Garret

Sounds sick. Thanks for sharing.

Really?? What shows? Amazing work you have been doing for this finding all this stuff. I suck with names, you have any ideas?

Just listened to the incredible ITE from Live 8 last night and Chester sings the bridge. Just wanted to add another ITE in which he sings it.

Looks good to me. You really are the hero of Album 2. You added so much to it. Maybe other people know some other rare stuff but it looks pretty good to me.

Wow awesome, thank you for sharing!

Wall Of Sound Instrumental Hard Life Introutro Split Personality Evil Twin Those are the six unreleased DBS songs that we know of. The first four hail from the infamous demo board shown in Julien-K's studio, which had a photo of it on their website back in 2007. Amir was asked about these four songs on Facebook and he said they were all songs that never got finished. Interesting enough, if you go by the check boxes on the board, it seems like Hard Life was the only one of the four that had vocals, but of course, we don't know that for sure. Split Personality and Evil Twin were shown on a different demo board during a Making Of DBS video back in 2009. I think these two songs or more or less proper b-sides that were cut from the album because they made it all the way until the final process with Howard Benson. I don't think they are final versions of any of the four demos from the board shown in 2007, and Amir's quote kind of half confirms it. Chester also apparently thought 20 Eyes was going to be a bonus track for the album, but it never got released, although a studio demo of it was released on the Demos CD that was leaked in 2018. Morning After was obviously released as a bonus track for the album in Japan and other places like iTunes. Anyways, do you think we could get Ryan and Amir to release these six tracks? Seems like possibly all they have for songs that didn't make the album, besides various demo versions of album songs, etc. I think maybe we could get them to. They said in 2017 that they would release stuff in time and that Chester wanted us to hear it all. It's been 3 years coming up this summer and I think maybe it's a good time to release it. They can do a Time Capsule type of thing, I'd pay for it, and I'm sure other fans would too, on Kickstarter or something. Or maybe just a digital release, even, a limited CD release, there are multiple ways. Do you guys think if we ask Ryan and Amir about this, they might consider it? Grey Daze is also releasing a CD this year so maybe they'll also view it as a good time.

I get it, trust me. I became a ‘’hardcore fan’’ in late 2004/early 2005, so I was around when the band was very first announced as Snow White Tan later that year. I watched Let Down on TV when they played it on September 10, 2005. Funnily enough I was browsing old LPA posts the other day and came across my post from 2005 after watching it. But that’s besides the point. So I really liked that time period and wish it came out then. I get what you mean since you became a hardcore fan in 2009 when Out Of Ashes came out. Look, it’s not THAT bad of an album. I’ve listened to it over and over for years. I just wish the songs kept their original soul and spirit that they had originally. You’ll find that a lot of people here agree that Let Down from 2005 blows away the finalized album but I’m probably the most douchebag about it because that’s just who I am and I hate myself for it. As for the butt-rock term I didn’t mean to offend anyone. That’s just what I’ve seen that kind of music called as time and time again. I used to like that stuff when I was younger but I don’t really listen to it anymore. It’s not bad per say it’s just not for me anymore. I guess I grew out of the sound DBS went for on the album and just wish we had the old acoustic versions that Chester originally made.

That’s why I started my post with IMHO. It’s my opinion. Just because I think the songs are cheesy doesn’t mean that other people can’t feel differently. Butt-rock is a term for bands like Nickelback, Skillet, Three Days Grace, Breaking Benjamin, etc. Which is what a lot of the ‘’harder’’ songs on the album sound like to me. And Howard Benson has worked with a lot of those types of bands. My entire was me voicing my opinion on the whole thing. If you want to read an article about the album, go look it up. It’s just my opinion. I personally think that the songs would have been better if they stayed acoustic like originally written with minimal input from the Julien-K guys. Sorry. And I was actually praising Mike for how he handled all his solo stuff. Read it again. Also, about writing for DBS on Linkinpedia, I said I no longer care about that because it’s fine the way it is. So yeah.

