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Don't Stay had a different start to the intro on PR04, there were bell sound effects and an additional droning synth sound before the Gacela intro started. Joe also timed some of the speech samples differetly on PR04. The Wish ending was cut in half on PR04. There are only 2 repeats of the outro guitar riff instead of 4.

Mike, Brad, Rob, and Mark went to high school with Doug and Dan from Hoobastank and Brandon and Mike from Incubus, they were all friends. Pretty sure they were just in the crowd. There's another interview with Doug where he mentions their first backyard show and talks about how they borrowed stuff from their high school to put on the show. Dan is younger than Doug, and he was born in the summer of 1976, meaning he would have graduated in 1994. If the show took place while member(s) of Hoobastank was/were still in high school, it would have pre-dated the formation of Xero by at least two years.

Will be cool to have a proshot of this, but I'm not too excited. Chester hasn't sounded good at all on the two live performances of the song, and with the Mike/Chester/Steve trio setup, all it really amounts to is live vocals over a prerecorded instrumental of the studio version. It's basically Mike and Chester doing karaoke of their own song, lol.

FYI, there is no rhyme or reason to when songs are added to the BMI database, it's just a matter of when they're submitted and when BMI gets around to adding them. There have been plenty of LP-related songs that weren't added to the the BMI database for months, sometimes even YEARS after their release. It's definitely a lot rarer to see songs added prior to their release though. There's a fairly good chance that there may not BE an LPU Summit during the LPU 13 year. Sounds like they're doing their standard European festival run next summer, which covers areas they've already done Summits in recently, and after that, who knows what their touring schedule will look like through mid-November? We already know they may not be doing a U.S. tour until late 2014/early 2015. Anyway, my review of the CD. Not using spoiler tags, because you guys went 12 years without them and nobody ever bitched about my reviews "spoiling" anything before. Basquiat - The keyboard at the beginning of this sounds a LOT like the interlude between Shadow of the Day and What I've Done. Kind of has a repetitive structure like Yo, but more interesting instrumentally. Falls somewhere in between Yo, Clarity, and Debris in comparison to other MTM demos. One of the better instrumental MTM demos we've gotten, in my opinion. Holding Company - LOL did they seriously incorporate the metronome as part of the intro? They already did that with When They Come For Me! I love the atmosphere of this one. Kind of perplexed how this one evolved into Lost in the Echo...this sounds like a more synth-heavy Burning in the Skies to me. I think the main synth hook on this one was chopped up and turned into the intro of Lost in the Echo, and it sounds like some of the drums may have been reused on the final version too. Other than that, this might as well be a completely different song. This demo also makes it glaringly obvious that Manny Marroquin should never have mixed Living Things. The band obviously had great up-front guitar stuff in their demos, but it all got turned down to practically nothing on the album. Primo - I've said a lot about this one already, but to sum it up again: Very good for a demo, but there are a few things that keep it from being an album-quality track, that were thankfully fixed by the time this song was finished. Hemispheres - Hey, a major-key song that isn't deceptive about the fact that it's in a major key! That's a rarity from Linkin Park... And DUDE. DAT BASS. This sounds kind of like a Joe demo, probably the LPU 13 equivalent of Bunker. This is a MUCH cooler track than Bunker though. Cumulus - I love how the Meteora-era demos stand out so much compared to stuff from more recent years when they mix the different eras together on these LPU CDs. The samples and guitar sounds are unlike anything the band has done before or since. This track probably got the same treatment as Soundtrack, the verses sound very upbeat and positive, so they added a bunch of really heavy guitars in other spots to balance things out. There hasn't been an instrumental Meteora demo that I didn't like, but I don't think any of them truly stand out from one another either. Pretty Birdy - Wow, I know the choruses got all of the attention for being re-written so many times on this song, but they really re-worked the guitar and drum parts too! I sort of get why people are saying this sounds like a "garage" demo, but to be fair, that really loose, echoey snare drum sound combined with really nasaly guitars was also present on A-Six and Broken Foot. Not an unusual sound for a Meteora demo whatsoever. When some idiot who apparently crawled out of the woodwork just to shit all over LPU 13 (I've never seen their screen name before) said this song was in "listen once and never again" territory in the LPL shoutbox, I assumed they meant that this song was a short "intro loop" demo like Sad or Oh No. I was very surprised to discover that it's a full-length song. Just goes to show how mind-numbingly stupid some people are... Universe - As people have said, this is an instrumental demo of Resurrection by Mike/Kenna/Lupe Fiasco (which was released