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Rebellion and Lying From You: No music video OR CD single/promo discs with single artwork = not singles (LFY can be distinguished as a "radio-only single" or whatever, but it needs to be classified differently from other singles). I distinctly remember LFY being more or less ignored promotion-wise when it was initially released to radio during the Meteora cycle, only for LP to retroactively start calling it a single because it went to #1 on the Modern Rock Tracks chart, which allowed them to promote Meteora as having "five #1 singles." Anyway, after seeing the setlist picture, I stand corrected about the Roads Untraveled/Fallout intro (although I personally don't hear anything from Fallout in there). As long as it's specifically designated as an intro like the Mashup Intros were, that works. Re: Sampled vocals on TTM/Heavy - Already kind of addressed TTM, Heavy's excessive backing track vocals largely consist of Kiiara's harmonies from the studio version, they swapped Chester in for her lead parts in the second verse/bridge but kept all of her backups in the mix. There are a shit ton of vocal tracks on that song either way, it probably rivals Robot Boy in terms of vocal layering.

Right? It's not like you can just take LP's word for what is a single and isn't, they've literally referred to With You as a single in the past because...reasons? LOL. Definitive list of Linkin Park singles, IMO: One Step Closer Crawling Papercut In the End It's Goin' Down Pts.of.Athrty/H! Vltg3 (this was, for all intents and purposes, a double-A-side single, although POA was the only one that ever got any promotion) Somewhere I Belong Faint Numb From the Inside Breaking the Habit Numb/Encore What I've Done Bleed it Out Shadow of the Day Given Up Leave Out All the Rest We Made It New Divide The Catalyst Waiting for the End Burning in the Skies Iridescent Burn it Down Lost in the Echo Castle of Glass A Light That Never Comes Guilty All the Same Until It's Gone Final Masquerade Darker Than Blood Heavy Good Goodbye (I've seen conflicting reports as to whether or not this is actually getting released as a single, but I think the music video release is a pretty good indicator)

LPL's definition of what is and isn't a single has always been complete bullshit TBH but I've unsuccessfully argued this way too many times to bother anymore, lol. If it doesn't get released to radio, it's not a single. Period.

I think you could make the exact same song selection work WAY better if you just changed a few things around. Check this out for example: 01. The Catalyst 02. One Step Closer 03. Wastelands 04. Good Goodbye 05. Lost in the Echo 06. Talking to Myself 07. Burn it Down 08. Castle of Glass Experience 09. Battle Symphony 10. New Divide 11. Breaking the Habit 12. Crawling (Piano version) 13. Leave Out All the Rest 14. Somewhere I Belong 15. Heavy 16. Papercut 17. Faint ------------ 18. What I've Done 19. Numb 20. In the End 21. Bleed it Out

Jim Digby*

I kind of liked the shakeup of the set, but a few of the song placements were head-scratchers. Wastelands second? Burn it Down fourth? Papercut second to last? Didn't really care for the new ending to COG Experience, and Battle Symphony sounded pretty rough. Sounded to me like Chester was singing along with his vocal track from the album recording for the entirety of Talking to Myself, maybe they wanted to ensure that the song sounded "extra good" since nobody's heard the studio version yet. On the plus side, I really liked the new Roads Untraveled intro to The Catalyst, the new WID intro, and I LOVED the new version of LOATR.

I don't think the intro should include Fallout at all, the Roads Untraveled vocal thing was just over the sustained drone of the intro synth from The Catalyst. The Catalyst (w/Roads Untraveled intro) is how it should be IMO. The Catalyst had no bridge or third chorus, went straight from the second chorus to the quiet piano section. The One Step Closer intro was kind of a hybrid of a couple of the previous extended intros but didn't quite match up with either one of them, I'd probably just call it a new intro. They also brought back the short pause before the extended outro, which they hadn't done for the last few tours. Castle of Glass Experience had a COMPLETELY different ending from the old version. LITE isn't listed correctly. It was the longer of the two shortened versions - Intro/First Verse/Chorus/Bridge/Chorus/Outro. We need to come up with a consistent way to list the Crawling piano version - It's shortened (no first chorus/shortened outro), but not all of the show pages list it that way. I think we should somehow make note of when Mike plays guitar on the bridge/last chorus of In the End, as it's not something he's done consistently ever since he started doing it in 2014. Were we also noting when Brad plays the Numb/Encore guitar part during the first verse of Numb? I thought we were, but I might be wrong. Bleed it Out had an extended outro.

