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Hell, I’ll do a HybridXero style list too. Won’t list songs since I already did that. Favorite Albums 1. MTM 2. HT 3. Meteora Can’t rank anything after the first 3 cuz I don’t really care. Sorry. Touring Cycles 1. Meteora 2. MTM 3. HT Favorite Tours 1. PR04 2. PR07 3. MTM Europe 2008 Summer Tour 4. PR08 5. Summer Sanitarium 2003 6. Ozzfest 2001 7. Union Underground Tour 2000 8. P.O.D. Tour 2000 9. MTM Winter US Tour 2008 10. PR03 Favorite Shows 1. Mountain View 2004 2. Auburn 2007 3. Sendai 2006 4. Tokyo 2006 5. Orlando 2000 6. Hollywood 10/31/2000 7. Rapid City 2003 8. Camden 2008 9. Somerset 2004 10. George 2001

In no particular order in terms of favorite. Just went by the order of when they were made. High Voltage: I’ve always loved this song. When I was young and first discovered LP and got into looking up the more rare stuff, this was one track that I absolutely loved. Probably my favorite rapping from Mike ever. Another thing I can say about the song is that it sums up early LP (pre-HT album) the best for me in one track. Crawling: Always has been my favorite song off of HT. The lyrics are amazing and meant a lot to me growing up because of some situations I was in. Chester’s delivery is amazing. His vocals on the album version are killer but I enjoy the demos of the song and stuff too. Faint: Always been my favorite song off of Meteora. Me and my old best friend would always play the song all the time and it was our favorite song (this was prior to MTM). We even made a CD of every Faint we had a recording of and called it The History Of Faint. Hahaha. But anyways, the guitar and drumming is amazing. Mike delivers his classic raps. Chester delivers his classic singing and screaming. All in one song that is quick and just is full of energy. It’s so amazing. The band took the live version to the next level in 2007 with the extended outro. And when they invited fans to play in 2004 that was crazy too. Just an epic song. Qwerty (2006 Live Version): Heaviest song the band has ever made IMO. This live version is amazing. Don’t really like the studio version as much compared to it. Idk what else to say but this song is just amazing. Definitely the most screamy-heavy song of LP, ever, too. I remember when it first dropped and it blew my mind. I used to work at a local now abandoned mall with my at the time best friend and we would crank the HQ rip of it over the speakers of our store that we worked at. Pissed off mall security at one point. Haha. What We Don’t Know: Love this song. It’s a shame it didn’t make the cut on the album. It’s so emotional and I love Chester’s vocals the most here. The guitar work and synth sounds are so good. This is a very MTM era type of song and that’s why I love it so much. It’s also a more rare track that non hardcore fans wouldn’t know and I like it that way. Given Up: Ever since I first heard a clip of this song, I was in love. 18 second scream? Holy shit. The instrumentation is punk like and I love that. Chester’s vocals are next level, even besides the scream. The lyrics are relatable to me. It was always the song I looked most forward to hearing live at any show I went to. Can’t get much better than this song. Bleed It Out (Live Version): I do love the studio version of this song but the live version takes the cake. One with all the extenders. If I’m honest, any version of this song is awesome to me. Just love it. Has an old school LP vibe but done in a different style. The lyrics are also awesome. Kind of captures that haunted house feel that the band recorded the album in in a way. What I’ve Done: Always been my favorite song of all time. It has been ever since the first time that I heard the song and has remained so until this day. Chester here is why. His vocals are the best I have ever heard. His delivery is amazing. The piano really gets me. The guitar is amazing. The drumming is good. It’s all good. It has an epic feeling to it. I also love it live and always looked forward to seeing it live. I remember when the first 30 second clip of the song came out as a ringtone and I had to pretend I was going to the bathroom at school to go listen to it in the hallway. Was blown away even with that small clip. The song defined my life, I don’t think I’ll ever hear a better song in my lifetime. Valentine’s Day: Very amazing song. Love the melody of the vocals and the melancholic vibe of the song. Chester is on fire here once again. It’s a song that is unique in the sense that it doesn’t sound like any other LP song that I have heard. It’s very alternative rock sounding, borderline ‘’emo’’. I love when the song kicks into the heavier part as well. A lot of people think this song is about the literal holiday or whatever and it’s received shit from that. But it’s actually a song about death. It uses a lot of metaphors and stuff. I figured most people would see it but you have to analyze the lyrics which many people don’t do. When I saw this song live in 2008, it was special to me. It was a perfect performance. There were a bunch of crowd surfers during it and my ex-girlfriend ended up getting kicked in the head haha. I also love the fact that it was one of the first songs written for MTM. In Pieces: It’s a song personal to Chester. It’s an amazing song. Never gets old to me. Love the ska type vibe starting in the second verse. Love the guitar solo from Brad. Rob’s drumming is my favorite drumming from him in this song. I even told him that at the Camden 2012 summit. He told me he really always loved this song even though he didn’t get it to play it that much. The Detroit 2008 live version of this song is my favorite live version of it because of Chester’s harsh speech before it but it’s also a good performance. It’s one of those songs that didn’t always have a good performance but sometimes the band could pull it off. The singing is pretty challenging.

