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I believe the 4 clips on the Crawling DVD were also part of Frat Party, but not 100% sure on that. I have the In the End DVD single, but not the Crawling one, so I can't check.

FYI the Youtube video of Beta State performing Change was made private ages ago, but it's available on their Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/betastate/videos/vb.55032792947/10153511246142948/

I'm sure the link will be deleted anyway, so kind of a moot point in me responding to this, but...tracklisting jumbled up from what's on the CD, multiple mono audio tracks combined into stereo tracks for some reason, and really bad non-descriptive track titles in spite of the work I did for LPCatalog to ensure all of their information was accurate (plus a bonus LMAO to the "instrumental" which is literally just all of the tracks combined with no regard for mix levels, which sounds like utter shit)...either this is a rip from a completely different source than what I was aware of existing, or somebody shit all over a lot of hard work by a couple well-meaning people. Sucks when this is what leaks out when the intent was to eventually figure out a legitimate way of sharing something that looked like this: (All messages regarding this will be ignored, FYI)

Yay, another Mike instrumental song that will never actually get released in an official/complete format...

I don't think the Runaway/By Myself multitracks actually leaked anywhere, LPCatalog just finally got around to ripping them and deciphering what's on them.

Unlike Heavy, both of these songs sound like there may actually be some decent songwriting going on in them (One More Light, in particular). How they end up sounding on the album remains to be seen... Also, this cycle's already proving to be a weird one - 4/10 songs from the album performed live already, over two months before the album's even out, but two of them have only been done in alternate arrangements, the lead single's only been performed in its original form once, and the other song that was performed "normally" had a massive gag order put on it.

Completely up to the owner of the original content in question how much they want to charge, or if they would even permit its use in the first place. And there's all kinds of other stipulations that could come up too...good example is how The Verve earns no money whatsoever from their biggest hit Bittersweet Symphony because the Rolling Stones' management sued them over the verse progression being lifted from an orchestral version of The Last Time, and absurdly demanded 100% of the royalties (the irony being that the Stones blatantly ripped off an existing song when they wrote The Last Time in the first place, but hey, they're the Rolling Stones, they don't have to follow the same rules everyone else does...). Paying it would probably fall on the band's shoulders.

Yeah, they'd probably still get in some kind of trouble if they released a song with an uncleared sample in it through any official medium that they actually acknowledged. However, if it were to "accidentally" leak somewhere, without them saying anything about it, in a way that couldn't necessarily be pinned on them... I figure it'll show up somewhere eventually.

THP's first two singles went to #1 on the U.S. Mainstream Rock chart. GATS in particular was on the radio regularly for MONTHS.

The With You/Runaway guitars are the same modified 6-string PRS's he's been using on those songs since the Living Things tour.

Yep...even more cringeworthy than Twenty One Pilots is to begin with.

LP Carpool Karaoke would be AMAZING.

Not gonna lie, the idea of Chester rapping sounds pretty cringeworthy to me.

I'm sure the fact that an entire STP tour was cancelled due to recording commitments with LP (a.k.a. Warner gave them a hard deadline for The Hunting Party and basically strong-armed Chester into cancelling other appearances, just like they did with the Grey Daze reunion show in 2002) also made him re-think how feasible it was to be in both bands without one getting in the way of the other. Not that I doubt family was his primary reason, but there's rarely ever just one thing factoring into something like this.

61 million views for an artist who has never even released a full-length album says otherwise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO9cBXRcBvo There's also the fact that there's guitar from the second verse onwards in Heavy, and the live drums come in with the second chorus.

