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Why do you think Cumulus is the working title for another song? Why would Cumulus not just be Cumulus, the LPU demo from Meteora? lol

8 hours ago, felipeintheend said:

PR02 videos were originally filmed for a DVD. With too many things going on back then, they decided to not release it.

That makes sense. Probably with Reanimation and then the band was finishing Meteora that year, they didn't want too many releases out there at once.

7 hours ago, thigolpbr said:

so apparently the dvd we received in HT20 from PR 02' was the dvd they had in mind to release at that time.

I just wonder, why did they cut the lines between songs and why did they mix up the san diego and vegas footage?
it would have given a different perspective to watch the full uncut show, anyway we finally have footage from PR02', but maybe someday we'll get another PR02 show 100% complete.

Summer Sonic 06' is still the holy grail, I don't know if the band would ever release it, it would be amazing.

 

Yeah, agreed about the talking being cut. It's very strange and takes away from the listening experience. Glad we have the DVD but yes, one with the band talking would be great. They have that epic speech by Chester before My December that is cut out of the DVD and pasted into the The Sequel DVD. It looks like judging by The Sequel DVD, they may have more PR02 footage possibly of another show. And then Colorado Springs, maybe that was filmed too. We will see one day!  Glad we have the show on HT20 though.

Yes - Summer Sonic 06 is absolutely epic. I was afraid if it wasn't on Meteora 20 then it maybe wouldn't ever be released. We will have to wait a few years, but maybe they'd put it out in 2026. Who knows. But man, that's an epic one.

Starting in the ATS era, the band recorded video of every show they performed. In the MTM era, they started recording audio of every show they performed. This is common amongst really large bands - Foo Fighters and Metallica have done this for a while.

There are two different types of recordings the bands do. It's common for the large bands to take the house feeds (shown on the video screens) at their own headlining shows and then also take the festival proshots, sometimes with a few more camera angles, that they are entitled to as the headliner in their contracts. These aren't great feeds usually. They work and are fine but they aren't like, ready-to-press to DVD style tapes. That is why Metallica is just webcasting theirs online and allowing fans to see them. Linkin Park's Numb video from 2017 is from the house feeds. The Birmingham 2017 videos that leaked are from them too.

It's a different situation when the bands bring in recording gear to professionally film a show from a lot of angles. Linkin Park has not done the latter that much in their career to our knowledge, but then again, we don't have full access to their vault. They filmed the London O2 Arena show in 2017, Chester's second to last show. They will likely release that one day.

Meteora 20 may be a mix of the house feeds for some shows and real professionally filmed, ready to go live DVDs. They probably only professionally shot a few shows themselves in the Meteora era. We know of Detroit 2003 for MTV, Live in Texas in 2003 for the band to release and they likely filmed a few shows before it to prep the DVD angles and stuff... this is common too when a DVD is going to be filmed, and I always guessed they filmed a Meteora 2004 arena show since they filmed Projekt Revolution 2002. It appears they may not have. Maybe they filmed Denver 2004 like that instead during the summer time. Seoul 2003 is a MASSIVE stadium crowd and it looks like they filmed that with a few angles along with at least night 2 of Tokyo's Budokan. We will see how many angles that is and what it really looks like. Same for Manila 2004 and Philadelphia 2003. We really don't know the level of production until we see the videos in the box set - it could be a low level "take 2-3 feeds from something and put it out" (seems unlikely they would do that), something mid tier with a few more angles, or a full blast Live in Texas-style release.

The band probably didn't film a LOT of shows like that. There are some unreleased ones though that they did film with bigger production budgets - Berlin 2014, Beijing 2015, etc. Probably some from 2007-2013 that we do not know about. Basically, they put some of them out that they film with big time equipment and they sit on a few of them. They knew going in that they were going to release Road to Revolution in Milton Keynes.

We knew since 2003 that they filmed at least something from a PR02 show because there is a clip in the Meteora DVD of a 2002 show in great quality. It is a shame Docklands wasn't on the HT20 box set - they should at least put the full audio of that show out one day.

If they recorded drums on 18 songs, 10 are on Meteora, 11 is A6 and 12 is Lost, then we have quite a few songs with live drums that we are missing. Meaning this box set is setting itself up to be pretty epic. All of the LPU demos for Meteora are Mike's programmed sampled beats/drums from what I can tell except A-Six.

Soundtrack, Program, Cumulus, Rhinocerous, Broken Foot, Halo, Pepper, Ominous, Unfortunate, and Attached all appear to be Mike sampled beats.

