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No. GU was just inspired by it or something along those lines.

Wow. A Carnivores Tour show was your favorite from THP era? Interesting.

Clearly... This was a really solid LPTV. I really liked how they did the dedicated/remembrance section.

Dylan, at this point it shouldn't even be remotely surprising that we share the same opinion/thought on something

Thanks! Really expected Beijing to be the only full source we'd get for these shows. Glad to have been proven wrong!

1. Mashup Intro #2 (w/ 'Session', '1stp Klosr', 'The Requiem', 'The Summoning', 'The Catalyst', 'Guilty All The Same') 2. Guilty All The Same 3. *Alternate Song* (By Myself, Given Up, No More Sorrow, Blackout, Victimized, Keys To The Kingdom, War) 4. Papercut 5. Lost In The Echo 6. *Alternate Song* (With You, Points Of Authority, Figure.09, All For Nothing, Wastelands) 7. Rebellion 8. From The Inside 9. *Alternate Song* (Step Up, High Voltage [2000 Version], Hands Held High, Empty Spaces/When They Come For Me, Until It Breaks [Through Chester's Part]) 10. Waiting For The End (Apaches Intro w/ 'Until It Breaks' v3; Wall of Noise Outro) 11. *Alternate Song* (Pushing Me Away, Breaking The Habit, Leave Out All The Rest, Burning In The Skies, Iridescent, In My Remains, Tinfoil/Powerless) 12. Final Masquerade 13. Castle Of Glass (Experience Version; Bridge w/ 'Wisdom, Justice, And Love' Speech Samples; Oppenheimer Outro) 14. Mark The Graves 15. *Alternate Song* (Numb, Shadow of The Day, New Divide, Burn It Down, Until It's Gone) 16. In The End 17. What I've Done (Ext. Guitar Solo Bridge) 18. Fallout (Extended w/ 'Darker Than Blood' Vox) 19. The Catalyst 20. A Line In The Sand ----------------------------- 21. The Requiem 22. The Radiance (w/ Savio Speech Scratch) 23. Wretches And Kings 24. *Alternate Song* (Lying From You, Faint, QWERTY, Bleed It Out [bridge w/ 'RME' v1, Drum Solo]) 25. A Place For My Head (Guitar Solo Intro) 26. One Step Closer (Ext. Outro) Personally, this is enough for the band to go on tour with just one setlist. They're clearly not interested in doing 2-3 completely different sets anymore, so one with 6 different points where they can alternate songs is enough. They could easily have a decent sized tour with no two shows being the same using this method, and it'd be a good way to sneak rarities in there (By Myself, Victimized, QWERTY, Step Up etc.)

LOL It's true, though. LP has never struck me has a band that's great at improvising things, and something like this is something that just won't happen.

Yeah, it says that for every LT-era show and the first 3 2014 shows where Mike rapped part of UIB over WFTE.

I legit started crying at that point. It was just too much for me.

Um, no it isn't. 99% sure you mean UIB, not UIG.

Set M 1. The Requiem 2. The Radiance (w/ Savio Speech Scratch) 3. Wretches and Kings 4. QWERTY (2006 Version) 5. No More Sorrow (Long Intro) 6. From The Inside 7. Empty Spaces 8. When They Come For Me 9. Victimized 10. Blackout 11. Keys To The Kingdom 12. Until It Breaks (Shortened (Intro/First Verse/Second Chorus/Chorus Only)) 13. Waiting For The End (Apaches Intro w/ 'Until It Breaks' v3; Wall of Noise Outro) 14. Castle Of Glass (Experience Version; Bridge w/ 'Kenji' v1 + 'Wisdom, Justice, and Love' Speech Samples; Oppenheimer Outro) 15. Roads Untraveled (Piano Intro) 16. Drawbar (Shortened (Piano Ending Only)) 17. Final Masquerade (Short Synth Transition Outro) 18. The Catalyst 19. In The End 20. Numb (Numb/Encore Intro/Outro + v1 Guitar) 21. Bleed It Out (Ext. Intro w/ 'Reading My Eyes' v1; Ext. Bridge w/ Drum Solo + Sing-a-Long; Ext. Ending) ------------------------ 22. What I've Done (AMBO Intro; Ext. Guitar Solo Bridge; Ext. Piano Outro w/ 'Darker Than Blood' v1 + Chorus) 23. A Line In The Sand 24. Lost In The Echo 25. Faint (Ext. Outro) 26. A Place For My Head 27. One Step Closer (Ext. Outro)

I guess you could say that in the end, it doesn't even matter

Don't Stay is on that list. Interesting. Or not. Maybe. I don't really know, actually.

I kind of hope they pursue that "folky" direction some of the LT tracks had initially. Or maybe some tracks in the vein of A Line In The Sand (a hybrid of ATS and THP). A whole album of that would be fucking incredible.

I really doubt Chester can. When he's with STP, his voice isn't NEARLY pushed to the limits it's pushed at when he plays with LP. He has parts that are substantially higher or just flat out more challenging on his voice with LP than with STP. Granted, if they kept this general setlist layout, they COULD do two hours. But, if they start doing standard setlists again, no way can Chester handle it.

