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Well of course it's not *exactly* the same, but it's so similar it just gets repetitive.

Cure for the Itch is different, it's a completely instrumental. As for Papercut, One Step Closer, Crawling, and Forgotten, listen to the music. Structure: verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus end. I guess Crawling doesn't really have a bridge, but I hope you get the point. The structure is the same. Listen to the music. During the verses, the music is quiet. Maybe there is less guitar, or no guitar at all. Then the chorus comes in, BAM loud guitars come back in. It's like I'm paranoid lookin over my back! EVERYTHING YOU SAY TO MEEEEEE! CRAAAAAAWLING INNNNN MY SKINNNNN! From the top to the bottom! It's trueeeeee the way I feeeeeeeel! I wanna be in another placeeeee. Then the next verse, quiet again. THEN ANOTHER BIG CHORUS WITH THOSE LOUD GUITARS! Then at the 2 minute mark, THE HEAVY BRIDGE! I'm sorry if this is some sort of revelation to some people, but it is what it is.

Sorry, but I just disagree. You said that "Yes, more challenging and creative lyrics are a great thing in music, but the simplicity and easy-listening of Hybrid Theory proves how great the album is. A 12 year old could listen to this album, same with a 17, 22, 27, and 32, 42, 62 year old and understand what the lyrics mean." Besides the fact that you completely contradict yourself, your logic doesn't make any sense. By your logic, Curious George is one of the greatest books ever written, because people of all ages can pick it up and understand the messages. By your logic, the Yogi Bear movie is a better movie than Inception, because it's easier to understand what's going on. Clearly, neither of those is true. Intelligent music is good music. So simple a pre-teen can get it, is NOT intelligent. Every song on Hybrid Theory sounds the same. It's the same formula over and over and over again. Give me heavy distorted guitars with rap verses, a screaming chorus, a heavy bridge at the 2 minute mark (seriously, go back and check. Hybrid Theory is such a formulaic album, that the heavy bridges cut in at almost the exact same time in every song) and cash the checks. Nothing creative about that. You want to talk about "following a blueprint"? For God's sake, every song on this album follows the same exact formula. People credit HT for helping create the nu-metal genre. Sorry, but LOLno. Hybrid Theory came out at the peak of of nu-metal, it didn't help create it. If anything, it was following a trend. (To be fair though, the band was writing these nu-metal songs years before HT actually came out, as we know from the demo tapes) You said every song on HT could have been a single. That's probably true, and quite frankly, I see that as a bad thing. The fact that every song on that album was so rock radio-oriented and pop-structured shows a complete lack of musical creativity. Hybrid Theory is also, in essence, a pop album. A lot of you probably think I'm crazy now, but I'm not. The whole hardcore, head-banging, guitar/screaming stuff is really more of a red-herring in that regard. Think of it this way: "This is an album full of songs that sound like each other, follow very typical verse/chorus structure, emphasis on a catchy/memorable chorus, simple lyrics, that could achieve mainstream radio success." If you were to just read the above sentence about an album, without knowing anything else about it, you would absolutely have to think it was a pop album. Well, those statements are all true of Hybrid Theory. We all need to face it, Hybrid Theory was an album for angsty teenagers. I know that's been said time and time again, but that's because it's true. Simple, easily digestible music that is a ton of fun to jump around to in your bedroom, but doesn't have a ton of substance to it, musically or lyrically. Granted, the way the music is presented was definitely Linkin Park's own. It was nu-metal, which had been done before, but LP found their own way of doing it and making it unique within that genre. So they should receive credit for that. I'll always appreciate Hybrid Theory for being the first album from my favorite band, for being the little-album-that-could that went on to sell millions after no one wanted to give it a chance, but other than the sentimental values it holds, it really is not anything very special. Even the band realizes this. Every album is like a snapshot of where the band is in their lives. During Hybrid Theory, they were angsty young kids. Now, they're older and have much more diverse, creative, and interesting taste in music, and it reflects in the music they make. I'd much rather have the album that tries to break free of traditional mainstream-crafted music, instead of the album that is full of it. A Thousand Suns > Hybrid Theory

