net/forums/topic/14315-whats-after-pictureboard-discussing-linkin-parks-holy-grail-cuts/page/5/#findComment-318732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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