Coizu Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 1 hour ago, IWillWalkAway said: To be fair like HT20 was a first for the band, but look at the second time they did it with Meteora20, that was a quality step up. This is a first too, being the first time they’re doing an inter-album collection like this. Not saying it is an excuse to any fuck ups though, at all. If they genuinely made mistakes, they’ll learn to improve from them and not do it again. Believe it or not even the most sophisticated professionals still can mess shit up in their most skilled areas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Warner_Records_compilation_albums It's not like the 5 guys from the band do this stuff on their own and I don't think anyone complaining about this (and the HT20 situation back then) are specifically mad at Mike, Rob, Brad, Joe and Dave. They have one of the biggest labels behind them that should have more than enough resources and experience to get this kind of stuff right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPLStaff Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 2 hours ago, Coizu said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Warner_Records_compilation_albums It's not like the 5 guys from the band do this stuff on their own and I don't think anyone complaining about this (and the HT20 situation back then) are specifically mad at Mike, Rob, Brad, Joe and Dave. They have one of the biggest labels behind them that should have more than enough resources and experience to get this kind of stuff right. Yeah. This has zero to do with the band and is a label issue. The more removed we get from LP's peak of their career, the more errors that pop up on releases. They learned with HT20 because Meteora 20 was quite well done in my opinion, but this Papercuts is again another mess. At the very minimum they need to fix the versions on streaming/digital to match the physical (even if the physical versions are also wrong....). How can anyone at the label listen to this and not notice the Faint intro is cut, things like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodbath Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 12 hours ago, LPLStaff said: Yeah. This has zero to do with the band and is a label issue. The more removed we get from LP's peak of their career, the more errors that pop up on releases. They learned with HT20 because Meteora 20 was quite well done in my opinion, but this Papercuts is again another mess. At the very minimum they need to fix the versions on streaming/digital to match the physical (even if the physical versions are also wrong....). How can anyone at the label listen to this and not notice the Faint intro is cut, things like this? Because only us care about this. And we're a small minority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RYG4R Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 I think only streaming and digital versions are the only ones using the album versions. However, CDs and LPs are new altered cut of the album versions without the transitions in order to segue to the next track smoothly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWillWalkAway Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) 20 hours ago, Coizu said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Warner_Records_compilation_albums It's not like the 5 guys from the band do this stuff on their own and I don't think anyone complaining about this (and the HT20 situation back then) are specifically mad at Mike, Rob, Brad, Joe and Dave. They have one of the biggest labels behind them that should have more than enough resources and experience to get this kind of stuff right. Not my point. Im well aware of Warner. I meant the label too. They can still fuck up and they do. They without a doubt have enough resources, but still somehow miss really important details like this. Believe it or not even the major labels still have a lot to learn or even re-learn to get things right sometimes! Same things happen with companies, even congress, any group of people working in major fields. People individually or with 300 others, can and do make stupid mistakes. A label isn’t a run by a label, it’s run by people. Again, im not defending the label or their actions. I think they should’ve done better and yeah it’s a little disappointing. Edited April 15 by IWillWalkAway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPLStaff Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 The problem is these people didn't work with the band X amount of years ago so they have no idea what the right versions of the songs are. This explains how No Roads Left, Across the Line, and Shadow of the Day were messed up so badly that they not only were issued digitally incorrectly for many years, but ALSO on the picture vinyl for Minutes to Midnight - a true tragedy. Also the Walmart yellow vinyl has the wrong song versions. The Shadow of the Day situation with that is still "unresolved"... if there is really a new guitar part on it as Astat claims, then *where* is the OG master of that song? The process to produce something like this is probably so extensive that the LP team (and band even if they wanted to) are unable to even get their hands on exactly what the label is using because the label controls all the distribution and owns/has the masters. Unless Mike is emailing them the files himself (not happening for a greatest hits, but there is a chain of process where eventually something from Mike would make it onto a box set with demos, sure - not Papercuts though) then they are liable to fuck this up. What makes no sense is - is the label's organization and labeling of all these song versions THAT bad that they keep having this happen? And how do you even have different versions for digital versus physical of the same release? It's sloppy. The attention to detail isn't there from Warner because they aren't hardcore LP fans and aren't looking at 0.5 second, 1 second, 2 second differences or vocal effects, or *whatever* (synths, drum beats) in the song versions... only people like us will catch that. It just is confusing how they don't have it simply labeled as "Minutes to Midnight (24 bit masters)" and then there are the 14 or whatever files. How do you find something like "Waiting for the End (Different CB Acapella Vocal Treatment)" or whatever? lol. The HT20 shortened songs error made it all the way through the entire process, along with DVDs that were misprinted/mislabeled, without anyone catching it until the public had it in their hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWillWalkAway Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) 8 hours ago, LPLStaff said: The attention to detail isn't there from Warner because they aren't hardcore LP fans and aren't looking at 0.5 second, 1 second, 2 second differences or vocal effects, or *whatever* (synths, drum beats) in the song versions... only people like us will catch that. It just is confusing how they don't have it simply labeled as "Minutes to Midnight (24 bit masters)" and then there are the 14 or whatever files. How do you find something like "Waiting for the End (Different CB Acapella Vocal Treatment)" or whatever? lol. The HT20 shortened songs error made it all the way through the entire process, along with DVDs that were misprinted/mislabeled, without anyone catching it until the public had it in their hands. This is true. And it’s also mostly they kind of put together the package without really paying attention to certain things that matter within any album. With the transitions issue, still this collection is an album on streaming. It will be played start to finish and should connect the songs together well and they just didn’t treat it that way. Edited April 15 by IWillWalkAway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftshoe18 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Does this stuff happen for other bands too? I swear Linkin Park is the only band I closely follow that has these kinds of mistakes continually pop up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpliveusername Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 56 minutes ago, leftshoe18 said: Does this stuff happen for other bands too? I swear Linkin Park is the only band I closely follow that has these kinds of mistakes continually pop up. I remember @Astat saying that Avenged Sevenfold had something similar to the Shadow Of The Day situation happen to one of their songs on Rock Band or a similar game. One of the guitar tracks simply disappeared from the song's project. Stone Temple Pilots had a previously unreleased extended version of Press Play randomly pop up on a vinyl re-issue of Tiny Music. The company who did the vinyl said that was the version in the master that they received. Julien-K released an instrumental version of Death To Analog and later realized that the instrumental version of Dystopian Girl was never mixed, so they had to mix the instrumental from scratch to replace it. The Mer de Noms vinyl by A Perfect Circle had extended versions of Sleeping Beauty and Over when compared to the ones in the CD. Thirty Seconds To Mars had different versions of One Track Mind released on America. Some fans randomly received the album with a shortened version of the song without A$AP Rocky's vocals. The We Made It single by Busta Rhymes with Linkin Park (technically not a Warner release) had a dirty acapella version released in Europe mislabeled as clean version. The dirty acapella wasn't meant to be released anywhere. That's the ones I can think from the top of my head. I'm sure there are other examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodbath Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, lpliveusername said: I remember @Astat saying that Avenged Sevenfold had something similar to the Shadow Of The Day situation happen to one of their songs on Rock Band or a similar game. One of the guitar tracks simply disappeared from the song's project. Stone Temple Pilots had a previously unreleased extended version of Press Play randomly pop up on a vinyl re-issue of Tiny Music. The company who did the vinyl said that was the version in the master that they received. Julien-K released an instrumental version of Death To Analog and later realized that the instrumental version of Dystopian Girl was never mixed, so they had to mix the instrumental from scratch to replace it. The Mer de Noms vinyl by A Perfect Circle had extended versions of Sleeping Beauty and Over when compared to the ones in the CD. Thirty Seconds To Mars had different versions of One Track Mind released on America. Some fans randomly received the album with a shortened version of the song without A$AP Rocky's vocals. The We Made It single by Busta Rhymes with Linkin Park (technically not a Warner release) had a dirty acapella version released in Europe mislabeled as clean version. The dirty acapella wasn't meant to be released anywhere. That's the ones I can think from the top of my head. I'm sure there are other examples. Evanescence had a mislabeled track on their Fallen 20. Not to mention that there were b sides missing. Unless the band has their hands really on this, this kind of things are very usual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyFox-AFCA Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) I know that the new BLINK182 album was full of mistakes in the lyrics. I know that this is/was a thing on the digital versions, but i don't know for sure if it was also the case with the physical releases. Edit : I see a lot of people who orderd their "Jar Of Flies" 30th aniversary boxset reporting that there's at least some misprinted lyrics. So yeah, it's not only LP where it's happening with lol. Edited April 17 by GreyFox-AFCA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasputin 93 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 On 4/16/2024 at 1:57 AM, leftshoe18 said: Does this stuff happen for other bands too? I swear Linkin Park is the only band I closely follow that has these kinds of mistakes continually pop up. Pretty common actually, it just depends on how organized a band's management is that passes the masters to the label. Here are some examples for Rammstein: https://rammwiki.net/wiki/XXI_(compilation)#Differences Or check the "Versions" chapter on the song pages, this gets crazy at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somebodyangry Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 To be honest I am glad I did not purchase a special pricey edition of this release, considering the issues present many of you are talking about. I am super happy this release got us FF, one of my fav LP b-sides to date, and QWERTY on Spotify. As for the rest, I hope the release spreads LP fame among the casuals and potential young new fans. As many here said, this release is not exactly for us diehard fans but for someone who would go “oh wow, this 2006 song called QWERTY wasn’t on any album and it’s so heavy” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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