So what else did they record drums on?

The artwork is really, really good. When I think of Meteora I think blue, so that's great. And they've had some red Meteora merch over the years, and Nottingham's vinyl 2 cover is red. A+.

Just as the band has started ramping up their teasers for Meteora by transforming their social media platforms and website to Meteora-themed graphics, Linkin Park has now launched an official Discord channel.

You might already be members of Mike Shinoda's Discord, and now you can join Linkin Park's.

https://discord.gg/linkinpark

MTM holy grail is probably NRL with Chester. Hate to say it probably isn't great but even Chester said that himself LOL. Mike's version is really, really good.

And the damn MTM Webster Hall theater "making of" video.

The fact this thread has 29,000+ views and 625 replies before it's even officially announced is really... surprising in this era of the band. The hype on this is massive. More so than the Hybrid Theory box set, maybe.

February 23 now. https://twitter.com/CamArcher/status/1617681974067625984

Why would LP put a remix of another band's song on there? lol. Seems unlikely for something they'd release. They'd indicate it on the tracklist.

Some of the release info seems like placeholder info, like the second Meteora documentary(?) on the DVD.

Track-wise - would love Rob's drum song to be one of the unknown songs. Surely has to be as they were working on it so far into the process it was at NRG. There are questions now about song titles and demo titles, though. Both Plaster II and Figure.09 are listed as different songs on the LP song board, and they are the same demo here. We also don't know the titles of Nocturnal and Serpent - they could be Numb and Nobody's Listening, or they could be one of the first 3 songs on the Lost Demos CD, or even others on that CD. And then Sick is Don't Stay, so only 3 demos were left off of the release which actually is quite impressive. They are releasing a lot of stuff. Only a few things are held back and for all we know, that stuff isn't great they didn't include.

So, what are Nocturnal and Serpent? What is the old Plaster II that turned into Figure.09? 

16 hours ago, JZ-GreyDazePatheticWorship said:

To me She Couldn't was like the worst track to promote HT20 it didn't represent what Hybrid Theory meant to me back in 2001.

 

Stick N Move was the better choice.

 

Wow. Stick N Move's verses are pretty bad by Mike IMO. She Couldn't was a pretty unique track.

How does anyone know that Lost is Thoughts That Take Away My Pride? Is that even confirmed somewhere?

They aren't going to release music IMO until the announcement whenever the countdown ends.

46 minutes ago, bloodbath said:

I wouldn't have high hopes, perhaps they've chosen a one without him to not deal with the rights problems

If another artist guests inside your own headline show, you don't need their permission to release that. You need permission to release a cover, release a co-branded performance with another artist, etc. If Paul McCartney joins Foo Fighters for a song, Foo doesn't need to ask Paul McCartney if they can release that.
 

41 minutes ago, AJ93 said:

-Rock Am Ring 2004

-Collision Course EP

-Forgotten Meteora Remixes (or is it Reanimation 2.0)

-Music For Relief 2005

 

I can't believe none of them are important and not part of Meteora 20th Anniversary Edition  . I considered these as important and part of the biggest contribution to Meteora 20th Anniversary Edition.

 

I understand that if they want to add Collision Course to Meteora 20th Anniversary Edition, then they'll have to get approval from Roc-A-Fella Records (Jay-Z) and Def Jam. Even though Collision Course is part of Machine Shop and Warner Music.

Rock am Ring 2004 is the most popular show the band has played. It's out in GREAT quality with Mike Shinoda's own personal mix and the label/mgmt's own video edit. Remember, this show did not air originally like this - it was webcasted in potato quality and not shown on TV right away. The band's team took it, edited it themselves and Mike did the mix and then it was aired months later. This was edited to remove the encore break, part of the Crawling intro, Mike's laugh on ITE, the intro and outro, etc.  What was shown on TV already ***IS*** the band's official release of Rock am Ring lol, it was just shown on TV. That's their exact release of that show, they had more control over that show's release than anything shown on TV for a proshot. They even picked the camera angles of the whole show, which is why they are so different from the MTV2 version. We have the Rock am Ring 2004 release by LP, from 2004 lol. It just isn't on a physical DVD.

If they filmed MFR 2005, THAT is a show they'd have to work out with Jay-Z to release, like Live 8 2005. Roxy 2004, MFR 2005, Live 8 etc are LPJZ shows. Literally none of it appears on the Meteora box set besides LP's own performance of the Hip Hop Medley from the Roxy during their intro set. Notice they put no Live 8 songs on this either.

