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There is a lot going on here. Never knew the instrumental under Standing In The Middle (My Name at this show) wasn't sampled. Rob, Brad, and Phoenix are playing it. Is it this song by The Roots?

If you are familiar with Linkin Park's 2003 touring, you'll know that the Smoke Out 2003 show is pretty iconic. In between the tour of Australia and Asia where the band played the longest setlists they had ever performed to that point, adding in Nobody's Listening and My December, and the UK November Tour, they played a one-off show in San Bernardino at their friends' Cypress Hill's Smoke Out Festival. The band was in full creative mode at this time, debuting a brand new setlist with Papercut opening, keeping Nobody's Listening in as a staple song, and debuting the epic Breaking the Habit. Oh, and don't forget It's Goin' Down being played for the first time on the Meteora cycle... a song that would stay in for the rest of 2003 and all of 2004. Back in 2009, Fremont Studios was kind enough to the Linkin Park community to put three videos online - Papercut with its new, long intro (which ended up being played just five times), Points of Authority, and the live debut of Breaking the Habit in the pouring rain. Fast-forward to present day as Fremont Studios is on the hunt for the full show in their archives. They have apparently lost the full show, but have salvaged a broken DVD with thirty minutes of footage they have posted on YouTube. In this footage, we get even more of the show. Along with the full Papercut intro (the previous version was slightly cut), we get Points of Authority, Don't Stay, Somewhere I Belong, It's Goin' Down, Lying From You, most of Nobody's Listening, and all of Breaking the Habit. This is a sizable chunk of the show. However, there are some really some good highlights here. We see a setlist photo in the first few moments of the video which confirms the set we had was correct, but the footage shows we had some show notes incorrect. It's Goin' Down, performed for the first time since 2002, had its acapella intro, but the surprise is that Xzibit is actually on Nobody's Listening and the band performs part of a unique instrumental with him rapping over it. Earlier in 2003, Xzibit joined the band for Projekt Revolution 2003 and My Name was rapped over Nobody's Listening but without the new instrumental that the band kept for when Mike later rapped 'Standing In The Middle' over it. This is a very unique mashup and we are glad to have a recording of it! Enjoy this newly surfaced footage from 20 years ago!

It would be nice to see some other songs played in these sessions besides Already Over, but the point is the Already Over Sessions. What could solve this is... some...live...concerts....

I wanted to bring this thread back as we are working on updating some site updates, I unlocked the thread so people can reply if they have questions/comments about something. https://lplive.net/shows/2007/20070519/ Added that Runaway was on the printed setlist for this show and dropped. https://lplive.net/shows/2007/200703xx-7 Unfortunately we have to add yet another page for the Third Encore 2007 stuff. No More Sorrow on the promo CD, which we thought matched another performance, is actually unique and matches nothing else. Crazy. https://lplive.net/shows/fortminor/20060812f/ https://lplive.net/shows/fortminor/20060813f/ Had to update the Fort Minor Summer Sonic setlists from the Japanese setlistfm-style website source. A lot is still unconfirmed but we have double the amount of songs than we had previously. There are Fort Minor setlist updates that need to be made - we want to pull the Black Violin Solo and Beatdown Solo out of the song notes and into the setlists themselves. Need to add the Joe Hahn Vegas show too.

Episode 3 is out and features another Linkin Park song! CREDITS: Vocals: Nørskov Lead Guitar: Paul Davids Rhythm Guitar: Diego Riera Keyboard/BVS: Charles Berthoud Bass/BVS: Ellie Dixon Drums: Sam Arrow Studio: Metropolis Studios, London Engineer: Paul Norris Directed By: Nick Suchak DOP: Jed Darlington-Roberts Camera-Op: Rhys Taylor

Really enjoyed this premiere! Great work by all involved - some amazing remixes!

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My next question is about the rap verse he did on a stream in.... 2020 I think? Did that unreleased rap verse ever make it into a song? I think was the day he made The Brooklyn Way.

Wow I just realized the Four Track Tape is the jam I requested. The 3.1 Freestyle. That is awesome.

That's great. It's a shame the Petrified LA remix wasn't on the vinyl release but at least it's coming to streaming. Love Be Somebody, There They Go, and The Hard Way. Nice move!

