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They could try and work out a deal with the songwriters to pay them a flat fee since it's not being released in a very public way and therefore probably won't bring as much money in as an actual proper release would (this would essentially function the same as a work-for-hire contract, just done after the fact). But more likely, they would just get paid the songwriting royalty they'd get paid if it was released normally. LP/their management registers all the songs (even LPU demos) with BMI, and that's who's actually responsible for ensuring songwriters get paid for their contribution. It'd presumably work exactly the same, but management would probably have to manually report the sales (assuming they don't already) since it's not being distributed through any of the public services (Spotify, Apple Music, Tidal etc.).

Genuine question for you. Is it actually possible for you to show you like something without trashing something else?

I'll be having no Things In My Jeep slander on the forums

Yeah whenever artists do this kind of deep dive into the production of their tracks, most people love it even if they're not producers/musicians. Maybe treat it like art streams where he does it every once and a while in between the CoronaJam streams. People could redeem ShinodaBucks to request specific songs. I think it'd be cool.

The other factor is not all services process tracks at the same speed. Spotify and Apple Music are usually pretty fast (within a week at most), but it's typically expected to give a few weeks of lead time so all the big services get the tracks and can post them at the same time.

You mean Hold It Together? Yeah, he said they filmed a video for it but the hard drive that all the footage was on got stolen, so it never got released

I mean, they just wanted to try something new. I don't really understand the sentiment that "outside collaborators = bad". There's a purist argument to having everything done solely by you/your band, but I've always thought bringing in third-parties to work with brings new ideas to the table and can take songs in new directions that they might not have gone in otherwise. They basically had the exact same songwriting process for 20 years or so. Why not flip it up for an album and start with lyrics and bring in outside collaborators. Like you said, it's not like the band just performed songs other people wrote for them. The usual songwriters in the band were still in the room for the entire album. It's also not like they replaced Joe or Phoenix with Jon Green or Ilsey Juber. They probably wouldn't have been helping with that part of the process anyway. They did get credit on BMI, so they probably are getting songwriting royalties. But again, it'd be in poor taste to have all these outside songwriters bundled in with 3-5 other people who didn't actually help write the songs. Like, "Why do these guys get the same credit I do when I actually did the work", ya know?

One shitty remix project at a time my dudes... But yeah, these are downright awful. The original was bad, but I'd be ashamed to have my name attached to these.

There's a very good chance they didn't contribute much to the writing of the other albums too. The Messenger was entirely Chester, Mike, and Brad, but all 6 members have a writing credit. CFTI is basically all Joe with some help from Mike, but all 6 members have a writing credit (except for Phoenix cause he only got credit on the Xero era songs for HT). If you told me 90% of the band's catalog was written by exclusively Mike, Brad, and Chester with Joe, Phoenix, and Rob just playing the parts Mike wrote for them/maybe giving them their own flair, I'd believe you. Until OML, they'd pretty much just slapped all their names on every song they released cause it was basically all in-house so if that's how they wanted to split the songwriting royalties/credit, they could with no issue. Once you start bringing in third-parties, though, you have to look at who's actually contributing to the writing process and credit them as such; both for actual royalties and just as an etiquette/respect thing.

Yup, cause losing one of your best friends and trying to make sense of everything in the wake of that reads the exact same as wanting to dictate to others and feeling like you must always be in charge. You really are an expert of analysis, truly. I'm genuinely not sure at this point if you actually believe half of what you say on here or if you just like being contrarian to stir the pot. And this is exactly it. Songwriters basically get paid from a different pot than performing artists/labels. Writing something entirely in-house and then splitting it equally among the band members is pretty common. Having other writers on the project and still splitting everything equally among band members who didn't actually write on the songs/letting them double up is very, very uncommon and downright disrespectful to the other writers.

Well I see you haven't changed at all

You've had almost 3 years to come up with a new/better joke man, come on

Here's what I wound up with. Having COG vs OML so early really stung

(spoiler it's both lol)

They can't really market it as Chester's "lost music" if people already have access to it because it came out in the 90s. Of course they're gonna try and stamp out whatever they can of the old stuff. That's what people who only care about $$$ would do.

If Mike were selling jackets that blatantly exploited Chester's image and persona, I'd agree with you. What he did instead was sell jackets and merch that made use of his own personal brand that he had never used prior, with LP or otherwise. No one is saying Grey Daze can't or shouldn't exist, nor that they can't use Chester in the marketing (he's on the album so it'd be ridiculous to do otherwise). Using images of him performing with another band that is the only reason anyone cares about this album and basing everything on the idea that "he's gone so now this is his lost music" just screams cashgrab.

Wow this is really not good. Shame cause Mike and Lights is kind of a dream collab, but this is very easily the worst of the Aoki tracks

Then the issue isn't with Castro (that could be taken real bad out of context lol) or anyone else with a negative opinion about the band. If fans can't take any amount of criticism towards the thing they like without lashing out against them, that's a sad reflection on them. I'm not expecting an "Oh, you're right the song IS bad" response. Just a "If that's your take then that's your take" or, even better, a "What about it don't you like". Something that encourages actual discussion or at the very least isn't outright dismissive of someone's opinion.

Oh come on that's ridiculous. So the only responses that should be allowed are positive ones? He said the song sounded bad, didn't say anyone who liked it was dumb or had bad taste or anything, and then everyone piled on. There wasn't a discussion or debate or anything like that. Just "lol guess Geki's back" and "wow you hate something what else is new". He doesn't like the song, and he's allowed to say as much

Guys, the man's allowed to dislike the song...

1. What I've Done (2020 Version) 2. When They Come For Me 3. Good Goodbye/Bleed It Out 4. Roads Untraveled 5. Nobody Can Save Me 6. Iridescent (2020 Version) 7. Castle Of Glass 8. Sorry For Now (Ext. Bridge w/ 'High Voltage' v1) 9. Until It Breaks (Shortened (Through Chester's Verse)) 10. Waiting For The End/Hands Held High (Apaches Intro w/ 'Until It Breaks' v3; Sing-a-Long Outro) 11. Invisible 12. Numb (2020 Version; Oppenheimer Outro) 13. Burning In The Skies 14. Heavy 15. Leave Out All The Rest (2017 Version) 16. Final Masquerade 17. Papercut (2020 Intro; Ext. Outro) ---------------------------------- 18. Blackout (Shortened (Outro Only)) 19. One More Light 20. Rebellion (Ext. Bridge w/ 'A Place For My Head' v1) 21. In The End

How would sales be impacted at all? The vast majority, if not all, physical sales would happen online and obviously streaming/digital downloads wouldn't be impacted at all. They're not touring on this. If they said vinyl/CD shipments were delayed until later, that'd make sense, but postponing the whole album is strange.

Yeah I thought the whole thing here is that this is "Chester's lost music" or whatever. It'd make more sense to capitalize on that and use old pictures of Chester

Well, the LFY stems are from Rock Band, so that's less of a glitch/problem and more of just how it works with those games.