RogueSoul Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 You're not allowed to share it here, so have fun with the bad Youtube quality that'll be taken down an hour after it's uploaded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlassCastles Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I hope LP avoids using VyRT in the future unless they/the label loosen their grip on releasing live shit for money. If the download was offered, I would have bought a ticket day one. Side note: By "live shit", I do not mean breathing, self-aware fecal matter. That would be a terrifying thing to exist and I would hope people would keep that under lock and key for the sake of us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZLP-NaughtyNottingham Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 You're not allowed to share it here, so have fun with the bad Youtube quality that'll be taken down an hour after it's uploaded Don't worry I believe in the rippers, LPBits rocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctgerrard Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Don't worry I believe in the rippers, LPBits rocks. You're disgusting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlassCastles Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 You're disgusting Why? Because he wants to hear the show more than once? I'm paying for it and I'm definitely going to look for a rip afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coizu Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 As said before the lack of download is due to Linkin Park's Record Label, not VyRTYou claim it all the time but do you have an actual source for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctgerrard Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) Maybe the record label understands that linkin park fans leak content on LPBits and that's why they don't want to offer the download, I really hope no one gets a good quality rip from the show because if you don't pay for it you don't deserve to watch it. Why? Because he wants to hear the show more than once? I'm paying for it and I'm definitely going to look for a rip afterwards. no because he wants to rip off a small company you want something, you pay for it Edited September 10, 2014 by ctgerrard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coizu Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Yes the VyRT team So you know it but no one else? How come you have the information? As long as there is no official statement that everyone can read it's just badmouthing LP's management in my opinion. Also no one wants to rip off a small company. We, as the fans, feel ripped off. The customer is the one who have to be satisfied and that's what a company should care for and not the other way around... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctgerrard Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 So you know it but no one else? How come you have the information? As long as there is no official statement that everyone can read it's just badmouthing LP's management in my opinion. Also no one wants to rip off a small company. We, as the fans, feel ripped off. The customer is the one who have to be satisfied and that's what a company should care for and not the other way around... no lots of other people know, people who logged on and had a chat with the admins of the site, who, if you ask them a question will explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeardyWilderness Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 no because he wants to rip off a small company you want something, you pay for it Firstly, ripping off a small company? The small company are ripping off the fans. 40 bucks for a one-time-only live stream. And don't try to fucking sugarcoat it, it is what it is. Do you know how many live proshots we have from Linkin Park just this year alone? Enough for this one not to be a 'one off VIP' show. Secondly, 'you want something, you pay for it' - wanna introduce you to this new thing, bruv. It's called the internet. It's called file sharing. Do you not support that? Do you pay for the pornography you watch on RedTube? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctgerrard Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Firstly, ripping off a small company? The small company are ripping off the fans. 40 bucks for a one-time-only live stream. And don't try to fucking sugarcoat it, it is what it is. Do you know how many live proshots we have from Linkin Park just this year alone? Enough for this one not to be a 'one off VIP' show. Secondly, 'you want something, you pay for it' - wanna introduce you to this new thing, bruv. It's called the internet. It's called file sharing. Do you not support that? Do you pay for the pornography you watch on RedTube? sorry im not sad enough to watch porn, and if you have so many why do you need to rip this one? and why do you think the music industry has to charge more? because of file sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeardyWilderness Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) sorry im not sad enough to watch porn, and if you have so many why do you need to rip this one? and why do you think the music industry has to charge more? because of file sharing. Everyone watches porn, you liar. I have no personal need to rip it, but some people are collectors. I support that. Edit - also, this isn't anything to do with the industry. Live streams have nothing to do with the financial stability of the music industry. Is that $40 going to go back into the small bands that are trying to make it? What exactly does that $40 per person do to help revive the industry? Edited September 9, 2014 by Wilderness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctgerrard Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Everyone watches porn, you liar. I have no personal need to rip it, but