hahninator Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 As some of you may have noticed, the song "Wisdom, Justice, & Love" is missing from the Atlanta show DSP. Upon further investigation, I have been told that it is missing from some past shows (if not all?) as well. Miles Muse (LPFreak64) asked Pooch about it on Facebook and he had this to say, "Yeah - I heard that they might have to remove WJI because of licensing issues. When you play a live performance publishers charge money for usage of a sound byte like the Martin Luther King speech. So every time they play it live, the band has to pay a usage fee. Obviously they are prevented from releasing the recorded version, perhaps due to the Martin Luther King estate stipulating a no recorded release in their contract. So you will get to see it live but probably will not be released as a DSP from now on. (Just WJI)." Apparently the Oppenheimer and Savio speeches are still good to go but the MLK Jr estate is preventing this song from being released in a DSP. What do you guys think about this? This is the first song to ever be omitted from a Linkin Park DSP since they started their live recordings in 2007. An interesting note is that the song starts the LP encore in Set C5....so that means in every show it's going to have to be edited out, but in C5, the crowd will have to be edited precisely to retain that loud noise when the band returns to the stage. Do you think LP should drop the song from the setlist perhaps? Or what should they do in place of it? What is everyones' thoughts on it missing from the DSPs? Also, the Twitter account for Ryan DeMarti (associated with the band's management) gave us information on why the DSP pictures for the first few North American shows in 2011 were so small compared to previous ones: "photographer mistake that is being fixed on future shows. In the interest of time we released them that way for the first couple." Do you think LP should release the higher quality pics in place of these, or just forget about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero21 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) maybe they should start using The Radiance to lead into Iridescent instead. Which would mean flipping Iridescent and Numb in the setlists. As far as C5 goes...not sure. Edited January 31, 2011 by Xero21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hahninator Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 I say they should drop it and then flip flop Numb and Iridescent. Radiance inbetween them, done deal. Or just do like a new improv piano piece into it. I don't think it's a good idea, however, to keep playing it in the setlists when it can't be released because that means each show they do it, that's an incomplete recording. I think it'd be best if they dropped it altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 You make a great point Mark, but the way i see it is the band probabl doesn't care if it can't get released, they will probably play it anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPxDC Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 WATCH FROM 3:00 - 3:20. Courtesy of LPPhan2005 That small piano interlude/outro works way better than WJL. WJL is such a bore from what I've heard on the DSPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Adolescent Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 WATCH FROM 3:00 - 3:20. Courtesy of LPPhan2005 That small piano interlude/outro works way better than WJL. WJL is such a bore from what I've heard on the DSPS. I agree, they could do perfectly well without it, especially since they already have that small piano interlude to work with. It would make the DSP feel more whole than performing an interlude they can't even release and subsequently cutting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hahninator Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 I agree, they could do perfectly well without it, especially since they already have that small piano interlude to work with. It would make the DSP feel more whole than performing an interlude they can't even release and subsequently cutting it. This. 100% agreed. Let's see what the band does with the next few shows...specifically Philly! ....or they could always replace it with a surprise performance of Wretches & Kings lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arbiter Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Leave it out of the DSPs, but keep playing it live as the whole point to a concert is to get the full experience while a DSP is a shadow representation of the experience meant to be a memento. Who cares if it gets cut out. But definitely leave it in the setlist. I mean all the band would probably do is simply just play Iridescent by itself. Leaving the speech only adds to the song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 They should release the hi-def pics, low-def is a bummer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borellus Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Get rid of WJL and definitely have higher quality photos. It'll definitely be interesting to see what the band does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Maybe they could just record someone else doing the speech and use that sample. Isn't that what some producers do to avoid paying royalties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMK Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Play the instrumental of WJL, leaving out the speech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DecanoLP Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I agree, they could do perfectly well without it, especially since they already have that small piano interlude to work with. It would make the DSP feel more whole than performing an interlude they can't even release and subsequently cutting it.I agree. A piano interlude works way better than the speech. They should leave it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[AndOne] Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Drop the song. Pics back to the previous quality or better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodeln Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 they should make a new instrumental like wjl and use it live or use the piano but playing it and then its not on the dsp sucks anyway i have the dsp from 2010 berlin (i was on that concert) and wisdom justice and love is on the dsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesungoesdown Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Interesting. And even more interesting, I totally didn't realize the song is called Wisdom, Justice, and LOVE. The entire time i thought it was wisdom, justice, and WAR lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftshoe18 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Interesting. And even more interesting, I totally didn't realize the song is called Wisdom, Justice, and LOVE. The entire time i thought it was wisdom, justice, and WAR lol. why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mandarinmustang Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) Who the hell cares if DSPs are complete or not. Every one gets edited when it's mixed anyway, so it's already not the same as being there. Edited January 31, 2011 by mandarinmustang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linkin_boss Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 i think they'll should drop it. i mean, they can figure out how to play iridescent alone, like after numb, as it was said before, the piano outro with oppenheimer's speech should do it. maybe they could bring another instrumental if they drop wjl? maybe wake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfox Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 i think they'll should drop it. i mean, they can figure out how to play iridescent alone, like after numb, as it was said before, the piano outro with oppenheimer's speech should do it. maybe they could bring another instrumental if they drop wjl? maybe wake. yep they should drop WJaL...and replace it with short keyborad intro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinMark Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Maybe throw in the Hands Held High acapella before Iridescent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Maybe throw in the Hands Held High acapella before Iridescent?i like that idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linkin_boss Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Maybe throw in the Hands Held High acapella before Iridescent? mike threw it once into wid piano intro it would be cool if he just play piano from WJL and he throws the lyrics from first verse of HHH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfox Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Maybe throw in the Hands Held High acapella before Iridescent?or play Iridescent after Numb/The Radience...and bring Wake 2.0, Cure For the Itch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPFreak64 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) I don't really care what they do either way. They will probably keep playing like normal live and not worry about it not being released on the DSPs. As for this: Upon further investigation, I have been told that it is missing from some past shows (if not all?) as well. It has been released on every DSP up until Atlanta. I have just checked all DSPs since ATS's release. The only times it wasn't released on the DSP was when it wasn't played live. (Melbourne, Homebush, and Canberra) Also, the New York CD Release show, but a DSP was not released for it. Edited January 31, 2011 by LPFreak64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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