Who the hell spends 35 dollars for a t-shirt anyways? Plus the shipping, you're looking at over 40 bucks just for a t-shirt from the LP.com store. The band went downhill in terms of their merch when they started the whole LP as a brand bullshit back in late 2015 or whatever. They have released like 40000000 shirts and all kinds of merch since then and mega costs. Really crazy. Idk who even buys their official merch nowadays. Last merch I bought from them was THP shit.

I agree that the LPU needs to be preserved forever. It has meant a lot to fans over the years, even now. Just because LP isn’t currently active doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t exist at all. Releasing a mediocre LPU demo CD as the first release besides OML Live without Chester wouldn’t be that smart, I agree. If they wanted to keep doing demos, they should have done it in 2017 with LPU17 since it was right in the middle of the Hollywood Bowl show and the OML Live CD. Too much time has passed and since they didn’t do a CD for LPU17 or LPU18, doing one now would definitely draw big attention because of that. Even though I went to 2 M.S. shows in 2018, I didn’t even sign up to meet Mike with the LPU. But I know many fans did. So it still serves a purpose in that regard, too. The merch really isn’t that bad for LPU19, either.

Yeah they probably do honestly. Would be epic to have but I think the only way we could get those would be from Mike himself. Since Rhinestone was for a soundtrack or compilation or whatever I think it might be the only one we get.

Yeah but we aren’t allowed to discuss it or our posts are deleted. Just like what happened to the original post by Astat and my reply. It’s gotta be the one from Stairway to Heaven.

Holy shit!!!!!!!!!! Epic find.

Yup, agreed fully.

GU was actually pretty cool even though it was a live video of sorts. It was done in a different way than I have ever seen a band do a live video, though. I like it. Especially the montage of images during the 18 second scream. LOATR was cool to me too with the whole space concept and it’s just the band aboard a spaceship. I loved the imagery. But yeah WID was just plain epic, loved the meaning they portrayed with the images and stuff. SOTD was also really great to me with the war going on outside. I feel like the world could become that someday. It was a really cool video that I never would have expected for the song. It was unique. As far as Meteora music videos go, I like them all. SIB is my least favorite one but it’s still pretty cool. Has some cringe worthy imagery like the HT videos but it’s not that bad. The fire was cool. Faint was kind of like GU in the sense it was a live video but not really. It’s a cool ass video with the color tone of the Meteora artwork. The last chorus is the best part of the video, though. Has a dirty, urban, grungy feel to it which is what the Meteora artwork was. Numb was a powerful video with that girl showing the emotions of the lyrics. The part where her Mom is yelling at her and the part when she’s at school but alone are powerful. Plus Chester and Mike look cool in the video. FTI is actually my favorite video from Meteora even though it’s not as well known as others for some reason. I think it’s badass, the entire thing. Love it. BTH was super unique at the time for a rock band to do and the story is really awesome. I loved buying the DVD for it back in the day that came with the manga book and making of DVD. Really made me appreciate the video. The Kimo Proudfoot version is also pretty damn epic even though it’s just the band rehearsing as footage. HT videos are nostalgic as hell for me because I used to watch them all the time when I was younger. Watched Frat Party a lot back then which had them all. They are pretty cringe worthy to watch in 2019 because they are so ‘’2000’’ in you will. Like at the time, they were the shit to everyone, but 20 years later or so, they’re just... idk. Crawling is probably my favorite of them all. But I do like them all, they’re just kind of cringey. New Divide was very boring to me. Never really cared for the whole Transformers x LP thing because it was everywhere and it was just annoying to me. Didn’t really like Transformers as a kid or anything, either. It was just the band performing the song in a Transformers esque backdrop with footage from the movie mixed in. Blah. All of the ATS videos are just too weird for me to like. TC and BITS had that end of the world message but they were just kind of weird to me. Iridescent was interesting with some of the imagery but again, very weird. WFTE was boring to me 100%. They’re the kind of music video that you watch once or twice and you’re like ‘’that was weird’’ and don’t watch again. The LT videos were mega boring. BID was the most boring music video I have ever seen. Hated it. Some might love it, idk. LITE was just very bizarre and pointless to me. Didn’t even have the band in the video for a second. Was used as a social media grab with that whole enter your Facebook to interact with the video thing. Blah. COG was basically a plug for Medal Of Honor so blah once again. Powerless was a plug for that Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter movie. The LT videos were shit, sorry. THP’s videos were like ATS in the sense they were just too weird to me. GATS was a plug for the Project Spark game so blah. UIG was very weird. I get that they were trying to portray an end of the world scenario once again with technology being the culprit or whatever but it was just weird AF to me. FM was once again an end of the world type video but it was really weird. Better than the other two but I didn’t really like it that much. OML’s videos were corny. Heavy I guess had a special meaning to Chester but I thought it was corny as all hell. The body double thing was also weird and I don’t think that guy even looked like Chester honestly. GG was the corniest video I have ever seen in my life and I have tried to erase it from my memory. TTM and OML were just montage type videos. I guess OML was sweet for Chester. But not one of my favorites. As far as other videos, I liked the Fort Minor videos from 2005-2006 a lot. They were all good. RTN was my favorite one. The DBS videos were shit, IMO. Hated both. The STP ones I don’t even think I watched. It’s Goin’ Down was great, was cool. Wayne Static being in it was random as hell. Cross Off sucked.

