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Wow. That's fucking embarrassing.

Tough to say. There's one interview where Chester basically says it was an instrumental version of the Xero demo, and another where he mentions the same tape and then says something like "If you want an idea of what those songs sounded like, one of them was an early version of A Place For My Head on Hybrid Theory."

That's the old entry...been on the BMI database since like 2006. The one crediting Ryan, Amir, and Fu is the new entry. I'm really not sure why Mark posted this in this thread, I wasn't bringing it up in reference to anything. Just sent him a random text pointing out a couple things I just noticed on the BMI database. I'm not even convinced that the Chester song on the soundtrack to this movie is even a real thing, let alone that it would be Morning After (which I'm sure it won't be). Lots of needless jumping to conclusions IMO. The date something's added to the BMI database doesn't always have significance. Up until like LPU 8.0, a lot of the LPU-released songs weren't added until YEARS after they came out. Sometimes there will be more than one entry for the same song when all the writers weren't accurately credited the first time around. This is also true of Standing in the Middle, there's an older entry for it that just credits Mike, Kutmasta Kurt, and Motion Man (the "true" writers of the song), while a newer entry was added later that credited the six Linkin Park members (all songs on official LP releases are split equally between the six members, regardless of who actually wrote them, so this was likely just something they realized they overlooked and corrected later on - Standing in the Middle was technically released under the Linkin Park name, even though Mike is the only LP member on it). While the main tracklisting songs for Out of Ashes were added right around the time of the album's release, the songwriting information for Morning After was never updated, so Amir, Ryan, and Fu were likely missing out on royalties from that particular track.

That's actually the Rock Im Park one, the first time they played it. It was before In the End at that show too.

Wasn't Oli actually an LPU member back around like 4.0?

And nobody on LPL has taken anything you've said in the last 7 years seriously, so we all come out even, right? I challenge you to find a single instance of a pre-ATS review calling the album heavy, saying it has balls, declaring that rock isn't dead, etc... The only thing I have to question (okay, I'm downright laughing at it because it's obviously not true) is the "everything was recorded live to tape" claim. Yeah, all those overdubbed guitar tracks on GATS were tracked live. Brad apparently has 8 hands now.

In all seriousness, I remember Mike saying within the past couple years that he feels like rock music lacks the collaborative trend that most other popular styles of music have moved towards over the past decade or so. Glad to see LP giving it a shot, but it once again raises my concerns about the feasibility of performing songs from this album live. With Daron in particular, if he goes in and rips a Lonely Day-esque solo on a track, there's no way Brad's going to be able to do it justice live. I'd assume Page Hamilton will contribute vocally, and Daron will play guitar and possibly sing as well. Page's guitar playing style is almost exclusively drop-tuned powerchords (Helmet were basically the godfathers of nu metal guitar playing), nothing that Brad or Mike couldn't do themselves. Unless he actually co-wrote a song, there wouldn't be any reason for him to play guitar.

It basically is Plaster, minus the bridge vocal samples in the intro.

SBD audio from Rock Am Ring 2001, played before And One. The Rock Im Park one from the day before is a decent audience audio recording, the Tinley Park one from June 8th (played before In the End) is terrible quality, plus it doesn't have any drums like it did at the first two performances. I think it's likely that they played Be Yourself at the June 4th Brixton Academy show too, but there's no recording of it.

...Oh, I see. There will be plenty of guitar solos on this album, Brad just won't be playing most of them.

Probably Death to Analog in full with Elias back on drums. Elias alluded to it on Twitter a while back.

Done: http://lplive.net/astat/Guitar_tabs/Live/O...%20Yourself.txt

I don't recall them using anything other than "energetic" when describing Living Things, and the whole idea of shorter "firecracker" songs. Oh, and the whole "using all the tools in the toolbox" thing, haha.

Posted a full month ago too, yet went completely unnoticed until now. Huh.

The single kick parts in that are still slower than the double bass parts in GATS.

WID has piano during the guitar solo, the only part of the song without piano is the little vocal/guitar break between the solo and last chorus. They probably cut out part of the song because they basically performed WID as part of what's normally the Ballad Medley, replacing the Iridescent portion. Wouldn't make sense to perform a medley with one full song and two incomplete ones. This is going in the list of songs played live as "Leave Out All the Rest/Shadow of the Day/What I've Done (Medley)," I don't cae what the show page says (it needs to be updated either way though).

