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Made this list quickly for myself of where the tracks are originally sourced from (earliest release only), but sharing in the event anyone else is looking for the same info. Leaving out the album because well, it’s the album, and the demos because they’re unreleased. CD Two: LPU Rarities 2.0 01. A.06 [0:54] - originally from LP Underground 2.0 02. Pretty Birdy (Somewhere I Belong 2002 Demo) [4:05] - originally from LP Underground XIII 03. Sold My Soul To Yo Mama [1:58] - originally from LP Underground 4.0 04. Standing In The Middle [3:22] - originally from LP Underground 4.0 05. Program (Meteora Demo) [3:32] - originally from LP Underground Eleven 06. Faint (Demo 2002) [3:11] - originally from LP Underground 9.0: Demos 07. Figure.09 (Demo 2002) [3:24] - originally from LP Underground 9.0: Demos 08. Drawing (Breaking The Habit Demo 2002) [3:32] - originally from LP Underground 9.0: Demos 09. Cumulus (2002 Demo) [3:04] - originally from LP Underground XIII 10. A-Six (Original Long Version) [3:51] - originally from LP Underground 9.0: Demos 11. Soundtrack (Meteora Demo) [3:16] - originally from LP Underground Eleven 12. Broken Foot (Meteora Demo) [2:43] - originally from LP Underground Eleven 13. Ominous (Meteora Demo) [3:08] - originally from LP Underground 12 14. Unfortunate (Unreleased Demo 2002) [2:07] - originally from LP Underground X: Demos 15. Pepper (Meteora Demo) [2:56] - originally from LP Underground 12 16. Breaking The Habit (Original Mike 2002 Demo) [3:18] - originally from LP Underground XIV 17. Halo (Unreleased Demo 2002) [3:42] - originally from LP Underground X: Demos 18. Rhinocerous (2002 Demo) [3:35] - originally from LP Underground XIV 19. Attached (2003 Demo) [3:29] - originally from LP Underground 15 (Exclusive Downloads) CD Three: Live Rarities 2003-2004 01. Lying From You (Live LPU Tour 2003) [3:04] - original from Faint (CD Single 1) 02. From The Inside (Live LPU Tour 2003) [2:56] - originally from Numb (CD Single 1) 03. Easier To Run (Live LPU Tour 2003) [3:21] - originally from Numb (CD Single 2) 04. Step Up (Live Projekt Revolution 2002) [4:15] - originally from Somewhere I Belong (CD and Vinyl Singles) 05. My December (Live Projekt Revolution 2002) [4:27] - originally from Somewhere I Belong (CD Single) 06. Crawling (Live Reading Festival 2003) [3:35] - originally from Breaking The Habit (CD Single) 07. Breaking The Habit (Live Rock Am Ring 2004) [5:35] - originally from LP Underground 4.0 (length suggests it’s this version versus the Projekt Revolution '04 Tour Sampler edit) 08. Step Up/Nobody's Listening/It's Goin' Down (Live) [4:57] - originally from LP Underground 4.0 09. Wish (Live Projekt Revolution 2004) [4:28] - originally from LP Underground 4.0 10. One Step Closer featuring Jonathan Davis (Live Projekt Revolution 2004) [3:57] - originally from LP Underground 4.0

From Harmonix Music: It looks like Linkin Park's song "Given Up" will be in the DLC content for Rock Band 4. We already have multitracks for the song from Rock Revolution, but this will likely be an upgrade of the track separation. "Linkin Park “Given Up” and Varials “Circles” are powerful expressions of anger and defiance supported by expert compositional skill and rock-solid musicianship. You don’t wanna sleep on this heady new DLC debuting this Thursday in the Rock Band Music Store. Released in March 2008 as the fourth single from Linkin Park’s third LP, Minutes to Midnight, “Given Up” is a prime example of the potent, emotional performances that lifted the Agoura Hills five-piece to the top of the alternative metal/melodic hardcore heap at the beginning of the aughts Linkin Park “Given Up” and Varials “Circles” are available for $1.99 each.”