IMHO, Death To Analog COMPLETELY blows away Out Of Ashes. Every single song by Dead By Sunrise is cheesy as hell. They’re either trying to be these super mainstream butt-rock songs or these super cheesy The Cure style rip offs for love songs, etc. but done differently than JK. The lyrics I know were ‘’personal’’ to Chester but so weren’t the lyrics he wrote for LP, particular MTM which was written at the same time as DBS. All of the lyrics on DBS talk about either addiction, depression, or love. In Pieces was literally about the entire time period and completely blows away Let Down, etc. Given Up he wrote when he got back from rehab and it blows away all of the songs about addiction on OOA. SOTD deals with depression, same as like LOATR, VD, etc. Those are loads better. And they aren’t cheesy as all hell and are actually good songs. Which I guarantee he realized since he has said that when DBS started they hadn’t started writing MTM yet and he didn’t know what direction LP was going in. He said that after they did MTM, the DBS songs could have fit in that style, but he didn’t know it at the time, because he didn’t know LP was gonna be writing styles for every kind of song and experimenting hardcore for MTM. The only thing OOA has that MTM doesn’t is 3 love songs but IMO they are so are so cheesy and forgettable that it doesn’t matter. Some people may love them but I’m just saying me personally. Now, as far as Death To Analog goes, Chester was super involved with that whole album and process. He literally taught Ryan how to sing during this time and even asked if he could join Julien-K at one point according to Ryan, because he loved it so much. You can tell that when Chester sang for Ryan on that one PR show that he was way into the songs. He looked like he was having more fun than at any DBS show and he rocked it. He also loved coming out at shows throughout 2006-2009 doing Technical Difficulties and sometimes Maestro, too. The style of the music was what he grew up loving. That Depeche Mode style 80’s synth stuff. He loved The Cure, Tears for Fears, Bowie, all that. He has said many times. And I think Chester really shaped DTA because a lot of JK’s stuff after DTA is way different (not that it’s bad though they are all better albums than OOA by a long shot). Ryan even says sometimes when he listens to old demos from 2004-2007 or whatever he can still hear Chester singing the songs because he literally wrote them with them and helped Ryan learn to sing the songs. So yeah. Chester definitely invested way more into DTA as well. He promoted the hell out of JK in 2006-2007 always wearing JK’s pins and stuff and mentioning them in interviews. He brought JK out on PR07 on the main stage which was huge since it was the first US tour for MTM and main stage was a big deal for a band like JK who was virtually unknown to the world as opposed to bands like MSI on the Rev Stage. He wanted to bring JK out for the Europe winter tour for MTM in 2008 but they couldn’t get the funding right or something. He was constantly appearing at JK shows well after MTM was done. He was at shows in late 2008, early 2009, etc. He executive produced DTA and promoted it when it dropped in early 2009. He didn’t really do shit for OOA. He didn’t even know what bonus tracks were coming out or anything about the release. He barely played any shows for OOA, not even a US tour. They didn’t even have a website. No making of DVD. The booklet that came with the album was garbage, no lyrics, just about 3 pages of pics of the band. I think he knew DBS sucked by the end of 2005 so he shelved it and did MTM. By the time PR08 was done everyone was up his ass about releasing it and if he didn’t everyone would forever bitch about it. So he changed a lot of the stuff and added new songs, changed songs, all that. When it dropped it didn’t do well and he knew it since he said so on his Twitter asking fans if he made a bad album. He knew it was bad. Lol. Cmon. That’s why he never picked it up again. Even in 2017, he said he