I immediately vote that we refer to that as the "2017 version" of Leave Out All the Rest, because that would be a hell of a lot simpler than "Piano chorus intro w/Mike lead vocal + full band instrumental jam > heavier version of full song w/extended outro + guitar solo"

Nothing remarkable, but pretty standard webcast quality. I'm also on an iPhone SE, so my screen's pretty tiny. Might be a lot more pixelated than I realize.

Audio FINALLY got fixed in the middle of One Step Closer, lol.

This is easily ten times worse, at least watching the stream on my phone. Sounds like the audio's playing at 16 kbps or some shit, I hear no drums, no Brad guitar, very little vocals, just horribly distorted digital compression shitting all over everything.

Holy crap, this is unlistenable. What the fuck are the people running audio for this webcast doing?

Worst audio quality EVER, lol.

Last time we had a region-restricted webcast was Fort Minor at Pukkelpop 2005, and we all know how that turned out. Hopeful that we'll get this one, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

LMAO THIS IS AMAZING. There are exactly two LP music videos I've bothered watching more than once in the last decade: This and Final Masquerade.

Honestly the adrenaline rush probably only makes it worse. When you're that pumped up on stage you tend to forget all about stuff like singing with proper technique. Chester always pushes himself harder in front of an audience, and maybe he puts on a better performance sometimes as a result, but he's also doing more long-term damage to his voice. He's consistently had less longevity with his voice over the last few touring cycles, despite the band drastically reducing the number of shows they play on any given leg of a tour and even doing changing their routine schedule from 3 days on/1 day off, to 2 days on/1 day off, and finally to 2 days on/1 day off/1 day on/1 day off over the past several years. I think the biggest mistake the band ever made was deciding to start tuning to standard/drop D instead of Eb/drop Db after the first couple albums. Had they kept their guitar tunings consistent, all of these super-high vocal parts Chester's had over the past 3 albums wouldn't have been as much of a strain on him. A decade of straining for high, sustained, raspy B notes in the Given Up chorus on stage every night is like taking a cheese grater to your vocal chords.

Curious if they add one more show on August 4th, it's the only open date left in their US schedule now.

Confirmed by people in attendance. https://www.lpassociation.com/forum/threads/february-27-2017-the-late-late-show-with-james-corden.42872/page-11#post-1422393 I wouldn't necessarily expect them to play 5 songs from the album at this point. That quote was in reference to the UK shows, and the album isn't out yet.

Per the LP.com email, One OK Rock will be the opener for the first four shows of the tour (not sure if MGK is also doing those shows or if he doesn't start until Detroit). MGK is not doing the October shows after the break either, support act still TBA for those. Could those shows be with Blink?

Well, having to endure MGK is sure as hell not worth the cost of pit tickets, so looks like I'm saving money, getting seats, and showing up right before LP starts.

I'll be honest, short of them bringing back Until It's Gone, I'm actually not expecting them to continue playing anything off The Hunting Party (and probably only Burn it Down from Living Things, for that matter). LP's been teetering on legacy act status for a few years now. New album stuff + "classics" will more than likely be the norm.

This is Talking to Myself, as seen in the WBR headquarters performance. One More Light and Invisible are also probably going to be included, based on performances so far. Interview with Mike and Chester about the European tour mentioned 5 new songs from the album in the set, so probably Heavy, Invisible, One More Light, Talking to Myself, and either Battle Symphony or Good Goodbye (I'd say Battle Symphony is far more likely). Brad's Drop C-tuned guitars from the last run are gone, per the guitar rig tour video, so Rebellion is out for sure.

It isn't unprecedented for them to have bands only on board for part of a tour. The U.S. arena tour for ATS immediately comes to mind, and it happened with some of the second stage bands during the Projekt Revolution days too.

And to think, I would have had this CD for $8 if the seller actually had what they claimed they had.

inb4 actual tour dates are announced and a bunch of people bitch that LP "lied" about coming to their city based on this list because they don't know what a market is. *Edit* Pretty sure they're playing the Minnesota State Fair again on August 25th. It's the only date of their concert series that hasn't been announced yet: http://www.mnstatefair.org/entertainment/grandstand.html