Xero demo - 1997 HTEP - May 1999 (likely) 2-track demo - Fall 1999 9-track demo - January 7th, 2000 7-track/8-track demo - February 2000 Web demos 1 - March 2000 6-track demo - April 25th, 2000 By Myself (Raw Power) - April/May 2000 Studio Finals (Inc. Now I See) - May 7th, 2000 Web demos 2 - May/June, 2000 Plaster - June 2nd, 2000 Final album mix - July 18th, 2000 Is what I'm getting from this. Throwing LPU demos into the mix, here's my best guess: Coal, Pods - Likely made entirely by Mike in 1997-1998 while in Xero. Stick and Move, Sad, Oh No, Grr, Chair - "Transitional period" demos, given their minimal instrumentation definitely took place in the post-Mark era and possibly even prior to Chester joining. Late 1998-Early 1999? Lumping these all together but may have come from a fairly varied period. Esaul, Blue, Slip, So Far Away - Likely March-May 1999, probably prior to HTEP Hurry - Has to be later than So Far Away due to the nature of its composition, likely an attempt to re-write the song by Mike. Mid-1999? ITE demo - Very similar to 9-track version. Late 1999/Early 2000. POA demo - Very similar to 9-track version. Late 1999/Early 2000. Forgotten demo - Identical to 9-track version (January 7th, 2000).

Lol. Blackout has real guitar in the outro. Wretches and Kings has some live drums mixed with the sampled stuff, there's a live guitar part in the outro, and the bass is a real bass run through a Z.Vex Mastotron fuzz pedal. ALL of the guitar parts in Waiting for the End are live. The Catalyst has live bass and guitar from the second verse onwards. In Between has live guitar from the first chorus onwards. Protip: Know what you're talking about. *Edit* I'd excuse ignorance if not for the fact that save for In Between, every song you listed has multitracks available that you could easily reference to correct yourself.

You're REALLY grasping at straws when you're citing 14-year old interviews given at a time when someone was heavily abusing alcohol and essentially stoned 24/7 as something someone should be held to in the present day. What's next, you're going to call Chester a liar for not having a mullet because he said "I wanna grow a mullet" on stage one time? Also, Chester had the good fortune of not having to deal with many annoying fans in 2003, because the fans they had at the time were fans of a band that had, with the exception of Breaking the Habit, only ever released music that fell into one particular genre on their studio albums. People pretty much either liked the "Linkin Park sound" in 2003 or they didn't, because at that point they were a band that could be identified by a particular sound. There was no "LOL THIS ISN'T HYBRID THEORY U SUCK" crap coming from people claiming to be fans who hadn't had anything positive to say about the band in nearly a decade at that point.

Just a reminder, I've already said that I don't like the song either. Negative opinions of it in general aren't what I was getting at. "Geki #2" was my admittedly lame attempt at humor because you and Castro seem to always have similar opinions and ways of expressing them. Anyway, moving on...

Good for you. How about you and Castro go mutually pity masturbate about it in one if the other dozen or so threads that are actually about the song/album you've already turned into cesspools of completely unconstructive negativity instead of being completely irrelevant in one that's about the CD single?

Yes, Geki #2, we know. You've only said so about 57 times over the past 3 days.

They're making the music they wanted to avoid FOR THEIR PREVIOUS ALBUM.

Checking all the usual outlets I'm aware of and literally finding nothing...

Yeah, I'd say 40 minutes tops. You can actually push a 12" to almost 25 minutes a side, but you lose a ton of high-end frequencies on the songs closer to the end of each side because the grooves have to be cut so close together that the needle just doesn't have enough room to move back and forth as far as it needs to to reproduce all of the information in the waveform. 20 minutes per side is generally the upper limit of the "comfort zone" in that regard. /audio nerd talk However, if the majority of the songs on the record are 3 minute pop tunes like Heavy, that means there might be room for one long song..."Battle Symphony" sounds like it would be something really epic to me but that's just a guess on my part.

My thoughts, without reading any other recent responses... Pros: -Kiiara really impressed me. Between the preview clip that showed her singing without any post-production on her voice and how good she sounded on the live version today, I was really surprised with how good she sings, considering how auto-tuned her vocals typically are. -In terms of sound design/production, this song SOUNDS about as good as anything Linkin Park has ever done. The drums kicking in is a big highlight, as is the guitar coming in during the last chorus. -Chorus is very catchy. Cons: -No intro at all guys? On a song that's only 2:50 without one? Just seems lazy. -Chester doesn't sound good on this at all. He sounds like he's singing while he can't quite clear his throat on all of the softer parts, and the chorus isn't much better. Just seems like this style really isn't suited for his voice. -As I said on Twitter earlier, good sounds don't necessarily make a good song. It's ultimately an average (at best) pop song with above average production.