Friendly Fire / Papercuts (Singles Collection 2000-2023)

[IWillWalkAway]

14 hours ago, bloodbath said:

Like HT20, no quality control whatsoever 

To be fair like HT20 was a first for the band, but look at the second time they did it with Meteora20, that was a quality step up. This is a first too, being the first time they’re doing an inter-album collection like this. Not saying it is an excuse to any fuck ups though, at all. If they genuinely made mistakes, they’ll learn to improve from them and not do it again. Believe it or not even the most sophisticated professionals still can mess shit up in their most skilled areas.

[Soeffingnaive92]

It’s so jarring and weird to have the album versions on Spotify, like, I can go past the 1 second of Blackout at the end of WFTE, but having the walkout noises and Chester talking at the end of LOATR and then there’s no BIO right after but another song (Lost or Numb, don’t remember the tracks order) is ehhhh 

[Coizu]

1 hour ago, IWillWalkAway said:

To be fair like HT20 was a first for the band, but look at the second time they did it with Meteora20, that was a quality step up. This is a first too, being the first time they’re doing an inter-album collection like this. Not saying it is an excuse to any fuck ups though, at all. If they genuinely made mistakes, they’ll learn to improve from them and not do it again. Believe it or not even the most sophisticated professionals still can mess shit up in their most skilled areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Warner_Records_compilation_albums

 

It's not like the 5 guys from the band do this stuff on their own and I don't think anyone complaining about this (and the HT20 situation back then) are specifically mad at Mike, Rob, Brad, Joe and Dave.

They have one of the biggest labels behind them that should have more than enough resources and experience to get this kind of stuff right.

[LPLStaff]

2 hours ago, Coizu said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Warner_Records_compilation_albums

 

It's not like the 5 guys from the band do this stuff on their own and I don't think anyone complaining about this (and the HT20 situation back then) are specifically mad at Mike, Rob, Brad, Joe and Dave.

They have one of the biggest labels behind them that should have more than enough resources and experience to get this kind of stuff right.

 

Yeah. This has zero to do with the band and is a label issue. The more removed we get from LP's peak of their career, the more errors that pop up on releases. They learned with HT20 because Meteora 20 was quite well done in my opinion, but this Papercuts is again another mess. At the very minimum they need to fix the versions on streaming/digital to match the physical (even if the physical versions are also wrong....).

 

How can anyone at the label listen to this and not notice the Faint intro is cut, things like this?

[bloodbath]

12 hours ago, LPLStaff said:

 

Yeah. This has zero to do with the band and is a label issue. The more removed we get from LP's peak of their career, the more errors that pop up on releases. They learned with HT20 because Meteora 20 was quite well done in my opinion, but this Papercuts is again another mess. At the very minimum they need to fix the versions on streaming/digital to match the physical (even if the physical versions are also wrong....).

 

How can anyone at the label listen to this and not notice the Faint intro is cut, things like this?

Because only us care about this. And we're a small minority

[RYG4R]

I think only streaming and digital versions are the only ones using the album versions. However, CDs and LPs are new altered cut of the album versions without the transitions in order to segue to the next track smoothly. 

[IWillWalkAway]

20 hours ago, Coizu said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Warner_Records_compilation_albums

 

It's not like the 5 guys from the band do this stuff on their own and I don't think anyone complaining about this (and the HT20 situation back then) are specifically mad at Mike, Rob, Brad, Joe and Dave.

They have one of the biggest labels behind them that should have more than enough resources and experience to get this kind of stuff right.

Not my point. Im well aware of Warner. I meant the label too. They can still fuck up and they do. They without a doubt have enough resources, but still somehow miss really important details like this. Believe it or not even the major labels still have a lot to learn or even re-learn to get things right sometimes! Same things happen with companies, even congress, any group of people working in major fields. People individually or with 300 others, can and do make stupid mistakes. A label isn’t a run by a label, it’s run by people.
 

Again, im not defending the label or their actions. I think they should’ve done better and yeah it’s a little disappointing.