on the Download to Donate compilation). I haven't listened to Resurrection in a VERY long time, so I'm not sure how similar this is musically to the final version, but it's definitely close. I believe Mike also said back when this song came out that it was a finished version of an old demo he had laying around, so here we are. I don't get how some people feel "cheated" by this being on here, it's no different than Mike reusing lyrics from Freestyle with DJ Vice in Be Somebody later on. Universe was an unfinished demo, Resurrection is the final version of it. Not every seed Mike creates has to be turned into a Linkin Park song, guys. Also, little-known fact about this song: Whether it was intentional or not (Mike may have just heard this song somewhere and forgotten about it), the keyboard hook at the beginning of this song is almost directly lifted from "Sakura Drop" by Utada Hikaru. It's not a sample, but the chord progression and style in which the keyboards are played is unmistakable: http://www.whosampled.com/sample/122357/Lu...aru-Sakura-Drop Apaches - Cool to hear the additional samples and guitar in the original version of this one! The "wolf howl" things people are talking about sound like samples played off a turntable to me. The guitar also has that glitchy Wretches and Kings/Victimized thing going on. Cool! Foot Patrol - Love the half-rapping/half-singing stuff Mike does at the beginning of this one, although it's clear he didn't have a fully-developed verse written at the time of this demo. Pretty clear why he discarded that part and went with the more-defined verse from later in the demo. Also, LOL @ the band/LPLive referring to the live intro to Waiting For the End as the "Apaches intro" when the verse Mike raps during live performances isn't even from Apaches! Three Band Terror - I remember the band mentioning this demo in an interview! They said Brad brought in a song with a really dark-sounding title that they assumed would be really heavy, and it turned out to be a really folky acoustic demo. That must have been this song! And wow, this is some BEAUTFUL acoustic guitar work. I think I might like this even more than the final version that appeared at the end of Until it Breaks. This is great stuff. ...Aww, is it over already? I was just getting started! Anyway, as for the two LPU Sessions winners... Truth Inside a Lie - I was honestly really pissed off that Beta State got 95% of the recognition for being winners of the LPU Sessions contest when there were two winners who were rewarded equally. I LOVED the track Ryan submitted in the contest. Plus I thought it was kind of fishy that Beta State won when Mike had given them major publicity on his blog previously, plus two of their members were formerly members of the band Strata, which released two albums on a major label (that's not to say I didn't like the track they submitted, I thought it was very good). Anyway...what a Linkin Park-esque song title, LOL. Kind of curious how the recording of the LPU Sessions songs worked...did the band simply produce the tracks, or did they have a hand in some of the instrumental performances as well? Really love this track. Very Meteora-esque guitars in spots, and some excellent synth work. Ryan has a ton of talent. Change - As much as I feel like these guys were "ringers" in the contest itself, it's hard to hate on a band that sounds like they're approaching the top of their game. Their singer has a great set of pipes, but I feel like he's a little timid about really belting out high notes. Just seems like the choruses could use a little more punch in the vocal department, especially on the "burned every bridge" lines. This band reminds me a lot of Start Something-era Lostprophets, they're really good at creating big soundscapes and uplifting choruses. I actually listened to Strata a little bit (I remember the song "Stay Young" in particular being pretty popular for a while), and I have to say I like Beta State's overall sound better. They could make a pretty good name for themselves if they keep getting noticed the way they have been lately. Highlights: Three Band Terror, Holding Company, Cumulus, Primo, Truth Inside a Lie, Change Decent: Basquiat, Hemispheres, Pretty Birdy, Apaches Could do without: Universe, Foot Patrol In terms of ranking the LPU CDs, lets just say that the top 5 spots on my list are occupied by the last 5 years' CDs (I don't consider the HTEP a true LPU CD since it was a reissue of a previously released CD that was easily found on the Internet anyway). Linkin Park never provided us with this much unreleased, non-rehashed, non-"live stuff we've heard a million times already" material prior to LPU 9. You couldn't even make a full 10-track CD with the number of tracks from LPU 2 through 8 that are comparable with the tracks released from LPU 9 onwards.

As long as the new "technology" whatchamacallit has been thoroughly tested prior to being rolled out...I'd really rather not see the LPU site broken for 2 years straight like it was when the whole Clique ID/"Linkin Park Network" debacle happened.

Yeah, Lasik surgery isn't so much "repairing" your eyes as it is re-arranging the parts that aren't damaged to make up for the parts that are. You only have so many rods and cones in your eyes to work with, so once your eyes have degraded badly enough, there isn't a whole lot the surgeons can do. I've been looking into getting Lasik surgery for about 5 or 6 years myself.