1. Mark The Graves 2. What I've Done (Ext. Guitar Solo Bridge) 3. In The End 4. Lying From You (2008 Intro) 5. All For Nothing 6. Keys To The Kingdom (Hard Start) 7. No More Sorrow (Long Intro; Drum Transition Outro) 8. Bleed It Out (Drum Solo Intro) 9. Empty Spaces 10. When They Come For Me 11. From The Inside 12. In My Remains 13. Numb ('Numb/Encore' Intro/Outro + v1 Guitar) 14. Hands Held High (Shortened (Intro/First Verse/Chorus Only)) 15. Waiting For The End (Apaches Intro w/ 'Hands Held High' v2; Wall of Noise Outro) 16. Drawbar (Shortened (Piano Ending Only)) 17. Final Masquerade 18. Castle Of Glass (Experience Version; Ext. Bridge w/ 'Wisdom, Justice, And Love' Speech Samples + 'Kenji' v1; Oppenheimer Outro) 19. Burn It Down 20. New Divide 21. Rebellion (Ext. Outro) ----------------------- 22. Fallout (w/ 'Darker Than Blood' Vox) 23. A Line In The Sand 24. Blackout 25. Faint (Ext. Outro) 26. One Step Closer (Ext. Outro) 27. Lost In The Echo (Ext. Outro)

1. Those one minute things add up. DTB is one minute, Joe's Medley is two, Robot Boy is two etc. Drop those, and you have time for both Keys and War. It's a rarity for LP, sure, but it's a rarity in the same vein as Robot Boy. It's not needed at all, and it serves little to no purpose in the set. 2. I agree with the flow thing. It's very top heavy right now, leaving the last 2/3 to rather boring stuff. Especially the tracks right after COG. Ballad Medley -> Burn It Down is SO boring. The encore is also pretty shitty right now, but I disagree on the WID thing. With the solo, it's a really amazing live song right now. It's one of my favorite Brad solos. It shouldn't be in the encore, though, I agree. 3. 100% agree about BIO. It's such a shitty closer right now with just the sing-a-long. It was epic back in 2010-2011 when there was shit like "RME v1, Drum Solo, APFMH v1 + Bridge". That was fucking incredible. Hell, even the last show of the Fall Euro tour last year had a pretty sweet BIO. Right now, it's boring, and it's definitely not a closer.

Right now, while Fort Minor is back and active, drop the FM stuff from the LP shows. Use those slots to play shit like WAK, WTCFM, LITE, or some new shit like Keys or AFN.

The band is really inconsistent with their attitude towards their setlist. "We have to play the singles that the casuals love" - plays Robot Boy, Joe's Medley etc. "We want to play more new stuff live" - Drops half the songs from their new album within a year "We'll drop Crawling first" - Crawling is in full now It seems like they WANT to try some riskier stuff, but they just don't feel comfortable doing it. I mean, the band LOVED stuff like LITE, WTCFM, NMS, GATS etc., but they drop those for shit that bores them. They don't HAVE to play every single they've released in their setlist, but they seem to think they do for some reason. Them dropping ITE for APFMH based on "fan vote", which totally went in favor of ITE, is really the prime example that the band WANTS to play deeper cuts, but they still feel obligated to make sure no single goes untouched. I mean, think about it. How many singles from LP's discography haven't been played on this cycle in some form? One. Burning In The Skies.

I get the feeling the band takes a lot of feedback from crowd reaction. For example, on the LT tour, the newer songs got a pretty good reaction. LITE, BID, LGM, COG, and Victimized definitely seemed to get the crowd pumped up. The cycle for THP, however, has had the opposite effect. The crowd just doesn't know any of the newer songs, at least in the US, which probably plays a role in why they were dropped. Guilty was an anticlimactic opener solely because the crowd didn't get into it all that much. The hardcore fans loved it, but that's really it. That was the case for pretty much all the songs from THP that they tried to play. Wastelands and Final Masquerade get the best reactions, from what I've seen, and that's why they're still around. So, the band probably has the mentality of "Why bother learning these new songs when they'll blow up for Numb or Faint?", and rightfully so. The remaining songs from THP would be somewhat difficult to pull off live, especially when compared to the simpler shit from the early albums. I mean, we complain about the Ballad Medley on here all the time, but the crowd fucking loves it. Why would they drop that when they know 90% of the people who go to shows love it for Mark The Graves, a song that I guarantee you only 5% of the crowd would get excited for? Is there a better balance they could find? Absolutely. Hell, I'm the self-proclaimed "Setlist Master", and I've found tons of ways to improve the set by maintaining shit the crowd loves and incorporating new shit. But, I don't think the band wants to put that effort in anymore. There's also Chester's voice to consider, especially since 3/4 of the remaining THP songs they didn't play would be really hard on him. I'm pretty sure his voice is the reason stuff like Robot Boy and Joe's Solo, both of which get little reaction, are still being played. They give Chester a break. I'm also sure Brad not wanting to learn the songs plays a role, since all four of the remaining THP songs are actually relatively difficult on guitar by LP standards. I'm sure singles will be the staples of the setlist. I wouldn't be surprised if, starting with LP7, the band played only the singles from the album. Hell, they pretty much did that with THP. ALITS was, technically, the only non-single to be played, since Wastelands was a promotional single.

I want you to take a look at my member title. That should explain it a bit

...me? I've been making that comparison for a LONG time.

I really want to hear MOTD, now, if it's real. If it was mentioned, I don't remember it, and it's not in the Song Info thread.

Don't we know the working title of FM was Drawbar? I'd say that probably rules out any of those other titles being FM. The Hunt being The Summoning seems about right, and Viserion being one of the jams with Morello would fit, especially given at least one of the jams was heavier, which that name would imply. March Of The Dead is probably a track that didn't make the cut.

Great post, Skipees. Yeah, it made the album. It was called Don't Stay