Edited April 15 by IWillWalkAway

[LPLStaff]

The problem is these people didn't work with the band X amount of years ago so they have no idea what the right versions of the songs are. This explains how No Roads Left, Across the Line, and Shadow of the Day were messed up so badly that they not only were issued digitally incorrectly for many years, but ALSO on the picture vinyl for Minutes to Midnight - a true tragedy. Also the Walmart yellow vinyl has the wrong song versions. The Shadow of the Day situation with that is still "unresolved"... if there is really a new guitar part on it as Astat claims, then *where* is the OG master of that song?

 

The process to produce something like this is probably so extensive that the LP team (and band even if they wanted to) are unable to even get their hands on exactly what the label is using because the label controls all the distribution and owns/has the masters. Unless Mike is emailing them the files himself (not happening for a greatest hits, but there is a chain of process where eventually something from Mike would make it onto a box set with demos, sure - not Papercuts though) then they are liable to fuck this up. What makes no sense is - is the label's organization and labeling of all these song versions THAT bad that they keep having this happen?

And how do you even have different versions for digital versus physical of the same release? It's sloppy.

 

The attention to detail isn't there from Warner because they aren't hardcore LP fans and aren't looking at 0.5 second, 1 second, 2 second differences or vocal effects, or *whatever* (synths, drum beats) in the song versions... only people like us will catch that. It just is confusing how they don't have it simply labeled as "Minutes to Midnight (24 bit masters)" and then there are the 14 or whatever files. How do you find something like "Waiting for the End (Different CB Acapella Vocal Treatment)" or whatever? lol. The HT20 shortened songs error made it all the way through the entire process, along with DVDs that were misprinted/mislabeled, without anyone catching it until the public had it in their hands. 

[IWillWalkAway]

8 hours ago, LPLStaff said:

The attention to detail isn't there from Warner because they aren't hardcore LP fans and aren't looking at 0.5 second, 1 second, 2 second differences or vocal effects, or *whatever* (synths, drum beats) in the song versions... only people like us will catch that. It just is confusing how they don't have it simply labeled as "Minutes to Midnight (24 bit masters)" and then there are the 14 or whatever files. How do you find something like "Waiting for the End (Different CB Acapella Vocal Treatment)" or whatever? lol. The HT20 shortened songs error made it all the way through the entire process, along with DVDs that were misprinted/mislabeled, without anyone catching it until the public had it in their hands. 

This is true. And it’s also mostly they kind of put together the package without really paying attention to certain things that matter within any album. With the transitions issue, still this collection is an album on streaming. It will be played start to finish and should connect the songs together well and they just didn’t treat it that way.

Edited April 15 by IWillWalkAway

[leftshoe18]

Does this stuff happen for other bands too? I swear Linkin Park is the only band I closely follow that has these kinds of mistakes continually pop up.

[lpliveusername]

56 minutes ago, leftshoe18 said:

Does this stuff happen for other bands too? I swear Linkin Park is the only band I closely follow that has these kinds of mistakes continually pop up.

I remember @Astat saying that Avenged Sevenfold had something similar to the Shadow Of The Day situation happen to one of their songs on Rock Band or a similar game. One of the guitar tracks simply disappeared from the song's project.

 

Stone Temple Pilots had a previously unreleased extended version of Press Play randomly pop up on a vinyl re-issue of Tiny Music. The company who did the vinyl said that was the version in the master that they received.

 

Julien-K released an instrumental version of Death To Analog and later realized that the instrumental version of Dystopian Girl was never mixed, so they had to mix the instrumental from scratch to replace it.

 

The Mer de Noms vinyl by A Perfect Circle had extended versions of Sleeping Beauty and Over when compared to the ones in the CD.

 

Thirty Seconds To Mars had different versions of One Track Mind released on America. Some fans randomly received the album with a shortened version of the song without A$AP Rocky's vocals.

 

The We Made It single by Busta Rhymes with Linkin Park (technically not a Warner release) had a dirty acapella version released in Europe mislabeled as clean version. The dirty acapella wasn't meant to be released anywhere.

 

That's the ones I can think from the top of my head. I'm sure there are other examples.