LOL that Willard show might be the single most random concert location I've ever seen in the LP-related world. Willard is this tiny-ass town in NW Ohio that's literally in the middle of nowhere. If anybody remembers a guy named Mitch who also did a lot of LP guitar covers about 5-6 years ago, that's the town he's from. I texted him about this earlier and he was blown away, haha.

So uhh...this concert kind of happened earlier tonight. Did everyone like, forget? lol.

Primo = A Thousand Suns b-side/Living Things demo. Classification solved.

We always knew that Primo was worked on during both sessions, and that I'll Be Gone originated from the A Thousand Suns sessions, so the connection was easy enough to make, but yes, this is the first time it's been "confirmed." And the recording on LPU 13 is definitely the original A Thousand Suns demo that was later reworked for Living Things.

Primo is...okay. The chorus on this version is really cool, and there are some interesting musical elements that wound up being cut from the final version. I have no issue with the drums on this version. However, the verses on this version are vastly inferior to the final ones (it's amazing what changing a few simple words can do), the doubled Mike/Chester vocals in the verses are completely unnecessary, Chester's vocal performance on the final version blows this one out of the water, and the extended outro, while cool, definitely goes on for way longer than it needs to. Most people seem to think sticking a chorus from I'll Be Gone into this demo would make the "perfect version," I'm more of the opinion that sticking a chorus from this version into I'll Be Gone, along with a shortened version of the demo outro, would be the best idea. I also suppose this would be the time to make my yearly "people automatically like demos better than the final versions because the demos are new to them" statement. Again, it's cool, but saying this should have replaced the final album version is pretty laughable, considering this version sounds like it's only about 80% complete. I'll Be Gone is a song. Primo is a meandering 6-minute musical experiment that doesn't have a clear sense of direction. This would have been the worst song on A Thousand Suns if they had stuck with the original demo version. This definitely IS an A Thousand Suns demo, by the way (seems like some people are mistakenly thinking it's a post-ATS demo from late 2010). Primo was a demo that was worked on in the initial batch of ATS demos along with tracks like Robot Boy, and other currently-unreleased demos like Chicken Basket, Rygar, Underbite, etc...this is the version that was recorded in 2010 that the band elected not to use on ATS. They wouldn't have started revisiting old seeds until they really started the Living Things writing process in the spring of 2011.

6 through 8 came out the first week of December, the rest have all come out mid-November (between the 15th and 23rd). I'm still sticking with Friday or Monday.

I've been told the band isn't even RECORDING their shows anymore. Apparently the last run of shows in Asia was the first run of "full" performances that wasn't recorded in over 6 years. Australia in February/March was recorded. No idea about SSMF.

There seems to be a one-album "buffer" when it comes to releasing demos, likely because the band often brings back older seeds when working on new material. We didn't get any Meteora demos until after MTM was out, and the number of MTM demos we got increased dramatically after ATS came out. I doubt we get any Living Things stuff on this LPU, but I'd imagine we'll get a couple ATS-era things (keep in mind though, the band worked on far fewer demos on ATS than they did on MTM).

Yeah, I would say By Myself and Forgotten in particular are pretty likely to be played at multiple shows. The band wouldn't dust off 2 songs that haven't been touched in 10 to 12 years, run through them countless times at rehearsals (for both band and crew, Jim Digby is the only member of the LP touring crew that worked for them the last time Forgotten was played, and I think Sean Paden is the only other one who was around for the last performance of By Myself), build new show production elements for them, etc...just to play them once. I think it's a lot more likely that stuff like Crawling, Cure for the Itch, and maybe Pushing Me Away will only be played at Download.

"Ambo" is a slang term for "ambulance," referring to the siren sound effects in the intro.

I don't actually know any of the band's specific amp settings, and even if I did, amps are such funky things that you could probably take two identical copies of the same amp and dial in the same settings on them, and they still wouldn't sound exactly the same. With that said, it's hard to dial in a sound that sounds good for every Linkin Park song because they've used so many different guitar sounds over the years. If Brad wasn't using modeling preamps in is live rig, he'd literally have to have a wall of 5 or 6 different amps on stage. For a Hybrid Theory/Meteora, Brad's distorted sound was very saturated, with a lot of bottom end. Leave the bass all the way up at all times, roll the treble down a bit to maybe 7 or 8 (just enough to take the really nasaly "bite" of the pick attack away), and cut the mids down substantially (5 or less). If you have a 4-band EQ with two midrange knobs, keep the "low mids" on like 6 and the "high mids" on maybe 3. I like to dial in a VERY small amount of reverb just to sweeten up the sound a bit and make it sound bigger (with how layered Brad's guitar tracks were during this period, using a little reverb can help make up the difference when you're playing with one guitar). I hate amps with presence knobs, lol. But if you have one, I wouldn't suggest turning it up very far because all it's going to do is brighten up your tone, and the guitars on the first 2 albums have a pretty dark sound to them. Gain/distortion values vary drastically from amp to amp, I usually have to keep mine between 7 and 8. For the heavier guitar tracks on Minutes to Midnight (Wake, Given Up, No More Sorrow), I recommend keeping similar settings, but maybe bumping the mids up slightly. The guitar sound on those tracks is still heavy, but not quite as "scooped out." For songs where they used Fender Strats (What I've Done, Bleed It Out, TLTGYA), roll the gain back a couple notches (or use an outboard distortion/overdrive pedal instead of your amp's distortion, I find that works well with my Strat), roll the bass down and the mids up a fair bit (I use a flat 7-7-7 setting), and turn up your presence knob to about halfway. I think these settings can also be applied to just about anything from ATS/Living Things (there are a lot more varied guitar sounds on the last two albums, but a lot of that comes from the use of different effects).

