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So I've been doing some research about the Camel Cigarettes Sin City tour, and I've figured out a few things. First of all, the Albuquerque show was not the first date of the tour, it was just the first one BOW played. This was a pretty sporadic "tour" throughout the late summer/fall of 2005 that seemed to be more of a corporate sponsorship of already-booked tour dates rather than a tour that Camel booked themselves (similar to how there were additional partners at certain Projekt Revolution shows in 2007/2008). It seems that these dates weren't heavily advertised with Camel sponsorship, likely due to strict consumer laws regarding tobacco sponsorships and commercials in the United States. Here are the dates I've managed to track down, and who played them: 9/24/05 - Sonar (Baltimore, MD) (Kings of Leon headlined, also listed as a date on KOL's Aha Shake Heartbreak tour) 9/29/05 - Trocadero Theatre (Philadelphia, PA) (The Faint headlined) 10/16/05 - BB King's Blues Club & Grill (New York City, NY) (The Faint headlined) 10/17/05 - Desert Sands Motor Hotel (Albuquerque, NM) (Not sure if BOW or Black Maria was technically the headliner here) *10/24/05 - ? (Grand Rapids, MI) (Likely a cancelled BOW performance but the tour still played the date - see more info below) 10/26/05 - New Daisy Theater (Memphis, TN) (Spoon headlined - Lestat mentioned this date previously) 11/3/05 - Austin Music Hall (Austin, TX) (Modest Mouse headlined) 11/5/05 - The Meridian (Houston, TX) (Modest Mouse headlined) 12/4/05 - Rain in the Desert @ Palms Resort & Casino (Las Vegas, NV) (Camp Freddy headlined) As you can see, there's no consistent headliner for these gigs, and I haven't actually been able to find any evidence that any bands played more than a couple gigs on the tour at all, as a headliner or otherwise. Also you can clearly see that this isn't routed in any logical way like you'd route a tour where you expect the same lineup to play in multiple cities (NYC to Albuquerque overnight? Uhh no). I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Grand Rapids date was supposed to be another BOW date on this tour, meaning they didn't play it. I found this article about some of the burlesque performers who were on the tour, and it mentions that they performed "from Albuquerque and Grand Rapids to Richmond and Charlotte": https://www.riverfronttimes.com/stlouis/aerial-erotica/Content?oid=2456468 This also means the tour had dates in Richmond and Charlotte that I haven't found dates for. Given the fact that this tour had a constantly rotating cast of headlining acts, seemed to be booked in collaboration with other bands' tours, and wasn't routed in a way that would lend itself to the same lineup playing more than a couple shows in a row (I also doubt they just managed to get bands like Spoon and Modest Mouse on short notice to cover for BOW getting kicked off the tour), I feel like BOW was only ever going to be on the tour for a week at most, and it's entirely possible that the Albuquerque and Grand Rapids shows were the only ones they were ever booked for in the first place. Sean's whole "getting kicked off an entire tour" story was most likely just a big ol' rockstar-level exaggeration for the sake of having a cool story.

IIRC it was something Chester had discussed doing with them when they were planning the reunion show, but they didn't start work on it until after he passed. A lot of stuff was supposed to happen during the gap between the September and October dates of the U.S. tour. Grey Daze was going to rehearse without Chester while he was on tour and then he'd join them for the last couple weeks before the show, there were supposed to be some surprise Dead By Sunrise shows towards the end of the year too. As far as I can tell they basically started over with all the songs and just kept Chester's original vocals. Even those had a lot of work done them, they did pitch manipulation to change melodies and stuff in some spots. It's a very similar project to how a lot of the stuff on Reanimation was handled.

White Noise is the only song on the Mall soundtrack that Chester had any involvement in. All the other vocals are Mike.

Fallout/Roads Untraveled was either completely tape or Mike might have done the vocoder vocals from offstage like he used to do with The Requiem. Mike played guitar on the live version of Tinfoil, btw.

Can someone look further into whether this is legit or not? I haven't seen an instrumental of Slow Ya Roll mentioned on Linkinpedia or any lists I've seen, but this sounds pretty clean to me (I admittedly rarely listen to the song though):

Yeah, that's typical. Each track was presumably bounced as stereo with its pan settings intact, and then the resulting stereo tracks were split into dual mono files. So anything that's hard panned to one side (as is typical when you're looking at one half of a pair of double-tracked guitar parts) would end up only having audio on one side. That's why some of the drum parts and other stuff are way louder in one channel than the other too. Outside of the "dry lead vocal" tracks everything has its final pan and effects settings that appear in the album mixes, the mixes just haven't been mastered. Personally I've just been keeping the stereo tracks and combining/tossing the mono ones with all the multitracks that have come out, makes the file list less of a headache to scroll through and find what you're looking for.

Backing up to this, seems like the people mentioning these particular songs (at least COG, I haven't actually seen anything about UIG) were basing their evidence off of fanmade piano stems that they may or may not have created themselves. Empty Spaces/When They Come for Me and Iridescent multitracks also leaked (and were deleted pretty quickly).