some people are collectors. I support that. Edit - also, this isn't anything to do with the industry. Live streams have nothing to do with the financial stability of the music industry. Is that $40 going to go back into the small bands that are trying to make it? What exactly does that $40 per person do to help revive the industry? no my point is, you rip a stream, you're more than likely to download ripped music as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeardyWilderness Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 If I do, I can guarantee I feel less guilty when I'm downloading a $40 live set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueSoul Posted September 9, 2014 Author Share Posted September 9, 2014 This is all going downhill... As a long-time user of VyRT, I personally don't feel comfortable ripping anything from it. As Linkin Park fans I understand there's many different places we can get downloads (even here in our forums). The thing about the VyRT team is - the get leaks taken down fast. Sure, maybe a performance of one song or two will stay on Youtube, but full recordings will be taken down within a day. If you're looking to get a rip of the show - all the power to ya. You may not get it as easily as you think you will. That being said, let's stop talking about the implications of downloading this. If you want to discuss it further, take it to the VyRT thread I setup awhile ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinMark Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Spot the Mars fanboy Well this thread made me smile so thanks everyone. You all deserve orange badges (I charge $25 though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hahninator Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Maybe the record label understands that linkin park fans leak content on LPBits and that's why they don't want to offer the download, I really hope no one gets a good quality rip from the show because if you don't pay for it you don't deserve to watch it. While I support purchasing the show to watch, you are literally hurting not a single person by sharing it afterwards. Of course the record label understands fans share everything - LPLive was THE headquarters for sharing all DSPs until they were banned, so for 2.5 to 3 years, we posted every single one as the band encouraged it. They all know the fans collect the shit, the band knows it, etc and they support it. Don't be a troll and say you hope no one gets a good quality rip from the show - that's one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. I will promote the VyRT thing all day so fans purchase it and buy it and hopefully show LP management that the fans like this sort of thing (to do in the future, perhaps) but that's just idiotic to say you hope no one can see it afterwards. No one is dumb enough to think that the LP fans that collect every single live thing will let something go unrecorded like that, lol. If the content is not available on demand afterwards or for download then we have no choice but to allow it to be shared. @graveguard: I tried reaching out to have an open dialogue with LP management about offering a download of the show for a certain price but they didn't even take the two minutes of their day to respond. Then I was told by someone else closer to the band that their management refuses it to be purchased for download. It very likely (just assuming) has something to do with Mars getting some of the profits as LP is pretty supportive of releasing live shit for profit (the DSP program went from 2007-2012). I also want to watch the show afterwards, so I will be grabbing the show afterwards as well. This wouldn't be such a problem to people that DISAGREE with sharing if more people purchased it in the first place. At least support the platform, the idea, the band and the concept here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astat Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) I know exactly how they work and to get on here you need to answer questions about linkin park then get accepted by an admin, therefore not open publicly. and it is Linkin park or the record label stopping it from being downloadable so take that up with them Sorry LPL's popular enough to have issues with spam bots that require some preventative action on behalf of staff. I know you come from the 30STM community which probably isn't big enough to be a major spam bot target, so I forgive you for not being familiar with the concept. As said before the lack of download is due to Linkin Park's Record Label, not VyRT In other words, no different than any of the other webcast shows that have been aired in the past. Those weren't made available for download after the fact either, and we ripped those. Funny how you've been completely silent on the matter for years until it happened to involve your pseudo-god's cash cow "premium streaming company." You don't care about us ripping this because you're fundamentally opposed to the concept, you care about it because boo-hoo, your band's frontman with his net worth of close to fucking $150 million wants us all to drop a couple Jacksons on something we can't even re-watch after the fact. You're disgusting You're brainwashed. Maybe the record label understands that linkin park fans leak content on LPBits and that's why they don't want to offer the download, I really hope no one gets a good quality rip from the show because if you don't pay for it you don't deserve to watch it. Yes the VyRT team no because he wants to rip off a small company you want something, you pay for it Yes, you want something, you pay for it. And if you pay 40 fucking dollars to watch something, you damn well better be able to watch it as many times as you fucking want to afterwards. We don't give a shit about the 30STM recording of this show. You can spend how ever much you want on it, download it, watch it to your heart's