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Thinking about this more, I realized there's an incredibly obvious reason the tour was cancelled: If Chester is under doctor's orders not to perform for six weeks but decides to do so anyway, it would likely void the band's VERY expensive touring insurance policy. I'm sure Chester would gladly perform in a wheelchair or whatever if he needed to, but the entire LP organization could potentially lose MILLIONS of dollars worth of insurance coverage if he does. Not a scenario you want to put all the other people around you in.

They change, just like Joe and Mike's pad samples do. Even with all of the extra triggers added to his kit over the years, he still uses the two "flat" Pintech pads next to his hi-hat for the majority of his triggered stuff.

It's a lot easier to just do a mass refund in the event of a (nearly) full tour cancellation like this, and then try to play as many of those cities as possible later on. There are probably a handful of shows that they COULD reschedule at this point, but they don't know exactly what day Chester will be medically cleared to play again, plus there would be the whole "why is this show getting rescheduled but not this one" confusion going on between the fanbases of all 3 bands. This is really the best option for everyone involved - fans all get their money back, band doesn't have to frantically try to throw together a reorganized series of shows when their singer's availability is a big question mark until at least March. Bring on the May/June shows, and hopefully we'll get something cool/interesting from the band in the meantime.

Well, that probably answers the question of how a then-relatively-unknown Chester had an offer to sing for the Michael Schenker Group after leaving Grey Daze...must have impressed him when Grey Daze opened for his band.

Your frustration is certainly warranted. I'll give you that. But seeing the way you react every time something like this happens makes it painfully clear that at 24 years old, you STILL don't possess a shred of whatever it is that the average human being uses to think rationally. I pity you, I really do.

I really doubt the whole tour's in jeopardy, he probably just needs to go in and have the bone properly set. Once that's done, he can probably be back on the road in a matter of a couple days. As long as he's smart and keeps weight off the leg (performing in a wheelchair for the rest of the tour would be a good idea - Layne Staley style FTW), there shouldn't be anything that keeps him from doing most of the rest of the shows. Unless his leg injury is WAY worse than it appeared and needs significant surgery, I'd be surprised if he isn't back by Brooklyn at the latest.

*Looks at LPU 8 artwork in Youtube video* Yep, Little Boxes was on LPU 8, alright. Brought to you by the same folks behind such quality releases as "Erection," "Splitting the DNA," "LPU 2.5," and "Linkin Park's Greatest Hits," I'm sure. Sounds almost like a really quick turntable panning effect to me. There's probably a lot of synth-y stuff on studio recordings that was originally guitar at some point and went through a ton of effects and editing to get to the final form it's in on the albums. There are a few that I even know of for sure, like the synth hook on Crawling originally being guitar harmonics and the synth in Somewhere I Belong being a backwards/effected loop of Chester playing acoustic guitar. I tend not to include things like this in my tabs if they fall into two categories - they don't sound like guitar, and the band doesn't attempt to play them on guitar during live performances. I try to transcribe things like this sometimes (Wretches and Kings is a good example), but more often than not, I have no good way of knowing how a part was originally played, or if it's even guitar in the first place. There are plenty of things that are "suspect" to me...the muted-sounded thing in the pre-chorus of Crawling (it's in the "guitar" track on the Rock Band mutitracks), a bunch of samples in Guilty All the Same, some of the stuff layered in with the synths on New Divide...

I've always meant to take the time to do more of these, but I'm so far behind on the guitar stuff as it is lately...

I've seriously never given a crap whether they play APFMH or not.

It may or may not be a good album, but who cares when they won't bother playing it live...

They used the "made to be played live" line about Living Things too. This tour was basically the last chance of seeing any more THP songs added. In terms of shelf life, this album is DONE. It's not selling well, the only song getting radio airplay in big markets is still Until It's Gone despite 2 more singles being released since then...for most people at concerts on this cycle, UIG is the only song off THP that they've even HEARD. I think LP is slowly giving up on being relevant as a live act and transitioning into "heritage act" territory, whether Mike says otherwise or not. It says a LOT that they're more interested in playing a non-single from an album that came out over 14 years ago than playing half of the singles from an album that just came out 7 months ago. Trivia time: Did you know Until it's Gone was only performed in its entirety 14 times? That's fewer times than Hit the Floor and Easier to Run. I would not be surprised at all if, from the 7th album onwards, the only new material added to the live set is the first single from each album. I don't expect to see a whole lot of material from 2010 and later stick around in future live sets, either.

Yep! Only happens when switching between songs that are and aren't drop-tuned though, so it's just a matter of re-tuning one string.