This is like Dropped Frames 4. Nice to get more of the jams since he made so many. I think he really missed an opportunity to do a fourth great release at the time with One Hundredth Stream, Pool Party, Brooklyn Way, Gospel Choir, KarmaKon, Stinky Machine, etc - all those really strong ones he never got around to releasing. Did A Thousand Jams or Submarine ever come out? It is good Brooklyn Way is on here. Is this a way for him to get more of the jams out? Would love to see some of those other early ones mentioned above get out. I have a playlist of rips of them in iTunes to jam them but at least One Hundredth Stream should get a release.

That's exactly it. I don't think it feels off, though. He's doing something fun and enjoyable for himself. When he said "there won't be an album, but trust me on this" I was a little skeptical. Releasing the Crimson Chapter EP which is very similar to NIN's Closer to God Halo 9 release is pretty cool. It isn't crazy, it's exactly what NIN did and he talks about it in the interview how that inspired him to make it. And the live sessions are cool. All I'd really wish is he'd play a live show in the cities he's visiting... why not play to 500-1,000 in a tiny show in Sydney, LA, Berlin, London, Tokyo, etc? Just hook a laptop up with the keyboard and mic and he's good to go. Nothing feels off to me besides the fact that he kept saying the new music he made during COVID would be fun to play live and yet he still hasn't done it. If the route forward is EPs with new songs and remixes instead of a traditional album, that's completely fine. But let's get some shows going. I don't think he could do this during COVID, though. Like, you couldn't get to Europe, Japan, or Australia to record with other musicians. I agree he should have done some live shows during COVID over streaming but he was really uninterested in that for some reason which is a shame. Post Malone did an epic one, etc... there were some great shows. And he did the Happy Endings performance - why not a few more?

Already Over Sessions - Los Angeles is out and features performances of "Already Over" and "Faint!" Vocals: Bobby Amaru & Veda Lead Guitar: Mateus Asato Rhythm Guitar: Morgan F. Kennedy Keyboard: Nalu The Piano Man Bass: mynameisnotdrew Drums: Nate Mueller Studio: The Village, West Los Angeles Engineer: Ethan Mates Videographer/Editor: Mark Fiore Videographer/Photographer: Pavel Suslov What do you think?

We're working on the Crimson Chapter EP page - anyone see anything else we need to add? https://linkinpedia.com/index.php?title=The_Crimson_Chapter_EP Also have not gotten to Already Over and In My Head but that's coming soon. What should we do with Already Over Sessions?

He is in Tokyo doing that one today.

Great to see you Zap! Hope all is well - long time no see. We Major would be great. Guess they sold/distributed it in such a street way in 2005 that it's unlikely they ever release it officially again, right? Not even streaming.

Resale for this is all over the place already. Seeing $150 on eBay. Should have grabbed one. They should have made this for LPU members lol

What else is missing from the wiki page? What do we need to add? https://linkinpedia.com/index.php?title=The_Crimson_Chapter_EP

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I agree that this is a cool release. Nice mix of instrumental, remix, and reinterpretations on the song. Wouldn't mind more EPs like this for songs if he doesn't want to do a traditional album - we could get even more music this way. If that's what Mike wants to do then that's a cool way to go about it. You can't compare this to LP - obviously Mike would release an LP album every 2 years if he could. The rest of the band isn't ready to continue is simply all that is.

It definitely is logical and fair to pay him for the publishing of the songs/demos for his performance on them. What isn't clear is, was he really even owed *any* money before the Hybrid Theory 20 box set? And if so, what does that look like? Him saying he wasn't paid a dime for 20 years.... what exactly was he even owed? Sure, some of the 99 stuff ended up on singles or EPs but is he even on that material? Was LP/the label even *wrong* for not paying him before HT20? It's going to come down to if he's on the HTEP songs or not, which should be a center point of the case. What exactly did he even play on? Not even we are sure about that and we archive a lot of information better than Kyle or LP does (in certain situations). And that's what the lawyers/label will try to figure out. He definitely does not deserve and will not get songwriter credits 23+ years later on these songs where songwriter credits were established from the early beginning of being combinations of Mike, Mark, Brad, Joe, etc. Questions I have: 1. Is Kyle really on the HTEP or not? What makes him in 2020 suddenly say he is, after saying he was not for 20 years? If so, then And One and Part of Me were on Songs from the Underground. Is there even any live bass on Dedicated? 2. Are fan club exclusives (sold for cheap) subjected to the same thing regular albums to the public are? Does the band get paid, or how does the band get paid, for pressing 1,000 HTEPs for the LPU only? A Decade Underground is another digital exclusive only for the LPU. 3. Does the band have records that can tell which exact songs Kyle recorded bass on? It is somewhere in-between what Linkin Park claims (just Could Have Been, but I understand their argument for only saying that song when he came back to them questioning them) and what Kyle claims (he is pretty off with his list and is wrong on at least 7 songs minimum, very likely more).

