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essentially, mini-albums and more frequent (but shorter) tours. it'd be cool to have the release process sped up - less of a LP-style wait but it would depend on how short the EPs/tours would be, value for money and all...

i haven't heard the track yet, but I'm not too bothered by that anyway. the game still lags - you have to minimise/maximise the gameplay window at the end of each round, sometimes your attacks aren't registered etc.) also some of the grammar spelling is horrendous, but thats forgivable. gameplay is much easier than beta - the 'how to' in beta was way too wordy and made the game difficult to get into, it's also nice that you have each power available from the off now, and not unlocked as you failed to understand the 'how to' enjoying the daily tournament actually, trade a few crystals for increased power and it's a good laugh. I like seeing how many hybrids I can have set on me and fight them off

dang. will check on pre-orders day. $100 = £62 which is already a tad pricey for me

agreeing with all the "dat cover art" happening. what do we estimate this will cost. I'm worried we're looking at $100+ here ...

I guess it's nice to have a physical copy. I didn't do the LT Remix pre-order thing, so I only have crappy youtube rips of those tracks, even if these are older releases, it's at least an upgrade even that globe thing doesn't really bother me, it's the kind of thing that'd entertain me for 10 minutes, but would then just sit gathering dust...

in all honesty, I'd only be buying the ltd ed version for the art book. can bet it'll be ridiculously expensive though...

yes. so this. you (as a band/artist) put your name on a flyer, a shirt, a poster, you press a CD, a vinyl, (god forbid) a casette tape, and then as soon as you accept money for these items - and you have to, because you paid for these things to be made for you - you are technically a "sell out" or "commercialised" because you are marketing yourself. it is clear that even after all that time figuring out how life works and how art is so deep and meaningful, there are a ton of people that haven't grasped that it's called an industry for a reason, or that capitalism is kind of how the modern world functions. bands employ people to promote them, to move them around the country, light stages and tune their guitars - bands sign a contract in which an exchange of money is the central theme. sorry hipsters. yes, there are times where bands go overboard - Kiss Pinball machines!? - but no band is ever truly about music alone. I find it so weird that tons of people don't grasp this or, like you say Skipees, choose to see it in a totally selective, biased way, it's fascinating adding, I mean that I agree with you that bands must feel like they have to be the next X or Y just to get a good spot, when in reality, the best thing they could do to be noticed is to say "fuck that, we're Z!!" look at BMFV and A7X - last I heard Bullet, they were just saying "ri-ot" alot over 2 notes, and the last I heard Avenged they had become so cheesy they had a problem with mice - I have not heard Hail To the King yet (so I reserve the right for these statements to be revoked) but all the "yeah-eh's" and "woah-oh's" are painful. I've grown pretty tired of both of them as they appear to have tried to hard to grow into, respectively, Metallica and Iron Maiden's shoes. but yet, they are probably the most likely two bands, both national and international who will become the new bunch of big headline acts, and that fills me with dread for the next installment of bands on the "yearly rota", which is currently - Download 2009 - Slipknot, Faith No More, Def Leppard (nostalgia, big american metal band) sonisphere 2009 - Linkin Park, Metallica (big american metal bands/nostalgia?) Doenload 2010 - AC/DC, Rage Against The Machine, Aerosmith (nostalgia) sonsiphere 2010 - Alice Cooper, Rammstein, Iron Maiden (cult bands, nostalgia) Download 2011 - Linkin Park, System Of A Down, Def Leppard (big american metal bands/nostalgia?) Sonisphere 2011 - Metallica, Slipknot, Biffy Clyro (big american metal bands, heavily criticized curveball) Download 2012 - Metallica, Black Sabbath, The Prodigy (big american metal bands, ultimate nostalgia, curveball) Download 2013 - Rammstein Iron Maiden, Slipknot (cult band, nostalgia, big american metal band) ^this is a bit reductive since that's headline only, and many of these bands couldn't sub- anyone else, but you see my point... sure it's nice to go and see a big band you know and love, but it's a bit of a safe (stale) bunch that rotates every couple of years, and once these acts finish, it'll be the next bunch fresh out of the cookie cutter. joy.

in this^ vein, it totally doesn't help that festivals (uk ones at least) always seem to have the same nostalgia acts as big headliners, where's the new blood? the lack of exposure for makes smaller bands force themselves into pigeon-holes just so they can climb the line-up, and how is that exciting!? mine is Down, Circa Survive, Smashing Pumpkins, Four Year Strong, Jane's Addiction, Pulled Apart By Horses, and The Cure. PABH and FYS are the only ones I'm likely to see with ease since they're not one of those big "we'll do a few dates here and there"/nostalgia acts but I'll get there... I seem to recall some magazine (the name evades me) did feature where they brought in a bunch of members from old-school metal bands, Def Leppard etc. and played them There Is A Hell... they didn't really know BMTH, but they had tons of praise for it, it goes to show that listening without prejudice makes your experience so much more impartial and open, enjoyable even! people needn't be afraid of modern music, and its sad that so many in the rock/metal community act like you have to hate anything that isn't Ride The Lightning (confession: I prefer the Black Album) yes, yes, and yes. I used to read Kerrang a fair bit, I still buy it occasionally, and I remember thinking that Rolo Tomassi must have just stopped making music or gone on haitus or something since I'd not heard anything about them from K! in years, flash forwards to 2013 and they were pulling massive crowds at the festivals I was attending - they must have been deemed to be irrelevant for K! readers and simply dropped off the list of "bands to shove down people's throats". it surprised me how powerful, how vital a magazine is in determining who becomes noticed or not. If magazines, and the readership in general fail to adapt to modern (different!!) music, the scene stagnates. simple as. rock and metal is so against change, but it must happen whether it likes it or not... noted. I saw pictures, figured that was enough. I don't fancy ceremonially cleansing my laptop with fire - it did cost me a few pennies.

