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I recently got a copy of "Animatronic" I noticed that there was the grand sum of no info on this CD out there at all. show identification, audio and scans download here -> http://lplive.net/forum/index.php?showtopi...mp;#entry188711

http://lplive.net/shows/20010603.php is it worth mentioning that Joe played the "I knew I was being threatened..." sample from IGD before OSC at this show? or was this pretty common around that time?

I don't consider a live DVD to be good on the basis of bonuses. RTR's "extra" parts of the set at the end is just annoying, why not put the whole show as one continuous video? same goes for the CD, I understand space constraints on a disc, but... yeah, having to buy the DSP so you can have the whole show is pretty shoddy.

I would love to be in the office that gets handed a pigeon from us lot. I do think that pre-2007 DSPs are something we seem to "know" won't be released, at least we can communicate with the owner of the Ostrick Tapes. i would far rather see money raised to something that we actually know will be handed over if we raise the $$

we do know this source exists - http://lplive.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=9741 but I'm not sure when Mike began playing guitar on OSC.

I'd support it, but (I'm sure this goes without saying) yes, you'd need to make sure that the owner of the tape wasn't just bluffing - you can't raise $25k(+?) if that person was just giving a high price as a way of saying no. you'd also have to make sure that you were clear on what exactly you were paying for - the full un-edited tapes of both a rehearsal and a HT-era show would be off-the-chain awesome to get hold of, but is that even on offer, is that what the original price was for? I was so excited when I first came across those snippets of LP in their early days, and I would love to see a full copy, but if the taper's already asked for a shed-load of money, we'd better be damned clear as to what we'd be paying for...

it would at least prove that we are more up to date than the people who steal our info for setlists.com

fair enough, I hadn't realised this was Audio AND video

not that I want this to happen, but I wonder what the band/management's policy on all this material (that they own) would be if the band were to break up? or failing that, if the band went independent? (although I doubt that will happen)

haha yeah, that's why I put the first sentence

my short answer would be "yes". my longer answer is "no". the term B-side typically refers to the track on the other ("B") side of a vinyl single (for example, High Voltage and My December on the OSC single). these could either be tracks that the band wouldn't be good as single, but might give a flavour of the rest of the album to encourage you to buy that afterwards (maybe they'd use By Myself or Forgotten?) or tracks that didn't make it onto the album (High Voltage & My December). I would call these tracks "traditional" B-Sides since they were released in a way that concurs with the standard definition of the term. the problem with using the term now, is that both vinyls and the single are not the dominant means of distributing music and the game has changed. No Roads Left was not released on a single as a b-side, but it was released on a special edition of the album. it does not stick to the old "rules" of the b-side (a finished track released on a single to encourage casual fans to buy the album), the gesture is still there, but it is being used differently (a finished track released to encourage hardcore fans to buy the special edition). Blackbirds too falls in this category - completing the game purely for a new track, would only happen if you were more than just a casual fan. Blackbirds, No Roads Left are b-sides, but they demonstrate the changes to the marketing methods used by the industry. while they're not b-sides in a traditional sense, they're still released to make a bit of money! obviously, the LPU system is arguably part of the above - it's a means to get hardcore fans to pay for extra material. and from Astat's description, the tracks you list could be considered "b-sides", since all these songs were dropped from the final processes of the album. however, there are problems with considering LPU-released material to be b-sides as "finished" tracks, purely by the nature of what the LPU CDs are offering. LPU is meant to offer the hardcore fans an small insight into the band's writing and recording process, and while some of things like Across The Line, What We Don't Know, I Have Not Begun, Blue, Slip, So Far Away (Pretend To Be - this wasn't LPU was it?) may sound finished to us, it is impossible for us to tell if those exact versions would have been used on the album if selected - the song structure, the lyrics, a guitar part, a sample here and there - could all have been changed, and the track would be re-recorded, and thus these would be demos. because these songs were dropped from any public release they can't be called b-sides because we simply don't know if they are finished! the only exception I would have to this are the tracks that were not re-worked after their release on the HT E.P. reissue - these songs were all clearly in a "finished" state as they were already released as an older EP, but they are not b-sides to anything else because again, they had already been released in their own right. things like SuperXero, Untitled (etc.) became demos when the band revisited them. if you consider the LPU to be something that's not for public release and ... well ... underground, you could safely call any tracks released via this system "demos". but then again, anyone can buy into the LPU, and these tracks are an incentive to hardcore fans to pay for additional content (Like the "modern-style" b-sides described above). this gets even more complicated if we start to ask why the band released 'Songs From The Underground' and 'A Decade Underground', since these EPs promote the LPU itself, not any actual album (let's not go down this path of discussion...) as Astat said, the grey are here is ridiculously murky (this has been difficult to write clearly!). i just thought this would be something interesting to bear in mind - those tracks that seem "finished" are finished to us (and therefore B-sides to the respective album) but we can't really pass judgement on their status as demo or b-side since we don't know what additional work might have gone into a track if it was to be put on a publicly released, studio album. personally, I don't call any of these tracks B-sides, because I consider to them to be songs from an album's "era". but hell, if you want to call them b-sides, who the hell is going to stop you!?