The band was/is trying to pay him for royalties just on released work that he recorded, so performance royalties or mechanical royalties as people call it. But, he does not have writing credit on the songs. That is a different situation. Mike, Chester, and Brad wrote Could Have Been, for example. Just because you record on something doesn't mean you get a songwriting credit. I don't know how easy it is going to be for either side to come up with proof on these songs. You can already see the band offered to pay him for a batch of songs, then Kyle wants to know more about it and then claims he was on MANY more (some of which is just not true), then LP says "well we can only prove you are on Could Have Been", essentially. Kyle himself is who claimed the bass on the Hybrid Theory EP was dubbed over with other bass that was not his. What exactly makes that statement of his false now, as he claims? Kyle is also suing for songwriter credits, according to the article, unless the article is wrong. There is absolutely no way he is going to win that. I had assumed the Stick N Move demo was from March 2000 at NRG (post-Kyle) due to the HT20 book and Jeff's book. But, our LPLive chat says it may be from January 2000 when they were recording tracks to get ready to go to NRG, because Don does not have a production credit on it (something he would likely get if this version was from NRG). So, either way, it's post-Kyle. If we can poke holes so easily through some of the songs Kyle claims, then I suspect it is going to be easy for their legal team to do even more. More so, what proof exists he played on song A versus song B? My question is, because Slip was recorded with Mark and with Phoenix on bass before he left, then how would Esaul be any different with Chester? Wouldn't the instrumentalsbe reused?The Slip we have is Phoenix. Isn't Esaul the same instrumental with Mark and with Chester? Aka the LPU Rarities version - the one with the early early lyrics. I think Kyle is wrong on this track. While Mike widely (and incorrectly) claims Chester joined in 1998 versus 1999, he would know much more about the bass situation than any fan or Kyle himself would. Remember how much detail he went into just about the HT bass during the HT20 interviews? He knows this stuff, especially if he sits down and looks at multitracks, notes, etc he has. As far as what is owed, I wonder what the fan club situation has to do with it for the LPU reissue of the HTEP. He genuinely may not be owed anything for the LPU release - it depends what the legal deal is with fan club exclusives vs public releases. Remember there are obscure releases in the catalog too - Songs from the Underground has And One, Part of Me, and Dedicated. Is Kyle really on the HTEP? He says he was not and now suddenly changes his mind. Does Dedicated have live bass? Etc. It's going to come down to a track-by-track situation. The short version of this is - if we are able to sit here and off the top of our head poke holes all over this argument from Kyle, then with the LP stash of proof, there is likely even more evidence to prove more of this wrong. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Did he record on more than just Could Have Been? Well yeah, he was their bassist in 1999 so he's on demos. Is it the entire list he is suing about? No shot. Does evidence/a record exist of the exact player on every song? Unlikely, as this was 1999. Does Mike know way more about this than anyone since he was the one running the operation? Yes.

Isn't it a matter of songwriting credits vs performance credits and the latter is not guaranteed based on what was done at the time? Was LP just trying to be kind and extend a hand out of kindness to offer him something? He for sure is not a legitimate songwriter on any of these songs. Is he truly entitled to anything at all on these? Maybe not - seriously. The case will be interesting to follow. But one thing is for sure, what he is claiming in his lawsuit on specific songs... that information is not correct. Likewise, LP may have been incorrect in what they claimed he played on too. Have not dug into the exact songs yet. LP is likely to be more correct than Kyle is, though, just because they are the actual band lol

Fort Minor has posted, "Announcing 3 new Deluxe Edition vinyl variants of The Rising Tied, available on December 15th, featuring 4 bonus tracks: "Be Somebody," "There They Go," "The Hard Way," and "Welcome" + Exclusive Fort Minor merch drop all available for pre-order now at https://store.mikeshinoda.com/" FM has released three different vinyl sets of the album, a hoodie, a tshirt and a hat. Quantities are moving fast as vinyls are already selling out.