Yeah the LPU6 CD is a classic. At the time that it dropped it was fucking awesome to 16 year old me. Loved ASP and Qwerty studio version, and the live tracks were really great with Qwerty live and RME. PMA was also cool because this was late 2006 before we got so many recordings of it in 2007/2008 plus the one from 2006 is slightly different and better. BTH is actually very good from Japan 2006 too. Japan 2006 is the best the band has ever sounded live next to PR04. But yeah, I totally forgot the scratches on the intro to The Catalyst. Wow. I never listen to ATS so that’s probably why. I bet if I threw it on I could hear some Joe stuff.

I thought most of the Meteora and MTM music videos were amazing. Didn’t really like any of them after LOATR because they just got so weird (the ATS and THP ones), or because they got so boring (LT ones), or corny (OML ones). The HT ones are kind of cringe worthy but they’re nostalgic.

I feel like the band kind of lost themselves when they started feeling the need to make every single thing they did different than the last in such a dramatic fashion. MTM was different but it was a natural progression as far as I’m concerned. Like I said, the record still had elements of the old LP with the heavier songs, the scratching from Joe on WID, etc. It was still a rock album at it’s core, for sure. It did have some songs that were very different from old LP such as HHH and In Between, but they still had an LP feel to them somehow for me. When they started writing for ATS, they really started making weird stuff and stuff that nobody would ever say remotely sounds like LP. Then with LT, they took that idea but tried making it mainstream in structure with adding more electronic stuff, but it was a different kind of electronic than ATS, it was more EDMish. Then they did the stuff with Aoki and put out Recharged which was a EDM remix album 100%. Then they went the total opposite and did a heavy rock/metal/punk/whatever album with THP. Then they went full on pop with OML. They were really all over the place since ATS. And they always had to point out that they will always make radically different stuff than the last. But at what point is that a bad thing? LP has clearly shown the world that they can make any kind of album for the most part. But most bands who experiment and change up their sound and stuff but find that new sound and stay with it. I can’t say I have ever seen any band do what LP has done in those regards. Which I guess is one of the reasons why LP is so big.

Joe does awesome scratches on Announcement Service Public too, when the heavy guitar part kicks in. It’s actually one of my favorite songs that utilizes him, ever. It’s one of my favorite LP songs of all time actually. It’s always forgotten about and never talked about. But yeah, I can hear him on WID, but that one is obvious. Is he on In Pieces? That’s cool. I think he may do something on Valentine’s Day and TLTGYA too but they are buried in the mix. I feel like Joe’s scratching was a big part of the band’s sound prior to MTM. Even though it was rarely discussed. It wasn’t too much. It was just enough. But it was uniquely LP. I guess since MTM was kind of more of an alt. rock type sounding album that maybe it didn’t really go well with it. I remember Mike saying on the MTM DVD that he tried putting rap stuff on songs but he thought it sounded cheesy. Maybe that’s the case for the scratching. But he does do some stuff on MTM. I can’t hear him on ATS even though you provided songs. As far as LT, THP and OML go, I don’t think he is even on those albums. Lol.

Yeah I mean at the time in 2007, it was the first LP did something a little different. So a lot of the nu-metal people hated it. But I don’t think they could have predicted what came next with ATS. Hahahaha. And after that LT and OML. MTM is an excellent record. It’s no secret here that it’s my favorite album. It has some heavy songs like GU, NMS and BIO. Has the best vocals Chester ever delivered IMO throughout the record, especially the more slower stuff. He is amazing on LOATR, SOTD, WID, VD, IP and TLTGYA. And his screaming and stuff on GU, NMS, BIO is next level. Mike’s raps on HHH and BIO are some of my favorite ever from him. Brad’s guitar work on MTM is insanely good. He never played like he did on MTM ever again. Rob fucking kills it on so many songs. Especially In Pieces. I love his drumming on that song so much. I told him that personally in Camden 2012’s Summit. He talked to me about In Pieces and how much he loved MTM for a while actually, I was surprised. Dave is actually audible on bass for some songs on MTM. The whole album is amazing. Nothing will ever top it. It defined me as a person until the day I die, too. It was the soundtrack of my later High School years and after. It has helped me so much in life. The tour was also AMAZING.

