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If you could rip the audio from the CD and post it, that'd be awesome, to see if it's stuff we already have. A live show would be a great addition to the zip, too. Really, thanks again for helping me so much with this. I'm glad I rediscovered them - they're really talented. Could you ask him about The Red Disaster, by the way? I'm just really curious about it. EDIT AGAIN: V. 1.1 of The Complete Rosewood Fall has been released.

Oh damn it, I forgot about Rapidshare changing the permissions. I'll fix that now. In regards to Bitter Pill and Again, were they released in LPA's dump? If so, I might have accidentally pulled them out because I didn't hear any significant differences. I'll check once I'm back on my main computer tonight.

Wow, Energy, all of that is awesome, especially the background information regarding some of the tracks. Coming Up Drum & Bass and Driving Salinas are actually already in the tracklisting for Right as provided in the zip, but thank you anyway. I'll throw Out Out in there. Thank you so much for helping. I'll update the zip with the cover art scans as well (never saw the cover for Right before).

I like when artists take breaks from recording to do other shit. I don't blame them for not wanting to tour and record in an endless cycle until they're nearly dead. It makes me wonder about Chester's claim of releasing an album every 18 months, but whatever.

5'' vinyl? 5'' vinyl isn't a thing that's pressed, what did you expect? That's literally vinyl at CD size. I keep seeing this topic float back to the top of this section and I'm always like "what in the fuck could they possibly be talking about?"

Sometimes it feels like no one in this band knows what they're talking about when it comes to their music. I'd love to hear more Collision Course-related tracks if they exist, though.

And when's the last time you read a nu-metal article that didn't tear the genre to shreds? (Not directed at you, Skipees, just using a general 'you')

But that's precisely the point I'm making - Nirvana's cultural impact was significantly helped by Kurt's suicide. It took a huge band of the grunge movement that might've otherwise fizzled into obscurity after In Utero and made it immortal, because there's an allure to the idea of Cobain killing himself because he couldn't handle the fame. Kurt Cobain became a martyr and ensured that Nirvana would never be forgotten as a result. You took what I said and twisted it in a way that doesn't make sense and also completely muddles what I was saying. All of those examples? They remain in the public eye primarily because of how they ended. That's not the entirety of why they became part of history, but it remains a big part. It further helps that those musicians went out, for the most part, at the height of their fame. If something horrible had happened to Chester or Mike that caused the band to dissolve during the HT/Meteora days, then music critics would start preaching that the band is legendary and hugely influential. Because that's our culture. That's what we glorify. That's what we make immortal. I'd suggest that Mike Shinoda will become a big figure in music history separately from LP because of everything he does outside of the band. This isn't the topic for that, though, so I won't go into that.

Nirvana is "legendary" because Kurt Cobain blew his fucking face off, don't go there.

No, come on, throw down. Give me reasons why I'm wrong. I'm not saying LP isn't a great band (I wouldn't be here if I thought that). What I don't like is when I perceive people as overstating LP's influence, an influence that we won't be able to see anytime soon. What I see right now is a band that had three huge successes and has been moving towards marginalization for the past six years. Moving towards does not mean it has happened in any huge fashion yet, but ATS and LT definitely have not had the reach or impact that the previous three did. The singles dropped off the charts ridiculously quick. Warner doesn't seem to give a shit about promotion. Hell, they barely even toured their fucking home country this year (which I'm bringing up more for personal reasons, so feel free to strike this from my argument). I have yet to see a major player in the music industry that specifically lists LP as one of their influences in interviews. The reason I don't see LP as a legendary band is simply because you don't become legendary in 13 years, not in our era of music. They're not Pink Floyd in the 70s. They're not Aerosmith in...well, the 70s. They're not Springsteen in the 80s. They're just not. They weren't, and never were, at that level of ridiculous sales and almost unrealistically universal praise. I think we still have to wait and see what LP becomes in the timeline of music history. Will they be considered a major influence in the overall sound of rock music? Or will they become a gimmick, a footnote in textbooks when talking about the nu-metal "movement" of the late 90s and early 2000s? We don't know yet.

That doesn't allow them to be classified as legends in 2013. Give them twenty years and see if people still care to the extent that they care about The Rolling Stones, or Aerosmith, or the Beastie Boys. Legends are legends because of the absurd level of influence and impact they've had on music, not because their first album sold 10 million copies and everyone thought they were a band for emo middle schoolers.

Steve Hyden has no fucking idea what he's talking about.

I guess in that case Warner wanted a really, really good follow-up to MTM, which came out of fucking nowhere and went gold in its first week. Then they were handed ATS and gave up on LP, maybe. I don't know.

Way more expensive and way less useful (even less than it already is).

Ugh. I loved Fear and Drum Song. Next to ATL, those were the highlights of LPU 9 by a huge margin.

A.06 had lyrics at one point? Why the hell didn't we get that version on LPU 9?

They're not commercially available, so there's no need to put Warner's logo on them.

Warner still owns all of the rights to LP's entire catalogue. Machine Shop is an imprint of Warner - that means everything Machine Shop releases belongs to Warner. If LP leaves Warner, they lose Machine Shop.

You know the Warner Bros. corporate conglomerate is one of the largest record label collectives in the world, right? They own tons of subsidiaries. Most small-time record labels you hear about (like Fueled by Ramen) are owned by Warner Music Group, meaning they have hundreds of artists at their direct or indirect disposal. Anyway, my point with that list is that you have to go down about ten bands to find one more relevant than LP right now (A7X). Then you've got Disturbed, Devo, The Flaming Lips, John Fucking Frusciante... Looking at the list, it's no wonder Warner lets LP do whatever they want now. They made their money for the label, and in the eyes of the company, as long as they reach gold certification with each major release, the label doesn't give a shit.

Hell no.

It's been going on at least since the contract negotiations in 2005. I find this topic's timing hilarious considering Phoenix mentioned in the chat that the band's in a great place with Warner right now, able to do just about whatever the fuck they want.

Oh I highly doubt that. Labels make their money primarily off of album sales, and Warner's an enormous corporate conglomerate with over a hundred artists, easy. LP might've been a huge moneymaker back in 2007, but certainly not now.

Good fucking luck if they try that. LP ain't Metallica. If they leave Warner, they're not getting shit.

You guys are acting like Warner's marketing tactics are somehow worse than LP doing it themselves. I guarantee you that if LP went independent after their contract was up, you'd never hear another new LP song on the radio ever again. That's the reality of big-name labels - the marketing machine. Warner can throw millions of dollars into marketing for LP - they just didn't, for whatever reason. Has LT even gone gold yet? If LP split from Warner, in order to keep themselves relevant they'd have to sign with another label. Going independent isn't an option for them, unless of course they want to be that band that sells less than 100,000 copies of each of their future albums for the diehards.

That would be useful to have, since I guess that's the closest thing to "official" cover art we'll have for the album. Do you happen to know what The Red Disaster was? There were two tracks from it (tracks 2 and 11 apparently) included in the original dump, both of which were included in the Stereo compilation.