[bloodbath]

2 hours ago, lpliveusername said:

I remember @Astat saying that Avenged Sevenfold had something similar to the Shadow Of The Day situation happen to one of their songs on Rock Band or a similar game. One of the guitar tracks simply disappeared from the song's project.

 

Stone Temple Pilots had a previously unreleased extended version of Press Play randomly pop up on a vinyl re-issue of Tiny Music. The company who did the vinyl said that was the version in the master that they received.

 

Julien-K released an instrumental version of Death To Analog and later realized that the instrumental version of Dystopian Girl was never mixed, so they had to mix the instrumental from scratch to replace it.

 

The Mer de Noms vinyl by A Perfect Circle had extended versions of Sleeping Beauty and Over when compared to the ones in the CD.

 

Thirty Seconds To Mars had different versions of One Track Mind released on America. Some fans randomly received the album with a shortened version of the song without A$AP Rocky's vocals.

 

The We Made It single by Busta Rhymes with Linkin Park (technically not a Warner release) had a dirty acapella version released in Europe mislabeled as clean version. The dirty acapella wasn't meant to be released anywhere.

 

That's the ones I can think from the top of my head. I'm sure there are other examples.

Evanescence had a mislabeled track on their Fallen 20. Not to mention that there were b sides missing.

 

Unless the band has their hands really on this, this kind of things are very usual 

[GreyFox-AFCA]

I know that the new BLINK182 album was full of mistakes in the lyrics.

I know that this is/was a thing on the digital versions, but i don't know for sure if it was also the case with the physical releases.

 

 

Edit : 

I see a lot of people who orderd their "Jar Of Flies" 30th aniversary boxset reporting that there's at least some misprinted lyrics.

 

 

So yeah, it's not only LP where it's happening with lol.

Edited April 17 by GreyFox-AFCA

[Rasputin 93]

On 4/16/2024 at 1:57 AM, leftshoe18 said:

Does this stuff happen for other bands too? I swear Linkin Park is the only band I closely follow that has these kinds of mistakes continually pop up.

Pretty common actually, it just depends on how organized a band's management is that passes the masters to the label.

Here are some examples for Rammstein: https://rammwiki.net/wiki/XXI_(compilation)#Differences

Or check the "Versions" chapter on the song pages, this gets crazy at times.

[Soeffingnaive92]

To be honest I am glad I did not purchase a special pricey edition of this release, considering the issues present many of you are talking about. I am super happy this release got us FF, one of my fav LP b-sides to date, and QWERTY on Spotify. As for the rest, I hope the release spreads LP fame among the casuals and potential young new fans. As many here said, this release is not exactly for us diehard fans but for someone who would go “oh wow, this 2006 song called QWERTY  wasn’t on any album and it’s so heavy”

 

[martinez]

No THP tracks on on the album but they included a THP sticker on the Japanese version of the CD.

 

https://i.imgur.com/hpHBRLb.jpeg

 

[JZLP-Benningstrong]

15 minutes ago, martinez said:

No THP tracks on on the album but they included a THP sticker on the Japanese version of the CD.

 

https://i.imgur.com/hpHBRLb.jpeg

 

they had to fill that space.

[martinez]

So yesterday the new version of Papercuts was released. It can be found here: Spotify, Qobuz, iTunes/Apple Music, Juno.

 

Here are the info about the differences comparing the previous digital version of it:

 

01.Crawling (03:29)
 - album version, no changes comparing the previous digital version

 

02.Faint (02:42)
 - it's now the single version

 

03.Numb/Encore [Explicit] (03:26)
 - no changes comparing the previous digital version

 

04.Papercut (03:06)
 - it's now the single version

 

05.Breaking The Habit (03:17)
 - it's now the single version

 

06.In The End (03:36)
 - album version, no changes comparing the previous digital version

 

07.Bleed It Out [Explicit] (02:44)
 - album version, no changes comparing the previous digital version

 

08.Somewhere I Belong (03:34)
 - album version, no changes comparing the previous digital version

 

09.Waiting For The End (03:51)
 - fixed with 2010 version
 - additionally it contains small fade out at the end, right before the transition to Blackout, after the fade out the rest of the track (400-500 milliseconds) was cut
 - new quality: 24-bit/44.1kHz

 

So this will be the first version of the 2010 version of the song not having transition to Blackout, which is currently exclusive to this new Papercuts digital album.