Thanks for being so detailed with this. I didn’t know about the 2021 release and I forgot that HDTracks will do a mix of things.

Audio nerd stuff: I noticed this up on HDTracks last night in 96/24. Is this the first digital release of the original version “Across the Line” and “No Roads Left” in that quality (Or any of the four bonus tracks, for that matter)? I want to say yes but I’m not 100% sure. I remember the special edition release at the time (the grey book with the DVD) having PCM 48k (not sure if it was 24 bit) and *that* seemed major to me at the time.

These streaming Atmos mixes are encoded in a lossy .m4a container, so FLAC would be a transcode. Specs match what's in the photo lpliveusername posted. The files are floating around in certain parts of the internet where once might request rips, however. It's not sourced from Apple Music, I think, since the beginning of "Forgotten" is in tact. Would be cool to try and convert it and build a DVD-R type thing for a more traditional 5.1 system, kind of like Reanimation. For any Mac using producer type folks here: I played around with the files and discovered they'll drop right into Logic without conversion and you can mess around with panning and split the tracks there.

The track is one long track with no breaks, as is common on Calm, and it runs 1:19:03 (or 79:03, so slightly longer than the “Sleep for Students” release?). Can’t speak to any other differences, as I don’t have the Acoustic Sounds release. It’s fairly bare bones, with the same cover art as the Nov. 2020 release.

Couple of things that are interesting about this is that for a long time we had the impression that the Xero cassette was a master for those songs and there was no digital master. The fact that there’s a DAT (which was accepted as a legitimate master format at that time) means that the info we had was either incorrect or half-true or alternatively someone thought enough to transfer what was probably a relativity new cassette at the time to a digital lossless format, which makes sense if these songs were getting heard by industry folks. I’d bet that the Xero songs on the HT box are sourced from some kind of DAT tape (Jeff may not have the only copies) or a digitization of those tapes, but not the OG cassette itself. Also pray for archival sake that these DATs were transferred to legit digital audio files (not just confined to the tape) at some point because they’re known for developing glitches in old age.

I’m slightly inclined to agree with you, but there’s some things I question. One would be that it looks like your using NTSC aspect ratio, whereas the master source being from a German station is probably PAL. On top is that the HD rebroadcast that exists at 720, which means that the station either has a higher quality source to work from, or already upscaled from their master. The modern Doctor Who releases (up to Series 5) come to mind. The source is PAL 720x576. While the Blu-Ray upscales to 1080, the US DVD release has to downscale to 720x480.

That loop closed very quickly lol.

My feelings are the DVDs in the boxset are less to do with a decision about quality and more to do with making them more universally accessible. Those of us here specifically might be better versed in the technology and quality differences, but I think a lot of the buying public stuff can’t play BluRay or doesn’t understand it’s benefits, so Warner doesn’t want to lose sales in that domain. I’ve worked in retail where movies are sold, and one example was a customer who didn’t want to buy a combo pack of Star Wars with BR, DVD, and digital download that was cheaper than the standalone DVD because he “just wanted the DVD.” That’s the type of person who isn’t gonna buy a boxset with only one BluRay with all the video features, even if that might make more sense. It’s quite possible this will only be 480, but it depends on how it’s filmed. I’ve seen other music stuff this year streamed at 1080 on YouTube, then released solely on DVD.

Mike seemed to hint at stuff being available outside the box on the initial stream when "She Couldn't" came out. I don't know if that would be an iTunes thing or a YouTube type thing. One thing I hope is that any video stuff that might get released outside the box take advantage of being HD, where possible. There's been HD rebroadcasts of Rock am Ring, but I think 60% of media sales are still DVD versus BluRay (I still know people who can't play them) and probably would keep the cost of the box down. Digital's a little easier in dealing with that. The fact that the ATS documentary just got uploaded in 1080 makes me a little more optimistic for that possibility. Also seems like the HTEP is etched on the B-side and features the old HT logo, but I'm worried about how 28 minutes of music on one side of vinyl is gonna translate without being edited.