Guilty All the Same guitar tab: http://lplive.net/astat/Guitar_tabs/The_Hu...0the%20Same.txt

So I always questioned the "17 songs" as being the definitive number of tracks that were recorded for MTM, as every time I saw it mentioned was from fans. Turns out, I was probably right to think that: http://www.lpassociation.com/forums/archiv...hp/t-23006.html http://www.linkinparkforums.com/showthread.php?t=13578 The 17-song quote comes from an October 2006 interview that says they had narrowed things down to "17-ish" songs. That was still 3 months before final tracking was complete, and a while before What I've Done would have been brought into the mix. Of those "17-ish" songs, we have no way of knowing which ones were ultimately "finished" over the next 3 months, or exactly how many songs "17-ish" even was. And reading through those two threads following the initial quote, as usual, people took it and ran with it, and now we somehow have "Linkin Park recorded 17 songs for Minutes to Midnight and 12 made the album" as an assumed "fact" 7 years later. There may be more Minutes to Midnight b-sides, there may not be. And if there are, there could be more than one. The bottom line is, we don't know EXACTLY how many songs from the Minutes to Midnight sessions reached "fully recorded and mixed" stage. It could be anywhere from 16 to 18 or 19.

Posted by Mike on Instagram almost a month ago.

Why would LP release video archive recordings when they just quit doing DSPs because nobody was buying them? The demand for this kind of stuff (in terms of people who would actually buy it) just isn't there.

No. "The Fog" was attributed to BITS because there's a point on Meeting of A Thousand Suns where Mike says something like "Let's listen to the five and see what we think," referring to a batch of five songs that the band was working on at that point. The song played immediately after that was BITS. Somebody misheard "the five" as "the fog," and we've had a non-existent working title floating around for 3 and a half years. "Violent Lullaby" comes from the "Chester's Lullaby" LPTV episode, where him and Mike are throwing around ideas for lyrical revisions to The Catalyst. Chester comes up with the phrase "violent lullaby," and Mike proposes the idea of "If the last two words of the song are violent lullaby, and the song title is Violent Lullaby..." basically saying that he thinks they should use that phrase in the lyrics because he thinks it'd be a good title for the song. Chester counters that with "If you're forcing words into the song just for the sake of a good song title, you're writing for the wrong reasons." LP fans being LP fans (taking everything literally, not understanding the concept of "context," etc...), people assumed that "Violent Lullaby" was the song's working title based on this. The lyric was never used in the song, the "song title" conversation was entirely hypothetical, and the song was never called Violent Lullaby. "Mikespiano" was a demo for both ATS and Living Things? I don't recall seeing that one mentioned more than once.

QWERTY actually was "written for the album," according to Mike, but obviously didn't stay in consideration for very long since it ended up on LPU 6. Both Pretend to Be and Not Alone are confirmed to have been "started" during the MTM sessions and finished later. In the case of Not Alone, it originally had different lyrics that were scrapped for the ones written after the Haiti earthquake. However, it's not known if those original lyrics were in place at the time of MTM's release, they could have revised it more than once after the album came out. The only other potential b-side that I can think of that we may already have would be Pale, they could have potentially considered including that on the album (possibly in place of Wake). I find it kind of unlikely though, as it's labeled as a 2006 demo, which would seem to put it more in the realm of QWERTY and Announcement Service Public, as a song that was dropped from consideration earlier in the process. My personal theory is that the 17th song is "Ammosick," as we know that one got pretty far in the process, and was subsequently revisited during the A Thousand Suns sessions. It could even BE a song on A Thousand Suns, as we don't have working titles for a few tracks. Burning in the Skies (no, the working title was not "The Fog"), Wretches and Kings, and The Catalyst (no, the working title was not "Violent Lullaby") all fit that criteria, although we know The Catalyst was written later, and I believe Wretches was too due to the presence of the Electro-Harmonix HOG, which was not in LP's arsenal during the MTM sessions. I also always thought BITS sounded like the most "MTM-like" track on ATS as well...so yeah, that's my theory. I have nothing to back it up.

Bruiser and Space Station were likely done in between ATS and Living Things. Bruiser uses some of the guitar MPC samples that were recorded by Mike and Brad when they did Wretches and Kings (they really milked that sample bank for studio work, parts of it wound up in Wretches, Bruiser, and Victimized). Bruiser was originally bundled with the Open Labs software that came with the Dell Linkin Park Edition PC in mid-2012, and I'd assume Space Station was part of that as well. The Loop Jams are just composed of existing samples from other tracks. Complementary was done a little later, when Stagelight was released. Song C/WWDK is a possibility, but no way of really knowing that for sure.

Did you lose your first one or something? Otherwise there shouldn't be any reason you'd "need" another one, the laminate that comes with the LPU membership doesn't get you entry to M&G's or any special privileges, it's purely a decorative thing.

"6.14.1997" was a joke. Chester was just making fun of Joe's demos all being titled based on the date they were created.