 

10.Castle Of Glass (03:25)
 - album version, no changes comparing the previous digital version

 

11.One More Light (04:15)
 - album version, no changes comparing the previous digital version

 

12.Burn It Down (03:50)
 - album version, no changes comparing the previous digital version

 

13.What I’ve Done (03:27)
 - really weird edit, small portion of the SOTD ending was added to WID intro and fade in
 - it contains almost 1 sec of silence at beginning

 

Maybe they didn't have the single version in Hi-Res and that's why they did it this way?

 

14.QWERTY (03:21)
 - no changes comparing the previous digital version

 

15.One Step Closer (02:35)
 - album version, no changes comparing the previous digital version

 

16.New Divide (04:29)
 - no changes comparing the previous digital version

 

17.Leave Out All the Rest (03:19)
 - the transition to BIO was removed.

 

18.Lost (03:16)
 - no changes comparing the previous digital version

 

19.Numb (03:06)
 - album version, no changes comparing the previous digital version

[lpliveusername]

What I get from this is that now we have a 3rd version of the compilation on digital platforms and it's different from both the correct physical release and the faulty physical release.

 

 

[solidss]

Papercut still has that synth sound mixed at the end in "Beneath my skin!" Doesn't the physical CD have the version where this sound was removed?

 

 

[martinez]

On 5/7/2024 at 8:32 PM, solidss said:

Papercut still has that synth sound mixed at the end in "Beneath my skin!" Doesn't the physical CD have the version where this sound was removed?

 

 

 

No, the Papercuts CD have the album version of it. I think they never did the proper single version of it, they just edited the album version and just fade out it at the end. Here's the screen with comparsion of the ending: https://i.ibb.co/Fq4bPcP/345658.png

[lpliveusername]

1 hour ago, solidss said:

Papercut still has that synth sound mixed at the end in "Beneath my skin!" Doesn't the physical CD have the version where this sound was removed?

It segues into Breaking The Habit in the CD (at least in the ones that have the correct versions of the songs). The entire compilation is supposed to be album versions, but edited to remove the album transitions or to make new transitions like on Papercuts -> Breaking The Habit.

 

Now it seems that digital platforms have mostly a mix of unedited album versions and unedited single versions. Waiting For The End is a new version because we didn't have the 2010 version without the transition to Blackout at the end.

[LPLStaff]

It seems like all are correct versions except the What I've Done intro now, right?

Yes it's a mix of album/single but for example some of the album versions ARE the singles versions.

[bloodbath]

Great job @martinez! The physical edition does still have its own problems I assume, like the incorrect version of WFTE

[lpliveusername]

2 hours ago, LPLStaff said:

Yes it's a mix of album/single but for example some of the album versions ARE the singles versions.

Yes, some of the album tracks are exactly the same as on their respective singles.

 

2 hours ago, LPLStaff said:

Yes it's a mix of album/single but for example some of the album versions ARE the singles versions.

What bothers me the most about this is that they had chosen to use album versions and edited them specifically for the compilation, removing album transitions and creating new transitions specific to the compilation as evidenced by the not-fucked-up CDs and vinyls. However, now they suddenly decided that the previous product they had created and shipped to the entire world wasn't good and replaced some of the tracks for single versions exclusively for the digital release.

 

What are they planning to do about people who purchased the physical album? If this new digital release is what they consider the correct version of the album, it means no one in the entire world received a physical version with the correct versions of the songs. I wouldn't really mind if the problem was only a small vocal effect on Waiting For The End that no one even noticed for 12 years, but an entire album being wrong is ridiculous. Even more frustrating after all the mess that was the Hybrid Theory 20th anniversary box set. You'd think they learned something from that, but it's pretty obvious they didn't.