We have no literal modern day confirmation that Meteora remixes exist. They were mentioned one time ever, Mike said recently he doesn't remember them, they haven't come up anywhere in any sort of LPU CD or even this comprehensive box set. They literally may not even be a thing. Whatever they started working on may have been scrapped or turned into Collision Course.

The info came from somewhere. Seems very possible, yes. We wouldn't have just listed it or made it up out of nowhere unless we saw it somewhere mentioned. Tried searching Getty Images today and only found photos from Wantagh of it. We will see.

25 minutes ago, bloodbath said:

Even the info from 2005/06 is unreliable?

No. 2004 and prior. The 2005-2006 shows are solid as there is a recording of every single one minus Tokyo Zepp 2006 and that setlist came directly from the LP Japan fansite like... an hour after the concert. I remember getting it from there the same night. The LP fanbase went BALLISTIC about the setlist - QWERTY new song, Reading My Eyes, BTH closed the show for the first time. My December. People thought it was so epic.

Just checked the thread for the first time in 12+ pages.

WOW. What a release. 

Incredibly impressed with the studio songs and the live footage. A+ job. So, so good. Glad to have waited to see it all at once, but should have held out for another day or so for the trailer and announcement lol. But still... wow.

On 1/21/2023 at 2:16 PM, bloodbath said:

I wonder if Mike has ever "reviewed" linkinpedia and which would be his opinion 

He talked about it on Twitch several times, he wanted to know who all works on it (which websites), he knew LPLive like "curated" it, etc. He knows we asked him for stuff, like the Sorry for Now demo lyrics. He's probably at least glanced at it.

On 1/21/2023 at 4:14 AM, KlaytonShinoda said:

If it's actual footage recorded by him of that time I'd love to see it. Only actual known legit 'holy grail' footage is that Lockout video, no doubt it's more than 10k by this point.

We were quoted over $50k on it after Chester passed because the value went up on it, apparently.

Seems like it could be LP-related with him mentioning it like, "no new album BUT...." after mentioning Meteora. 

16 hours ago, Justin said:

Reminds me of how surreal it was in 2020 to have a question and be able to just ask Mike directly on Twitch.

 

Some questions that we had been wondering about for nearly 20 years suddenly were being casually answered by Mike himself, one after another. Crazy!

It was so accessible that we started asking him about EVERY song on the wiki we could find that needed song information. Surely he caught on eventually haha. But he was graceful and kind enough to answer literally everything. We'd queue up a few questions at a time and submit them... we had a whole chat for it. At the end of the day, it contributed SIGNIFICANTLY (!) to the song information on Linkinpedia, especially for songs we did not have any information for. The 2020-2021 updates were huge. We found out about all sorts of stuff.

Funny enough - well after he finished doing the Q&As we realized we forgot to ask about one of the Mall songs (and also, Dancer from Mall) - so those are two we don't have. lol. But pretty much everything else was fleshed out due to Mike's answers. We can get around to those Mall tracks one day and ask him, probably at a M&G or something.

On his Lens account, Mike posted the following message:

"Hey friends. Haven't been on social media much lately. I've been:

-in the studio working on music for myself and friends
-working on a new and improved mikeshinoda.com that integrates with ziggurates.xyz (with token gated features)
-spending time with family and friends
-doing secret things on secret projects"

This adds to what he said on Discord recently:

Mike Shinoda: "I feel like 2023 is going to be an exciting year"
B_Modz: "Meteora 20th?"
Mike Shinoda: "that's certainly one reason"
Northwest: "AYO LEAKING A NEW ALBUM??"
Mike Shinoda: "Not a new album, but there will be things that are...of interest to you"

So - while confirming that Linkin Park will celebrate the Meteora 20th anniversary this year, he is hinting at something else with the "secret projects" and "things that are... of interest to you" comments. Mike has been notably absent from social media lately as he said, so there is some point to him starting some hype with these comments.

What do you think he's referring to? New solo music? A possible Linkin Park song?

19 minutes ago, Coizu said:

Super random post but my mind is so weird. Back in 2007 or whenever I found out about LPLive all that information from 2000 seemed ancient and it was crazy how more information about those early times was able to surface over time. To me all that stuff was lost in time already anyway, who would remember random details from 5-8 years ago, so why bother searching for it? Now in 2023 a 16 year old setlist shows up and I am like "cool, glad that got sorted out" and it doesn't seem out of the ordinary at all to me. Just some random thought, but it is super interesting how perception of time changes when you get older. Maybe there is also a change of how you perceive things that happened before you get involved into something and things that happen while you are already involved. Anyway, really cool that this can be removed from the list of things that are still a mystery. It's great that there are still people around who are heavily invested into archiving all information possible.

