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While it is true that crimes happen everywhere, no country comes even close to the US when it comes to gun violence. Literally. It's insane over there. An estimated 13.500 people died because of gun violence in the US last year alone (that's roughly 37 people every day!). What you see on the news is only a fraction of it, as crazy as that may sound. I certainly can't imagine living in such an environment, it's that alien to me. Just because a shooting did happen in another country doesn't mean that you are unsafe there (check "availability heuristic", because what you describe falls exactly under that term). Because by that logic you shouldn't do anything at all in life. You could die because of a cable fire in your sleep or get hit by a car on your way to buy groceries, etc. I wouldn't advise doing that kind of thinking for your own well-being. But you do you, of course. It still saddens me, that a young person like yourself has these kinds of thoughts.

@AceWav The part about the risk of a shooting got me. That is such a sad statement, and I'm sorry that you feel this way. No one should ever be afraid of something like that (especially at a show!), but it's the consequence of years of experience on the matter in your country. About the other part: Being in front and in the pit are some of my most precious memories of attending shows ever. Especially at "rock" shows the vibe is always positive (except for the random asshole here and there). I never felt a sense of community more than what I experienced there, in the heat of the moment. But it needs to be said that I'm German and thus European and can only vouch for people over here. And it only partly applies to these big (and/or popular) shows, because you usually have a lot more casual fans there who get annoyed quickly. Nowadays, with age and injuries, I prefer to be rather at the side/back of things. But only a couple of years ago I loved being in the mix, and I will cherish these memories until the day I die.

"Crawling [World Trade Center Tribute Mix]" Wow, totally forgot about that one. Wasn't it with like speeches and stuff?

While I agree that the constant comparisons of LP 2.0 with Paramore are stupid (because it is a frontwoman now...), the song in question has a certain Paramore feel to it musically, too. Just chiming in, no judgment, commence on bashing your heads in.

It's amazing what scope they played over there. Really impressive visuals. I'm so happy for them.

It has to. It would be super strange for them to perform a version of a song that wasn't recorded in some shape or form beforehand (during that era). I would LOVE to get this version someday (if it exists).

A shame. Was hoping for him doing the "drum to an unknown song"-thing. Also, the drums are pretty boring, all things considered. But great to have a spotlight on him.

If I recall correctly, we actually have a snippet of their live recording session for that version in the making of. They definitely tried to record it "live", so I'm pretty positive that this version exists in some shape of form.

It's all good, man. It just feels so out of place for you when it happens, as you are a rather nice, positive and (most importantly) creative person generally. I was on the receiving end of it a couple of times in the past. That's why I noticed it in the first place. No harm done, since we all have "bad" days and ways of going about them ✌️.

Dude can be the most positive person, but occasionally he tends to get a bit unhinged out of nowhere. Hard to tell why that is. The Rob thing had been mysterious for many years. It was known that he had some problems during his teenager years, but the extent is not known.

Awesome, thank you

How do you know? Trading is really complicated, and Felipe sharing so many gems is something to be grateful for. It seems you have no idea what it takes to become a successful trader.

The biggest crime is the exclusion of the "Clair Obscure: Expedition 33" soundtrack. That is a massive blunder. What the hell?

I did not know that. Wow, Wtf?

I think he is refering to the M20 versions of the song. We got the officially released version which got remixed for the release of M20, and there is the original Andy Wallace mix from 2002 (which only got included on the CD version of M20 for whatever stupid reasons).

Great performance! Great video!

I really like the emphasized integration of Alex in these. He deserves some attention (and I thought it was funny as hell).

No worries, I didn't take it personal. And I agree with Fleur, that Chester's ex-wife and his son are probably a big reason on why they handle it the way they do. I understand that and hate the fact aswell. But no one in this thread is blaming the band or anything. We are a good community generally, fortunately, and far away from social media outbursts of these lunatics out there. To me, having LYF as the last bonus track on the album being a final nod to Chester (without naming him or anything) would have been the perfect send-off to this whole topic. A final goodbye and off to a totally Chester-unrelated future. That's it. No blame or anything. And it sucks that you have to "feel bad" about that according to some.

Yeah, some of you are becoming quite unhinged. Wow. Quit acting like this is some Facebook comment section where people are shouting "Chester Forever!!!". No one in this thread came forward with anything super extraordinary or urgent "demands" or even HATE towards the band. We are talking about a nod, a mention, something like that here and there and it gets perceived as if people are trashing the band and their decisions. You know what? If you can't deal with different opinions or feelings from fans then that is your problem. It's always the same people who become the bands lawyers if you even dare to "criticize" (for lack of a better word, don't get worked up again, please...) or point out something that you find odd. Talk about a parasocial relationship.

Stop being so selfish and blaming, dude! /s

I disagree. The song is more or less the same kind of thing that PT became: Mike coping with the situation. It references what happened, but I wouldn't call that a tribute song. LYF would have been pretty much perfect. Not too sentimental and acknowledging. It is what it is and that is ok.

Just to be clear: I don't want the band to "ride" on Chester's name or anything. Absolutely not. I think they did it brilliantly with FZ and how they handled their return. Plus he was "part" of HT20 and M20 in a way, which was really cool. That being said: A kind of tribute song to him is nothing that would be viable for a lawsuit. They don't even have to name him or anything. That's why LYF felt so perfect in that regard because it worked well as a nod and would've been more than enough to me.

I have always felt the same. Glad I'm not the only one. But it's ok, it's just the way he is. It's a shame, though, that we never got a tribute song to Chester from the band. I understand why they didn't do it. But personally, I craved something like this since 2017. LYF would've been exactly that, but it wasn't meant to be. I know I'm in the minority on here concerning this. But it is what it is.

Awesome, thank you. I actually was lucky enough to see them perform this song with Chester. Unfortunately, though, Cyclefly sucked badly live and were booed heavily.

Always. It's crazy.