http://lplive.net/shows/20010906.php The band was introduced by NASCAR driver Dale Earnhardt Jr. http://lplive.net/shows/20011203.php A large portion of MTV UK's "2001: A Hybrd Odyssey" documentary was filmed at this show. There's a full proshot performance of Crawling at the end of the documentary, but it's actually from Milan.

http://lplive.net/shows/20010108.php "First show ever in France, or possibly in Europe." - We can go ahead and confirm this fact. It's mentioned in the 2001: A Hybrid Odyssey documentary that the European run in January was 3 shows, and were their first shows in Europe (Paris/Hamburg/London).

Considering Download wasn't even going to bring LP back as a headliner if they DIDN'T play HT in full, meaning it probably doesn't bode well for them headlining Download again after 2014, it wouldn't surprise me if they ultimately said "screw it" and played the album in full at some shows after Download takes place. The promoter can try to sue (and may be right in doing so, depending on the wording of the contract), but LP has WB backing them, and things like that have a tendency to quietly be settled out of court anyway. It's not like the promoter has more cash to throw around than "LP, Inc." does, lol.

Drop CFTI because it doesn't fit in the context of a regular show setlist in most cases, drop Crawling because Chester can't sing it anymore, drop Runaway because Chester hates it so much he'll probably throw a fit if he has to perform it more than once anyway, and (unpopular opinion coming up, I'm sure) drop Points of Authority because it went from being one of the highlights of the set with the intros/outros on the MTM cycle to being one of the most forgettable songs in the setlist in album version form on the Living Things cycle. Bam, 8 tracks from Hybrid Theory still in the set, including the ones that have been neglected the longest. I'd argue for dropping By Myself too because I think the song is garbage, but for the sake of not having the entirety of LPL coming after me with pitchforks, I'll let it pass.

Yep, "Patients."

Can we just kill off the stupid idea of them playing the album in anything other than the original tracklisting order right now? Name one band that has made a big "we're playing x album in its entirety for this show/tour/event" announcement and then played the album out of order. It doesn't happen. Ever. That completely defeats the purpose of something like this. LP was essentially playing every song from Hybrid Theory during their late 2001/2002 live shows, so if they just did that again, it wouldn't be "special." They're not going to JUST play Hybrid Theory (40 minutes for a headlining set at one of the biggest festivals in Europe? Do some of you people actually bother to think before you post?), and I HIGHLY doubt they dust off any other rarities like High Voltage, My December, whatever. Those songs aren't officially part of Hybrid Theory, no matter how many special editions/repackagings of the album they've subsequently appeared on. They'll either play HT at the beginning or in the middle of the set. Definitely not the end, they're not going to close a show with CFTI/PMA, lol. I predict something like this: 01. Lost in the Echo 02. Faint 03. Waiting For the End 04. (First single from new album) 05. Papercut 06. One Step Closer 07. With You 08. Points of Authority 09. Crawling 10. Runaway 11. By Myself 12. In the End 13. A Place for My Head 14. Forgotten 15. Cure for the Itch 16. Pushing Me Away ---------- 17. New Divide 18. Burn it Down 19. Numb 20. What I've Done 21. Bleed it Out

Both of the songs in the Imani video are sped up by the same amount from their respective original versions. I'm convinced that there was either an error when they rendered the audio track for the video, or they just sped the music up to make it fit with the final edit of the video. I wouldn't call that version of Homecoming an "alternate version" because once you return it to the correct speed, it's just the synth part from the original song with the rest of the music muted. Divided does have a different beat though.

Fattcamp from Below Empty is planning on recording the repeat broadcast tomorrow, hopefully it all goes well.