wrote 5 songs on his own. Someone asked if they were DBS. He said nah I think they’re just my own thing. He knew DBS was shit. I know there was gonna be a ‘’reunion show in a warehouse in LA’’ in 2017 but they said shit like that in 2011, 2012, 2014, etc. He just said that stuff to make it seem like he was cool with it all, unlike how Mike dropped SOB from FM and they got pissed. Mike was in the right since SOB talked mad shit on him about Reseda Beach and then wanted to act like they were all cool with him when he got FM going again in 2015, like he owed them something, like they were just as much a part as him, etc. Mike was like fuck that low key and just did it himself. Pissed off SOB but who cares. Then Mike did PT all by himself and didn’t invite SOB to Chester’s tribute show cuz fuck em. They just wanted to use Mike’s fame all along. Chester was smart too to keep it low key about DBS and how he knew it sucked. He knew it sucked since late 2005, trust me. He just felt obligated to release it after PR08 because fans were up his ass about it 24/7 and so weren’t others. He even said the album was cheesy in an interview with suicidegirls in 2013. Timing was everything with DBS. I think VERY early on, it could have been something decent, I’m talking the very first initial seeds or whatever he sang by himself on an acoustic in like late 2004/very early 2005 or whatever. However I think that as JK went further down the rabbit hole with their stuff, Chester really loved that stuff a lot. Like Ryan said, Chester even asked him if he could join the band but they said no because they already were making a record with him. And as 2005 went on the DBS songs changed a lot from the initial ideas and I think he tried to make them kind of like these JK style songs and made them cheesy, but not in a good way. They lost their soul. Then LP did MTM and I think he really loved making that album and the alt. rock style that it ultimately had, and the tour with all the rock and emo bands, all that. Like I said, when he first started writing songs for DBS, he said didn't yet know what LP was gonna do for their next album. And I think after PR08, he really tried to make the album appeal to mainstream butt-rock and stuff and picked Howard who helped it become that because he just wanted to satisfy people and be done with it. Read in the paragraph above with what I said about how little Chester cared about the release of the album. I think DBS was over before it started and went on life support shortly after the initial seed ideas he had were mixed with Ryan and Amir. He should have done it all himself just playing those songs he had on an acoustic. Like Let Down live from 2005 in Nashville. That’s all that DBS ever needed. It didn’t need to have 6 JK members like it ended up having and a butt-rock producer. It needed to come out in 2005 in the original acoustic style that it had. I wish it never came out and the last we ever heard about it was when Chester shelved it in late 2005. But I feel like even by the end of 2005 with Amir saying it was ‘done then if they wanted’ it already had become shit by then. So I’m saying the original seed ideas with Chester on an acoustic. Maybe as far as Let Down live from Nashville 2005 but not any farther than that. They could have went on tour in 2005 just the 3 of them like that, kept the songs acoustic like they were written, like that performance they did of Let Down, never involved the rest of JK or Howard, etc. Just did that in 2005 and it would have been good. Like this is perfect. This is how it started it out as seeds. Or listen to Morning After from Berlin 2001. Let Down from 2005. The songs were never meant to have all that JK influence. They basically became second rate JK songs on OOA, or butt rock. I also hated how the Steve Wyrick show was promoted as acoustic but they needed to have Elias play drums loud as fuck. It was like half ass acoustic. Acoustic to me is what Let Down in Nashville 2005 was. Chester, Amir and Ryan. Vocals and guitar.