iTunes put together a list of artists and their favorite Beatles songs. Each group picked a song and talked a little bit about it. I was looking through it and noticed Mike contributed one on behalf of Linkin Park. http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore...re?id=412905364 He chose A Day In The Life: "The first time I heard this song, it redefined how I saw The Beatles. It was one of the songs that first really turned me onto the band - it feels bigger than a song, if that makes any sense. The evolution of the music and sounds, the quality of the recording, and the ideas in the lyrics have always captivated me." - Mike Shinoda I dunno how many of you are Beatles fans, but I agree with Mike completely. One of my favorite Beatles songs also.

yeah, did Mike give any other interesting info?

Was anything else interesting said?

Why's that a bad thing? All they'd have to do is go into the studio for their next album and bam, new demos/b-sides that wouldn't be affiliated with Warner at all. The LPU CDs would only be limited for about a year or two.

I would be all for LP leaving Warner for a more indie label.

If it turns out there is not any new LP/DBS stuff on this album, just remember what the cause is before anyone gets upset.

Oh wow, thanks!

I had to miss this, was anything particularly interesting said?

That's what I said. It's Chester. I was surprised he couldn't tell.

If you can't tell that's Chester then I'm not sure what to tell you.

Blackout has a lot of energy, but it is a bit sloppy. The breakdown got really messy. It isn't sampled by the way. They are playing samples live, but it isn't sampled if that makes sense. It's not just playback. As for who is doing what, Mike and Joe seem to both be doing their own thing with the vocal samples. Phoenix is playing the bass synth, and Chester is playing the beat on a drum pad. Mike and Joe weren't really in-sync with each other and it showed. The end of the breakdown just sounded like a bunch of noise. I'm sure that'll just get better after playing it more though.

This. I'm all for random fun threads to pass the time but it's getting a little out of hand. Is there REALLY any difference between this thread, the pick songs for your friend to listen to thread, the top 25 Linkin Park songs thread, and the make a Linkin Park EP thread?

I like the interludes but they aren't necessary to enjoy the songs. People blew that out of proportion. LP always said the songs could easily stand alone too. The interludes just help the album flow together better.

I hope you're talking about the Crawling demo that doesn't have Chester's pathetic attempt at an angsty teenage girl scream in the beginning. "AUGHHHHH! I HATE YOU SOMUCH RIGHT NOW!" That has to be the dumbest, cringe-worthy, immature, any-other-negative-adjective moment in a Linkin Park song ever.

Shadow Of The Day never had rapping in it. I remember where you heard that from though. It was from a kind of poorly translated German review of the album before it was released. They were talking about Bleed It Out but it accidentally got put in the SOTD section.

That's because, well, they CAN. And they do. Every single time they set foot on the stage. The only reason you're being so pissy is because you're sitting at home instead of being at the actual show. If you were actually AT one of these shows, and afterwards the only thing you could say was "LP, you officially suck!" then you'd officially be a douche. I don't think you'd be thinking that though, I'd like to believe you'd be thinking "wow that was awesome!" If you let the fact that they played a "usual" setlist ruin the entire concert for you and make you unhappy, I'd feel sorry for the people that would have to attend a concert with you.

I'll make sure to relay your message to Linkin Park. I'm sure they'll care a ton about what your expectations for their setlist are.

OP must be really bothered by this considering he's posted about it in the shoutbox, left a comment about it in a completely unrelated topic, AND started this topic. XD It's really not that big of a deal.

Not sure if it's really news, but NPR is letting people vote for their favorite albums of 2010. The results with be revealed on December 14th. http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2010/12/...ote2010?ps=cprs Not a huge deal, but it would be nice to see ATS get even more recognition. You can also vote for up to 10 albums so whichever ones you like best. It's a pretty huge list. EDIT: I also found an interesting review of ATS that I don't think was ever posted. It's a pretty good read. http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-10-13/mus...ir-ok-computer/

Sounds like a sig bet in the making.

Pretty much this. Remember the "quick Minutes To Midnight follow-up"?

You know if you go back and read the thread, I don't think you'll find anyone complaining about anything.