That looks to me like someone had an original case but burned their own copy of the disc.

Website was LPConcerts.com. It was a browser-based mashup thing sponsored by Verizon that had clips from several of the mainstage Projekt Revolution 2007 bands (but primarily LP). The mashup list was as follows: Bleed It Out vs. Makedamnsure Bleed It Out vs. Papercut Bleed It Out vs. Passion's Killing Floor Bleed It Out vs. What I've Done Faint vs. Killing Loneliness Given Up vs. Crawling Given Up vs. In the End In the End vs. Crawling In the End vs. Mama Leave Out All the Rest vs. Given Up What I've Done vs. Numb You'd basically just pick whatever sounds you wanted to mash together from Song A and Song B in each group and that combination would play back in your browser. Each mashup had the song pair's key and BPM adjusted accordingly to make them fit together (so even when a song was featured multiple times, the corresponding clips for each mashup would be different). If you were a U.S. college student, you could submit your mashups to a contest where the winner would get a private LP concert for their school. A girl from the University of Las Vegas won and this was supposed to be the show, but it was cancelled: https://lplive.net/shows/2008/20081006

Nope. Not sure who actually made it but it's been around since 2005 or 2006.

It was definitely added to BMI very recently, BMI work numbers are chronological based on when they were added to the database. Songwriters/their representatives can submit material to ASCAP/BMI at any time though, doesn't have to be when the song is released. I have stuff from years ago that I've just submitted to BMI within the last few months. Some of the non-album LP stuff on BMI was added years after it was released too.

Mystery solved, it's a song that samples In the End: A bunch of Charles Anthony Neal II's other songwriting credits on BMI correspond to other Redbird Rip songs. He's also apparently written a bunch of stuff for the band Eaglesnake.

https://lplive.net/shows/2008/20080529 Lots of pictures were posted of LPU members with the band at this performance, many with signed copies of setlists. Most were setlists from the actual performance but one was a full PR08 rehearsal setlist that had No Roads Left in it. Also, relating to this topic as a whole...holy hell does Newswire need the option to add a cut line to posts on the main page of the site. I think I could tape down my mouse, go make dinner, come back and still not have reached the bottom of the page.

I'd expect another 2-3 shows in Asia to be announced yet. Malaysia, Hong Kong, probably another Japan show (Tokyo). Maybe mainland China too but I wouldn't be so sure there. Can't imagine he won't do an Australia leg after this either.

It's not just a mastering issue, check out all the weird stuff with the drum sound on Given Up for example - it's like they added reverb but somehow caused phasing issues in the process or something. Why on earth is it so hard to get people to just release this stuff without fucking with it first?

Drinking game: Take a shot every time Geki baselessly blames Warner for something.

I almost guarantee that all of those examples you listed are indeed lossless. Songs that have minimal instrumentation, lack percussion instruments, etc. are incredibly prone to confusing algorithm-based lossy vs. lossless detection software. An example I know of is Song of the Century from Green Day's 21st Century Breakdown - you can literally rip a .wav of that track directly from the CD and any detection software you run it through will insist that it's lossy even though it isn't.

LPU5 mix tried waaaaaay too hard to emphasize how big the crowd was. It comes off like there's just a constant drone of background noise during the entire thing and it totally blurs the separation of the instruments in a really unpleasant way.

This show page in the Julien-K section is broken: https://lplive.net/shows/julienk0809/20080116J

I've been under the impression for 15 years that the audio is just from Worcester. It matches up as far as I can tell. The video is from multiple shows. Clothes change from shot to shot, etc.

Meh. No comment.

I had two different HT instrumental copies, the only difference I remember is that the first one had the version of OSC with the kick and snare panned to opposite sides and the second one didn't. I don't really remember getting them unusually early compared to anybody else, maybe by a few days or something. I never had them in lossless before now but they may have been out there.

Funny how you keep talking about stuff being deleted that wasn't actually deleted to further your bullshit conspiracy theories. https://lplive.net/forums/topic/132-all-instrumentals-acapellas-list/?do=findComment&comment=292000 *[LINK REMOVED]*

The other HT instrumentals are definitely different versions from what we had (compare the mastering of Crawling side-by-side with the previous one for example), but as far as I can tell OSC is just a conversion of what we already had. The old OSC already had a fully-mastered waveform appearance. The new one has a slightly different waveform appearance, but still has the same "definitely not the album version" sound. Also while the original Rock Band instrumental version was easy to spot with the kick/snare panned to opposite sides, even in the more recent version I've noticed that the toms are all in the right channel (check right before the first verse for example). So I'm pretty sure we still don't have a legit OSC instrumental. *Edit* So I just did a side-by-side comparison of all of them, and yes, every song except OSC is mastered differently from the previous version. I'm still unsure of the whole CD's legitimacy though because someone could have always just remastered the other tracks using the previously-available versions.