Agreed fully. Even in the Meteora era, Linkin Park blew up so quickly that the 2000-2001, and even 2002(!), seemed so ancient. And we'd never find more stuff about that era for setlists, etc. Turns out over time we actually found more dates (like this, or this, or this entire show) that were missing. The existence of old tour itineraries for the crews really helped us nail down and confirm some early stuff for the band. When people are like "are you sure your archive is accurate?", we're like... well, it's EXTREMELY close if it isn't exact. For every show played as Linkin Park, there is a 99.999% chance there are no legitimate shows missing from the live guide.

Maybe this Kimmel set isn't so surprising to some because the Internet has so many archival tools at its disposal now, and people are more reachable than ever. Imagine in 2003 saying "oh I'll just ask an LP crew member about X"... that just didn't ever happen in the fanbase. Now, you can tweet, DM, Facebook message, email, etc someone who worked with the band and they're like "ah yeah, this happened at this time, and that didn't happen at that time" or something. People are extremely accessible. Just like with Kimmel - no way could we have contacted a producer of the show in 2007. But in 2023? That's actually possible lol. So the "shock" factor is really not there for some things like this. Sure, we could have asked the LP team in 2027 when they did an MTM box set what this setlist was, because they have it archived somewhere for sure. But - very glad to have it now.

Time is so wild. Can you believe how active the site was in 2007 on the MTM tour... a "CuteNews" show thread for every show with tons of comments? And it's now... 2023? Really hard to believe. Went by in the blink of an eye.

7 minutes ago, bloodbath said:

You should have kept this until MTM 20th anniversary 

Well we don't have a recording of the show so it's pointless. Sit on a setlist for 4 more years? Haha. What if something happened to us and it got lost? Probably best to get it out into the public on the Internet immediately so it doesn't ever get lost.

Stuff is going to inevitably leak as it always does. You are welcome to post leaks here, of course. We ask that you either put SPOILER WARNING before it, or put it in spoiler tags, or just something as a courtesy to those who may not want to see leaked information yet. But definitely feel free to discuss things as they leak and happen - that's part of the process and is very fun!

Back in 2007, Linkin Park played Jimmy Kimmel Live for Minutes to Midnight, except the show was moved to the House of Blues on Sunset Strip. As is customary with Kimmel sets, the bands usually play two songs for TV and then a few more songs for the fans in attendance. Since this was at a small club, it was expected Linkin Park would at least play ten or more songs.

Fan sites at the time reported on alleged setlists, and we even made LPU threads and posts asking attendees for the set. However, nothing was ever found to exactly confirm what the band played. The setlist on the show page from 2007-2023 was a combination of what attendees guessed/remembered was played and we've kept it as unconfirmed this entire time. As far as the Linkin Park community is concerned, this was the last missing setlist from 2004 to present day that was missing from the site. Everything from late 2004 to now has been properly archived for Linkin Park, Fort Minor, Dead By Sunrise, Mike Shinoda, and more. At times, this has relied on DBS member Amir Derakh or even Mike Shinoda himself to send us setlists for the site. And we thank them for all of the help by doing that.

Thankfully, Felipeintheend was able to contact a producer of the show that archived setlists by bands played on Jimmy Kimmel over the years, and the person was happy to send over exactly what Linkin Park performed that night. 

Linkin Park at the House Of Blues Sunset Strip - May 18, 2007

01. What I've Done (TV)
02. Bleed It Out (TV)
———————————
03. No More Sorrow
04. From the Inside
05. Given Up
06. One Step Closer
07. Lying From You
08. Somewhere I Belong
09. Numb
10. Pushing Me Away (Piano Version)
11. Breaking the Habit
12. In the End
13. Faint

So... 5,721 days later, we finally have the setlist and have been able to fix the number one gap we've had from the end of the Meteora era to present day!

18 minutes ago, Coizu said:

In before it's about some crypto stuff no one cares about.

It seems to refer to Linkin Park instead of actually Mike stuff. He said it right after the Meteora thing and said Meteora is just one of the things. He is pretty in tune with what gets fans excited, etc so he's not going to just throw that out there without it being something legit, IMO.