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I think he is refering to the M20 versions of the song. We got the officially released version which got remixed for the release of M20, and there is the original Andy Wallace mix from 2002 (which only got included on the CD version of M20 for whatever stupid reasons).

Great performance! Great video!

I really like the emphasized integration of Alex in these. He deserves some attention (and I thought it was funny as hell).

No worries, I didn't take it personal. And I agree with Fleur, that Chester's ex-wife and his son are probably a big reason on why they handle it the way they do. I understand that and hate the fact aswell. But no one in this thread is blaming the band or anything. We are a good community generally, fortunately, and far away from social media outbursts of these lunatics out there. To me, having LYF as the last bonus track on the album being a final nod to Chester (without naming him or anything) would have been the perfect send-off to this whole topic. A final goodbye and off to a totally Chester-unrelated future. That's it. No blame or anything. And it sucks that you have to "feel bad" about that according to some.

Yeah, some of you are becoming quite unhinged. Wow. Quit acting like this is some Facebook comment section where people are shouting "Chester Forever!!!". No one in this thread came forward with anything super extraordinary or urgent "demands" or even HATE towards the band. We are talking about a nod, a mention, something like that here and there and it gets perceived as if people are trashing the band and their decisions. You know what? If you can't deal with different opinions or feelings from fans then that is your problem. It's always the same people who become the bands lawyers if you even dare to "criticize" (for lack of a better word, don't get worked up again, please...) or point out something that you find odd. Talk about a parasocial relationship.

Stop being so selfish and blaming, dude! /s

I disagree. The song is more or less the same kind of thing that PT became: Mike coping with the situation. It references what happened, but I wouldn't call that a tribute song. LYF would have been pretty much perfect. Not too sentimental and acknowledging. It is what it is and that is ok.

Just to be clear: I don't want the band to "ride" on Chester's name or anything. Absolutely not. I think they did it brilliantly with FZ and how they handled their return. Plus he was "part" of HT20 and M20 in a way, which was really cool. That being said: A kind of tribute song to him is nothing that would be viable for a lawsuit. They don't even have to name him or anything. That's why LYF felt so perfect in that regard because it worked well as a nod and would've been more than enough to me.

I have always felt the same. Glad I'm not the only one. But it's ok, it's just the way he is. It's a shame, though, that we never got a tribute song to Chester from the band. I understand why they didn't do it. But personally, I craved something like this since 2017. LYF would've been exactly that, but it wasn't meant to be. I know I'm in the minority on here concerning this. But it is what it is.

Awesome, thank you. I actually was lucky enough to see them perform this song with Chester. Unfortunately, though, Cyclefly sucked badly live and were booed heavily.

Always. It's crazy.

That is so true. The press would've ate them alive back then. Some newer fans never experienced the whole "LP is manufactured" era of the band. That was annoying as hell back then.

It's just around an hour of travelling by train, what gives

"Ruhr Area"

Well, first off, just because we are on a LP message board and fans, doesn't mean we can't be critical of stuff. Secondly, I highly doubt the marketing "strategy" involved trashing other artists. If that was part of the marketing, then what the fuck? That's just poor. Thirdly, I have no reason to "hate Mike", that's just a bullshit take. He is amazing. And last, but not least: Calling out all the pop on the radio only to produce the poppiest pop a few years later was super... let's say weird, for your sake. So, yeah, the point came up and I felt the need to underline this sentiment. On a LP message board nonetheless. Let's not pretend the band is without blunders. Everyone has those. And if the matter of the fact is so tiring for you, you need to find ways to deal with it.

2014 Mike is one of LP's biggest blunders, for sure. That was embarrasing.

But it wasn't like they were sitting around doing nothing in 2016. They started work on OML then. It's unlike the time span between Meteora and MTM, where, with the exception of Mike (Fort Minor), they took a long time off.

Or stop supporting this stupid system and get normal tickets for the pit?

My post wasn't intended to provide a counterpoint to your post. It rather got me thinking on why he gets the respect that he is getting (aside from being a super successful musician/artist), haha.

Mike is recognized because he carried the Hip-Hop aspect with the utmost respect since day 1. I think people with a strong Hip-Hop background can acknowledge him because he always showed that he knows what Hip-Hop is about. Unlike many other "rappers" in rock bands back then, he "lived" and respected the culture (plus, you know, wrote some killer rap parts and produced a LOT of amazing beats). I doubt many people from the genre would call him one of the best to ever do it, but they most certainly respect him for being "real" in a way. At least that's my feeling.

There were some interesting tidbits. Like Jay-Z not wanting to collab with them at the Grammy's or Rakim driving from New York to LA. But man, the host got so hammered, I laughed my ass off. And Mike had a buzz going for sure in the end, you could sense it.

It didn't help that the host got progressively more stoned

Wild interview, haha.

Wow, nice catch.

That is something I would like to listen to