Sounds real to me. Instrumentals and Acapellas get released in the rap/hip hop world literally all the time. Especially in the 2000’s for some reason where as now in the 2010’s you don’t see it AS much but you still do. I bet it surfaced sometimes around 2007 when the track came out. I know Young Buck wanted to film a music video for the song and wanted it to be a big single but it never happened. Maybe it was some sort of promo release or maybe he just released the album in instrumental form. Kind of like how FM did with TRT but kept it low key, that’s how all the old rap stuff did it back then, mostly for DJs and remixers. Obviously none of what I said confirms it’s real but I’m just saying it probably is. It will be hard to dig up any info on this song because it’s so forgotten about. Which is a shame cuz it has some really amazing vocals from Chester, especially the outro vocals.

Some of my favorites. 2000 2000.09.16 - Lake Buena Vista, FL. The very first show I ever listened to by the band and it's my favorite from 2000 by far. Killer performances and a great quality recording for a 2000 show. 2000.11.30 - Providence, RI. A horrible quality, but if you download the pitch corrected version, it's not that bad. It's a really awesome show, just the quality is sub par. But for some reason I have loved this show forever. 2001 2001.01.11 - London, ENG. Very epic and amazing early 2001 show from the band. Awesome performances, awesome banter, and great quality. 2001.06.29 - Mountain View, CA. A good Ozzfest show. Quality isn't that good at all but it's not completely terrible. I like this show. 2001.09.16 - London, ENG. Obvious reasons. 2001.12.09 - Universal City, CA. I have always really loved this show. The LPLive Remaster version is the best for it. So good. Rare, unique set. And great quality. 2002 2002.02.08 - Uniondale, NY. PR02 was epic as fuck but we don't have too much to work with. This show is my favorite out of all the shows we have. Crazy energy, crazy ass crowd, great banter throughout, solid performances. If this show existed in a DSP style, I guarantee many people would consider it one of the best LP shows of all time. It's underrated as a show. 2003 2003.03.23 - San Francisco, CA. My favorite from the LPU tour. Great quality recording, awesome performances, etc. I love the set with HTF and ETR, too. Can't go wrong with this show. 2003.08.22 - Reading, ENG. If this show existed in a better quality, it would be the greatest LP show of all time. It's amazing. I love the banter, the performances, everything. It is just the epitome of early LP and it's great. The recording isn't good but it's still worth having for sure. 2004 2004.02.02 - Colorado Springs, CO. This was the second LP show I ever listened to back in the day. I love this show not only for those memories, but I also love the show because it's just great. Meteora World Tour is often overlooked and it's underrated. Band sounded fire. Set was amazing. The bass in this recording is annoying but turn on bass reducer and it's not so bad. I love this show a lot. Faint from this show is the best ever, IMO. 2004.06.06 - Adenau, RP. Obvious reasons. 2004.09.05 - Mountain View, CA. Ahh. The holy grail of LP shows right here. Everything about this show is pure amazingness. The banter is awesome. Performances are very solid. Best screams from Chester, ever. The recording is not the absolute best but it's not too bad. Again, if this show existed as a DSP, wow, it would go down in history even more than it already has. The best LP show ever, IMO. 2005 2005.02.18 - Anaheim, CA. I don't love this show but it has a cool set and it has Frgt/10, which is epic, as well as the 6 Collision Course tracks. There were only 2 shows in 2005 so this one was a better choice over Live 8 which most people already have whether it be LPU5 or something else. Quality isn't that great and the performances aren't as amazing as other shows but it's a rare show and it has Frgt/10 so yeah. 2006 2006.08.15 - Sendai, JP. Summer Sonic is often regarded as the best tour the band ever did because of the performances, they were so good. And they are. However, the Osaka and Chiba recordings are just TERRIBLE to me. I hate the crowd noise so much and there are irritating glitches throughout, the sound also isn't that good. Sendai is also bad, but I love the show so much. The banter is my favorite out of any LP show out there. The performances are A+ but the quality of the recording isn't that great. If you can overlook it, it's an amazing show, capturing a special time for the band. The set is already famous because of RME and Qwerty. 2007 2007.04.28 - Berlin, BE. I remember watching the very first clips of this show surface on YouTube right after it happened. Great show. First MTM actual show. Solid performances, a very cool set. I love this show so much. A must have. Also has the best NMS performance, IMO. 2007.07.25 - Auburn, WA. The holy grail of DSP's. The best sounding one of all. The best performance from the band during the entire MTM cycle. Epic banter, the band sounded amazing. God damn I love this show. A must have for any fan. It's also the first show of the best tour the band has ever done, IMO, PR07, for personal reasons. 2008 2008.02.16 - Detroit, MI. I really love this amazing show. Solid performances, great energy from the band, which was rare for this time period of early 2008. The speech before In Pieces is awesome. Really solid performances of songs like APFMH, Faint, In Between, etc. here too. Definitely download it. 2008.07.19 - Camden, NJ. By far the best show of PR08, IMO. Just download it, you will like it. Solid performances, a cool unique set with Chris Cornell on Crawling and We Made It with Busta. SDC during songs. Great speech from Chester before BTH, too, always pumps me up.

Wow I thought only The Crow Stairway To Heaven had that Rhinestone. Didn’t know about this one even though it probably has been info for a long time.

Actually, yeah, you’re right. Let’s use Stuttgart. Maybe we can throw the other into Disc 2.

I think we should go with Graz. Arras wasn’t completely sung and Graz sounds good to me. I’ll edit the main post now.

I added a new BIO with Mike Einziger in DIsc 2 because it was so much better sounding than the performance that I had chosen originally.

I was wondering that too because I would have chosen that for ITE. I couldn't sit and check every single ITE because it would drive me crazy. If someone knows of one or finds one, let me know so I can swap it out. I will find the best for these. No problem man I had fun doing it. And we needed it to be done. The commentary I wanted to do because I felt like people would wonder why they were the best in my own opinion.

Wow, I totally forgot about that Papercut. I think I'm gonna edit my post and use that one instead.

Since JZLP suggested that I make a compilation of the best performances of each song from the DSP’s era, here it is. EDIT: The compilation from JZLP and myself will be released soon.

Those were epic. I remember doing Mama and BIO and that was my favorite one.

Yeah, I’ll have to find it on his FB. Hold on. I’ll edit when I find it. Idk how to link it. I can post a screenshot of it. Maybe you can find it on his page if you look back now that you’ll have to exact post in my screenshot.

No problem, thanks

e That would be epic to have!!!!

Yeah because the copies I got in Boston 2006 have that case but the disc is red and the print and logo on the CD is different.

I was gonna upload it now but I guess I can't. Sorry.

It does. I have it from iTunes!!!