nailed it - it's so shallow. people dislike bands for an image or for playing upon different styles of music, and that's so pointless. people hated BMTH for their 'emo' look - the fringes, the tons of tattoos etc. but they have gone on to release some of the finest albums modern metal has to offer (post-Suicide Season, in my opinion). but then again there are also people who will like bands purely for an image, yes we all have a rebellious teen stage where we want to appear intimidating or shocking, but it gets to a point where bands simply use the image as a go-to thing, just because it inspires other people to spread their name by criticism alone, thus gaining publicity* it's not wrong to have an image, in fact, it's almost a requirement to set yourself out with an original identity - it's your calling card. But let's face it, if your sound is nothing different to the last band that used heavy make-up, an all-seeing-eye logo, or a varsity font, why the hell are you famous? bashing a band's image has no real meaning other than "they're different from me, and I'm not into that" - which is really nothing to do with the sound or the meaning. it's ok to not like something, but you can't really call into question someone's sexuality every time you come across them (which is all too often in metal, another of my issues with the scene). I make no secret of the fact that I dislike Black Veil Brides, but I'm at least basing my opinion on having listened to their record a fair bit, and then being thoroughly disappointed with their live effort. I dislike them, but I'm so over being that person who jumps up an down about it to their fans - it's a waste of time. Rock/Metal is so stuck in its ways, and so ardently vocal as to what's "right" for a rock band that it'll never move forwards, its fans prevent it from happening, and the bands cater to that. * further reading outside of Rock/Metal: Miley Cyrus. I have not seen/heard that VMA performance, but I don't want to give her - and the manager that told her to do whatever it is that she did - the satisfaction of another view on the youtube account...

I agreed with alot of what Mike said here. Rock music and its fans (in particular the Metal scene) is so focused on arguing over what's heavier, harder and faster while sacrificing meaning or passion. I am so bored of hearing songs that are made purely for the purpose of a pit, sure it's fun live, but there's no art to that - it's not hard to get people to fling themselves at each other... rock/metal is way too focused on determining who is part of their special little club and it's just sad - it's far too busy fighting itself in some weird, self-conscious brawl, when it could be making something genuinely exciting to listen to. my list of gigs is really starting to reflect my impression of the rock/metal scene as "tedious" - I still love all these old bands from my youth (I am still on my mission to see Down live), but I'm bored of hearing the same old copy of a copy of copy of a copy bands. Download 2013 made me realise how much I'd grown apart from the metal/rock scene. These days, I go to alternative/independant festivals - off-kilter time signature, math-rock, beardy stuff - I barely know any of the bands, and yes, sometimes it is all a bit too much for my little head, but I'm at least an engaged listener. I'd far rather hear a baffling brain-fuck than some paint-by-numbers effort.

bucket-loads. every time.

is it not cheaper for members? surely if you're going to pay ~$80 for a shirt, you'd at least pay ~$60 for all the other stuff, pre-sales, early entry, etc.

can we clarify the sharing rules with regards to iTunes fest 2011? both the audio and video were broadcasted over iTunes (free software), but there are officially released tracks from this source on the iTunes EP, which we obviously can't share ($$$!) does the 'no-sharing' restriction on the iTunes EP therefore also extend to the full pro-shot, both audio and video?

we always seem to get complaints when newswire covers JK yet we run that anyway, so with Chester being in STP, it's a much more legit reason to be in the newswire than JK does. I'm not moaning about JK (because I like them) but it's clear that this shouldn't be an issue. I am a tad interested in STP, I actually got introduced to them via LP - Chester talks about them so much I figured I'd better check them out, same way i got listening to Jane's Addiction - I really like Plush as a track, but I've not heard much else, not even the chester stuff

an STP forum bitching about chester, is no different to and LP forum bitching about an STP forum.

'sup? yo

this kind of crap happens all the time in the music industry - "I have less publicity, I need some, I'll be a ****". nothing new, but it's utterly childish. the best "fuck you" Scott has right now is being in the more successful, respected band, oh wait, oops. must be hard for chester to see one of his childhood heroes incite this kind of bullshit.

and I'm sure Chester doesn't want the STP fans to think he's attempting to take over. Also, I'm sure he would far rather perform songs he loved growing up, with the band that played them in the first place! fulfilling a dream with STP, not working the LP day-job like you said - massive, massive "EVEN IF"

Chester's synth part on W&K.

and you wouldn't have noticed if the band hadn't mentioned it... no offence to all the work that went into that, but the extra string parts were barely audible

so what do I win? I'm kidding, the first five songs choices make an amazing run altogether, and I'm glad BID is moved up so it's not quite so 'important' in the set, that song has always bugged me. no encore is interesting, but still. a tidy set, and at least part of RME finally got played on US soil and now it's the uk's turn I am very jealous of everyone who got to be there

HA! yeah, despite the big "13" in the title

haha, yes, I do that alot thanks guys, this has been interesting. odd that everything taped for HT was unreleased (until now..) and that only HT seemed to have any live bits planned for a video. forgot Given Up