content, masturbate to it, what the fuck ever. Nobody on LPL is going to deprive of you of the exclusivity of that. I guarantee you won't see any of us torrenting the 30STM portion of the show, because as a Linkin Park fansite, that's not what we care about. Put yourself in our position of being expected to pay the same amount of money you are for this VyRT broadcast even though we don't get to re-watch our band's performance and you do. That's not your problem, it's not VyRT's problem, and it's not our problem. VyRT isn't going to lose any money (I know that will fall on deaf ears, but whatever), 30STM fans aren't going to see their band's set leaked all over the Internet, and LP fans will get a recording of their band's set like they should have in the first place. Everybody wins, except Warner...and any 30STM fan who's seen Artifact should harbor the same hatred for record labels that we do, so I HIGHLY doubt you'll argue in their favor. BTW, I already bought the $14.99 option before the LP VIP ticket was added. I'm not just playing armchair quarterback here, I'm supporting the VyRT platform just as I've been asked to for the privilege of watching the show. And I intend to make sure I can subsequently re-watch the LP performance as many times as I want to, as I should be entitled to for the money I've spent. You don't buy an album on iTunes and only get to listen to it once, you don't purchase a car and only get to drive it once, you don't buy a game from Gamestop and only get to play it once. That's fucking common sense. This should be no exception. Edited September 9, 2014 by Astat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pez Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I think this whole thing is pretty redicilous. I was able to pay $50 AUD the other night to see 3 of my favorite bands at my local concert venue. I'd much rather that then having to pay that much for a webcast. I also work for a company that offers Webcasting, streaming and on demand playback for clients. I know how much a professional webcast will cost to execute. The $40 charge is way to accessive for what they are offering IMO. I see nothing but profit to VyRT's pockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZLP-NaughtyNottingham Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 ctgerrard is just the perfect type of what Jared Leto wants his fans to be like... maniac robots that will follow ''the rock of god'' and will jump from a bridge if he says so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipees Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Wait, I just don't get your major point here. If people bought the live ticket ($15), supports the VyRT/Company/Leto, and since they don't have any other option to download BECAUSE VyRT can't do nothing except webcasting it, they want to download the show from somewhere else, how exactly VyRT/Company/Leto loses money? After the webcast they can't make any money from it, and obviously it'll be shared only after the show. It's not that people don't pay for it because they know they'll find a download anyway (but because the price is too high part of them will do so anyway). It's not how most of the LP community behaves and thinks, especially here. Another thing is, VyRT production crew is already there since they're webcasting the 30STM show anyway, the LP show is just extra, extra profit for VyRT, extra payment for the crew, extra show for us. You're welcomed here whenever you want, but I'll suggest you to take this conversation back to the VyRT forum (unless you're working there already). Explain to the company that LP community aren't kind of people that will pay for Super Duper Deluxe Package for $999.99 (!!) that includes CD, DVD, Vinyl and some more random stuff (+"A very special personal thank you call from the Band themselves") like 30STM last album had. We had a full grievance-concert for half of it, and not because of stinginess - because nobody will pay for something that's not worth it. Another different aspect is that most of the Echlons/VyRTers (or whatever you call yourselves) are paying with their parents' credit card so they don't really care what the price is. LP community ages range is more older, and most of them pay for themselves, which automatically lead to think if it's worth it or not. By the way, VIP Ticket ($40 in total) - extra $25 for something you don't exactly know what is it, and a badge that you can't even change its color - is just a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[AndOne] Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 They should offer this for on demand, I respect this once in a life time concept but I don't really feel like watching a live stream at 6 am in the morning. Even if you buy an on demand movie (for a few bucks) you can watch it a couple of times and not just once. $15 watch it once and $40 watch it again as many times as you like, would make sense but is still extremely overpriced. Even a physical live release on bluray is cheaper than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpliveusername Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Serious question:What "VyRT" means? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgr Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 you want something, you pay for it good luck getting bazinga! to take a moral stance on this one... seriously, LPL is not the only community of people who'll be interested in having a replayable version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedamian58c Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I think that it should definitely be ripped off, mostly because it's something that you can watch only once and then it "disappears". If you could buy it, like it was with DSP's then it wouldn't be so much need for ripping it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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