this is probably the only problem with having threads like this - people will catch wind that this stuff is highly sought after

JK and SOB do have more significance to this site than "other bands" though...

shouldn't this be in "Audio" not "Other"? Live Audio Downloads & Requests audio downloads and requests may be posted in here. Other Live Downloads & Requests downloads and requests ... that don't fit into the categories above, such as live photos, artwork and so on.

I would have the Ostrick rehearsal footage over the mythical Pictureboard. I went there...

The Viper Room's Facebook page has just announced that Julien-K will play there on April 27th, supported by Battle Tapes, IAmDynamite and The Virginmarys. ticket are onsale now at http://viperroom.com/?page_id=9307 Ryan will be celebrating his 40th Birthday at the show too!

And One was the first new song the band wrote after Chester joined the band source: Mike @ Rock am Ring '01

yes, like I said - could be the biggest pile of crap in the history of crap. but that doesn't stop it being one of these "grails" *ironic religion joke*

pro-shot audio of LGM from that last show. but still no DSPs... *ahem* anyway! pretty cool that you guys all spotted yourselves, and Pheonix should do that dance onstage...

any pre-Orlando '00 show pictureboard (live or studio) - could be the biggest load of rubbish ever but it's got to be in this list! pro-shots (Video/Audio) from '02, '03 and PR'04 and personally, UK Sonisphere '09 - full proshot / full DSP UKUndercurrent released Crawl Back In, and I watched the Channel 4 Broadcast with ITE and SIB, so there must be a full proshot in both Audio and Video somewhere dammit!

are they not mentioned in the recording we have? from a quick google search of the phrase "projekt revolution 2002 Dj battle", all I can find is - http://www.skamartist.com/djturbulence Tim "DJ Turbulence" Alejandro "won the Stacks Records DJ Battle which gave him the opportunity to open up in front of a 18,000 sold out crowd at The Projekt Revolution Tour for grammy award winning artists Linkin Park" - the site doesn't say who he competed against. side note: they only mention that he qualified, so he probably didn't win the PR comp... http://www.trooperz.com/battle_stats.htm DJ Quixotic Projekt Revolution LA Regional @ Stacks (Jan 02) - 3rd Place Projekt Revolution San Diego Regional (Jan 02) - 3rd Place (I assume this means he didn't play the DJ battles on the tour though...) but in any case, what happened to the competition winner? http://www.hiphopslam.com/news/2001-02/scr...ck_news_02.html "Winners receive Vestax gear, and the chance to play with Linkin Park and Korn in Mexico City" (underline added) there is no DJ listed on the show-page, just Korn and Static-X. sooo... did nothing come out of this competition at all?

this would be perfect - an album in full, and the crowd-pleasers afterwards. I know MCR did a similar thing when touring with The Black Parade. get the whole album and some old favourites. my vote has balanced the MTM/ATS battle, interesting that so many of you picked MTM, I wouldn't have it down as a good one to play all the way through, personally. but then again, this is LP we're talking about, none of this will ever happen EDIT: woah, I hit 3000 :/

also, why would the LPU be offering tickets to the event if Chester wasn't intending/booked to perform? this is very likely.

you are unlikely to get the design exactly as Chester has it. any copy from a photo will always be the tattoo artist's impression of the original (unless of course, you were to find the design transfer that Chester's original artist used )

yeah, like I said, some people will be buying purely for the resale value. it's lame that an event designed to encourage people to support local stores would inadvertently cause problems for people who intend to treasure the item, but that's life I guess.