hahninator

Thanks. Once we get all the info right that we want to add, I'll work on the show pages in 5.0.

I think our BoW page should have these shows: 21.05.2005 Tempe, AZ, Club Tattoo 17.10.2005 Albuquerque, NM, Camel Tour 22.10.2005 Lake Forest, CA, Etnies Event 24.10.2005 Grand Rapids, MI, Camel Tour (Cancelled) 29.10.2005 West Palm Beach, FL, Moonfest (Cancelled) xx.10.2005 Richmond, VA, Camel Tour (Cancelled) 05.11.2005 Mesa, AZ, Taste The Music Festival (Cancelled) 06.11.2005 Charlotte, NC, Camel Tour (Cancelled) 22.04.2006 Tempe, AZ, Club Tattoo xx.12.2006 Los Angeles, CA, Home Depot Parking Lot

Yes but it wasn't their first show. The Avalon show was their fourth show, after Club Tattoo 2005, Albuquerque (kicked off Camel Tour) and Etnies.

Venue for this show: http://lplive.net/fortminor/20051208.php Outside El Capitan Theatre Aus/NZ opening band for FM: "Money" I am pretty positive they performed Remember The Name on Mancow. Mancow venue is "WLS 89 Studio"

Avalon was not the first show and it was not a part of the Camel Tour.

So then is it even possible for us to get the dates? lol

I am pretty positive the story that has been told is that they were kicked off at their first show, which was Albuquerque.

That is one of the cases where in my opinion they edited vocals out. Surely Chester laid down demo vocals.

You are right. Unless it's early December we should forget it. We are looking from like October 17th until late November/early December. You know how musicians can quote things and they can be a little bit off so who knows if it went for 20 days or 40 days lol

Well we don't know the end date of the tour. I think October 17th until anytime before Christmas when we can find dates is fine.

6 of the 7 Puddle of Mudd shows were definitely a Sin City Tour but it looks like that's not the tour BoW was going to play. From your last link, these seem to be correct dates mixed in with what LESTAT found: 07.09.2005 Milwaukee, WI, The Rave 10.09.2005 Chicago, IL, The Vic 15.09.2005 Indianapolis, IN, The Vogue 17.09.2005 Cincinnati, OH, Bogart's 23.09.2005 Atlantic City, NJ, ?????? 24.09.2005 Baltimore, MD, Sonar 29.09.2005 Philadelphia, PA, The Trocadero No way this was part of the tour since Albuquerque was right after it: 16.10.2005 New York City, NY, BB Kings I think these are right too though, but they are a lot later than September: 03.11.2005 Austin, TX, Austin Music Hall 05.11.2005 Houston, TX, Meridian Still need Richmond, Charlotte, a venue for Atlantic City, and maybe we are missing a few more. Remember the first date for BoW was: 17.10.2005 Albuquerque, NM, Desert Sands Motor Hotel The question is - if BoW's first show was Albuquerque and they got kicked off there, wouldn't all their cancelled shows only be after October? If that's true then all we have that are right are the two Texas shows + Albuquerque and are missing the rest.

15.09.2005 Indianapolis, IN (w/ The Faint, VHS/Beta) Source: http://www.thespacelab.tv/spaceLAB/2005/09...eFaint-Live.htm

We should PM that guy on the Bonnaroo forums about the show he saw. He could give us a date.

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/rocks/2009/0..._of_leon_to.php Kings Of Leon was at the Meridian show above that LESTAT mentioned.

Nice finds. Charlotte and Richmond are two cities we could find dates for. I'm sure since a lot of people were on this tour we could email someone and get all the dates for it. I don't know if this was a show or not on this tour but Camp Freddy played this...maybe it was the end of the tour or something. 04.12.2005 Las Vegas, NV, Rain @ The Palms, Camel Sin City Show Source: http://www.cultcentral.com/Tours2005.html Troc is the Trocadero in Philadelphia, where LP played in late 2000. In that link you put up, it says there was a NYC show after the Philly show. We can now look up dates The Faint and VHS/Beta played at that time. That might help us. Edit: I'm researching your stuff you posted Skipees and I found some venues, etc and the Baltimore date.

We have no concrete evidence that it exists so we shouldn't add it for now.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/uponsun/2...-stp-photos.php 01. Big Empty 02. Interstate Love Song -> 38 more minutes of a set lol

Yes our link was different to that page in 2008. I think we are missing at least one. Chester wouldn't have made that parking lot comment if it wasn't true. Surely we can get those RJ Reynolds dates too.

I agree. I think at this point we should split it up. 2014 is wayyyy down there and this next World Tour is going to go until at least 2015. Maybe 2000-2009 and 2010-2014. Every ten years.

This version should have made the album. I wonder if LP did this specifically for this version of the video, if someone else did it, or if it was a version of COG they made before LT came out. I like it a lot. After Mike's first part, the song comes in hard. Sounds great. Is the shot at the end with them in the desert from the What I've Done video shoot? lol

Brad most of the time didn't play the ebow part at the end of No More Sorrow. The very end of the song. Listen to like Holmdel 2007 for example where he did. Compare that to 90% of the time where he didn't. Astat can further explain I'm sure.

Should we list this stuff? - In The End w/ PMA guitar (2004-2010? 2011?) - No More Sorrow w/ "Ebow" Ending I don't think it'd take long to do mass changes for this stuff but they are small details.

At least the Biloxi show will be webcasted and it'll be a full set instead of a festival shortened set or something.

You might be thinking of LPUX, when it was for sale at the LPU Summit in London early. Then people uploaded it.