This actually still happens on occasion. Brad and Mike's backup Db-tuned guitars also serve as their Eb-tuned guitars for A Place for My Head and Somewhere I Belong. Since they're backups, they stay in Db by default in case they're needed, but once one of those songs is coming up in the setlist, they get re-tuned. Sean also used to do this with Brad's Drop D PRS for When They Come for Me, which is in standard tuning. Other than that, the only other example I can think of is on LP's first tours in 2000, when the only guitars Brad had were his blue PRS and his Ibanez 7-string. He'd retune from Db to Eb during the set to play A Place for My Head and Forgotten.

This. I'm not at all against the idea of adding APFMH and FTI to the set, they seem to be performing both songs VERY well so far. But dropping the biggest single and the current single from your current album is utterly asinine. Even more so than shortening UIG was in the first place (does the band just hate the song, or what?!). They're still playing Given Up. They're still playing the Ballad Medley. They're still playing completely unnecessary stuff like the awful shortened Crawling and a whopping 45 seconds of Lost in the Echo. It would be SO easy to turn this set into a set of full songs that covers all eras of the band, varies from show to show, and fits into their self-imposed hour and 40 minute limit. You could even do it with one setlist! Play like 22 songs, with 18 of them predetermined every night. The remaining 4 "slots" rotate - 2 slots for songs from albums 1 through 3, 2 slots for albums 4 through 6. Have a pool of 12 songs, 2 from each album, that those slots can be made up of. You could get Papercut, Somewhere I Belong, Blackout, and Lies Greed Misery one night, then you might get Given Up, A Place for My Head, War, and When They Come for Me the next night.

My thoughts on everything that's transpired over the last 3 days:

I'm looking at the Pittsburgh show on Ticketmaster right now and it isn't even CLOSE to sold out...floor still has tickets available and I see probably 150-200 seats that are still open too.

Guitar feedback sample for the FTI intro.

True, the guitar part in the Drawing demo actually was re-used in the final recording, so I guess that's a rare exception from that era. I'd assume My December was on a PRS because they recorded it in Nashville while they were on tour, so Brad probably just used one of his touring guitars to record it (which at the time would have been his first blue PRS and his silver Ibanez 7-string, and not much else). Daron is a big Gibson SG guy, and LP already had a vintage one in the studio when they were working on THP, so he could have used that or one of his own, but either way it's almost definitely an SG. The 2 main reasons I don't keep track of Phoenix's basses are 1. Phoenix isn't photographed/filmed nearly as often as Mike, Chester, and Brad, and 2. when Phoenix changes the pickguards on his Stingrays, he doesn't always use the same color pickguard that was on a particular bass previously, so it makes it VERY difficult to tell when he's using a new one or when he's using an old one with a new pickguard. There are a few obvious ones like the "broken" Given Up bass and a couple of his older 5-strings that were in more unusual colors (he had a yellow and a purple one back in the early days!), but other than those and the handful of Fender Precision basses he uses, I've had a really hard time trying to keep track of them over the years.

With the sets having few changes from Carnivores, I doubt they'll play Set A twice in a row to start this tour, but you never know.

Why are people assuming this was a rehearsal of some kind...? It was probably a special performance for Machine Shop employees.

No "extra note" on the Given Up outro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSCk7Cqv4ls Mike got out of sync with the beat during the Remember the Name chorus, and Chester screwed up and started to do the first line of Lying From You over the transition into Numb (pretty good sign that LFY is still in Set B though!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Goi1hEM9Vw No drum solo on BIO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzdcuEoDXNg

With You and Runaway were recorded with an Ibanez 7-string. The intro to A Place for My Head was recorded with the piezo pickup of an Ibanez Prestige series guitar. Don't Stay and Nobody's Listening were recorded with an Ibanez baritone guitar (the rhythm tracks on Somewhere I Belong were likely recorded with one too, the studio version is in Bb tuning but the live version is in Eb). Brad had another Ibanez RG in the studio for Meteora too, if I had to guess, it was probably used for the clean parts on Easier to Run since they're in a weird tuning. Everything else on HT and Meteora was done on PRS's. Mike also didn't play guitar on any final studio recordings until Minutes to Midnight, so those 2 albums are pretty straightforward. I don't believe they used Ibanez guitars at all from Minutes to Midnight onward (and definitely not from ATS-present). The Strat songs are always easy to pick out, but the songs with humbuckers are trickier to identify since they've been using a combination of PRS and Gibson (Les Paul and SG) guitars in the studio for those since MTM.

Yep: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUWkKJw-NaM Crawling was indeed the same version they've been performing (save for there being no outro transition into anything now): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDTULCbxvbo And What I've Done didn't have the ticking intro before the piano came in, but the intro was still shortened: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uMCJLWVdY4

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That's the same Crawling arrangement they've been doing since the start of Carnivores. Was it still at the faster tempo? Depends on if they still had the transition from the ND outro, I guess. Was there a transition into WID too? Cool to hear about the APFMH intro, and hey, awesome you got to see it, you're 3 for 30 now LOL.