Some fans seem to lump MTM with ‘’new LP’’ but it’s really not. They have 7 main albums. MTM is the 3rd out of 7. I would say that ATS is what divides the new and old LP. Even during an interview with Brad in China 2015, he said ‘’Whether people are coming to hear songs off of Hybrid Theory, Meteora, Minutes To Midnight, or the newer stuff, we welcome everyone’’. So even the band regards it as kind of older. MTM even though it wasn’t nu-metal, it still had several heavy rock songs that weren’t too foreign from old LP and even the slower and experimental stuff on the album was still rock, just alt. rock. So during live shows it still mixed really well with Hybrid Theory and Meteora songs. People also love to shit on MTM because it was the first time that the band strayed from nu-metal, but it wasn’t nearly as much of a change as ATS was and onwards. I mean cmon.

Anyone that thinks MTM was a flop commercially is a moron, plain and simple. It was #1 in MANY countries and the touring for it was huge. We got 3 huge US tours, 3 huge Europe tours, an Asian tour (also was gonna have a China one for the final tour but was cancelled), Australia, etc. And so many one off shows and stuff everywhere. Was a huge success for the band. Transformers 1 with WID was huge. SOTD is still played all the time on the radio. Warner let LP do what they wanted for their whole career, especially with MTM. MTM had over 150 songs made in every single genre imaginable. Complete freedom. It’s their best album they ever made and nothing ever compared to it again, same as tours

What I meant was that I think that they had said that originally but don’t know for sure.

Yeah well anyone who knew Chester can say he said anything, I mean, the man is dead, that happens a lot with celebrities and musicians, etc. No doubt that Chester wanted to do something with GD again since he was involved with the reunion show, etc. and talked about it, etc. I just never remember him saying he was going to re-record vocals of their old stuff or make a new album with them, etc. But he could have. I thought somewhere it was said that they wanted to re-release some GD after he passed kind of like as a tribute. A lot of stuff has been deleted from 2017 to now from GD’s social, Sean and Mace’s social, etc. Honestly who really cares because it doesn’t matter either way. It’s just interesting. And yeah I agree that the DBS pop up style shows would have been really great. Chester never said he wanted to make new DBS music again specifically at the time but he did post on Twitter about writing 5 new songs that were ready to go. Someone asked him if it was for DBS and he said maybe, or maybe he would put them out just on his own. So you never know if they could have became DBS songs, maybe after he did those pop up shows he would have wanted to make them DBS songs.

The mix is pretty much the same as the webcast is. I found one source on YouTube that is pretty good like this mix. It’s a good show. My December from it is in particular pretty good actually.

Oh I know I love discussion of any kind about the band nowadays. I was just saying so people didn’t get confused by my op.

Yeah but my whole thread was about after LT. MTM and ATS aren’t heavy or nu-metal really at all, especially ATS. So I’m not one of those fans who only like HT and Meteora. I just think a lot of THP and OML was garbage but that’s my opinion. There are some good tracks on each of those albums. I just don’t think any of those albums live up to the first 5. Once again my opinion. Like I said before, I can listen to the first 5 albums without ever skipping a track because I think they’re all masterpieces. Some of THP and OML, I skip. I actually hate THP a lot more than OML. It’s by far my least favorite LP album and a lot of those fans you talk about only loving the super early days enjoyed THP. Really the entire point of my thread was basically saying that LP was at their peak with LT and could have easily made THP or OML during the ATS sessions if they wanted to. I’m saying that ATS was their ultimate form and that they really haven’t evolved in terms of a band after ATS because ATS was literally them open to anything. You had demos for ATS that sounded like LT (hell, half of LT is ATS songs), THP (Listen to the early ATS demos from LPU14), and pop and electronic sounding songs like OML too, with the subtle guitar that’s buried in the mix like on OML and everything.

Now this thread is getting good. Great points by everyone. I’d love for LP to go independent in the future. But who knows. Warner was a thorn in their side during their career at times. I still feel like LT was the last truly epic album (the stuff after it do have some good tracks though).

Yeah, I feel like that’s what society has come to nowadays. People only read something if it’s like a sentence or less and it has to use abbreviations like ‘’u’’ instead of you, etc.

Is the remix for Jesus tho

Yeahhhh I’m crazzyyyy. Got those mental issues, ya know? Thanks for not bothering to read what I wrote though. Really contributes to the thread in a big way.