Does anyone know if signing up for the Digital LPU Membership nets you the 20% for the Deluxe Box? I’m down to spend $10 to $40 off the tag price. That’s still $30 you’d save.

If it is two sides, then no problem at all. Missing the instrumental hidden track would be the worst option, but then they could actually do the static of Part of Me as an inner groove loop.

Vinyl is such a big draw for me, especially missing Reanimation, that I’m trying to decide if the deluxe is worth it verses the vinyl boxset, and then seeing if the demos hit something like HDTracks in October. The box looks amazing, but I have to consider how much I really value CDs. For me, it feels like a toss up between the EP at five exclusive songs (given “Step Up” shows up on both) versus ten, with some of the stuff that absolutely got me into the band via the In The End: Live & Rare EP. Though considering sacrificing “And One” in my collection feels pretty shitty lol. I’m also curious if the EP will still feature the noise after Part of Me and the hidden track. You can probably do the 28/29 minutes on one side, but that’s tight versus 18/19, which would be a lot better in terms of fidelity.

The sample issue on She Couldn’t is a Mos Def vocal sample. I think the sample on Pictureboard is the intro strings*, which show up in slightly altered form on I think track 5, or roughly 5 minutes into the Tasty Gas Station Breaks vinyl (which makes me wonder if they were altered between the Xero and Chester version of the song, but time will tell, I guess?). IDK that we ever figured out what they were, but it wasn’t uncommon then for Mike to sample artists like Bjork, Deftones, Smashing Pumpkins, etc. We learned that from the MPC - I think even the “Sky” demo of Crawling featured Bjork strings that got re-done. I think the edit is going to be these strings cut out, which honestly wouldn’t make a huge impact given the songs mix - they’re a lot more textural than they are integral. I also would not be surprised if the sample is missing from “She Couldn’t” on HT20, but just isn’t highlighted in the file name. *EDIT: I saw after posting the above on Linkinpedia that it’s actually the outdo drums, not the strings. Speaking on the bass thing, is it possible that Pictureboard and the Zomba Rhinestone are from the same sessions? He mentions them having new gear post-publishing deal on the podcast, so that gives us a bit of a timeline. It’s possible we’ll never know, but the leaked Pictureboard could have been tracked but not properly mixed and mastered the same way. It’s definitely not as rough as the cassette material, but not as polished as an official release. Also, do the LPU CDs with Slip, etc. have specific performance credits versus writing credits? Only think I can think I terms of some other timeline stuff towards the end of Xero into Hybrid Theory is the “Xero Reborn” thing being something both Chester and Pheonix both knowing. It’s a demo they both know, but we never heard. I wonder if anything coming on HT20 could be that?

Purely speculation on my part while we wait, but does anyone else think that the "Alt-2" and "Art-3" artwork could be mock ups for an official release of the 8-song demo? In regards to "Alt-3", everything is blurry, but I feel like the first track might be "untitled" (everything stylized in lowercase). It feels like that tracklist matches what could possibly be there (if track two is "super xero,” as two words, and not "superxero"). The last track looks like it could easily be "and one." Where "points and authority" and "part of me" are look a little off, but the rest I think could check out. Then with "Alt-2," if those heavier black blocks are track numbers, that could match, too. Four songs per row, which is harder to see on top, but on the bottom that could easily be "she couldn't" (notice the word break), "carousel," "part of me," and "and one." I feel like we might get a four song EP and an eight track "album" of remastered demos, packaged as "Hybrid Theory" (the band) releases. Wether or not that’s just for the website, for a digital release, or that gets replicated in a physical package later in the year. It doesn't explain the parental advisory label, but notice it's on one but missing from the other. Feel enough like being a rock band at that point in history alone could warrant it.

What I meant was that I wonder if that was an actual accident and Mike is riffing off of it now, or Mike knew then that this was the rollout for the 20th and that was kind of the first tease of what was to come. If so, if there's anything in the livestream that could provide answers. But it's more likely the first. Coizu's theory of how the thing works seems like it makes the most sense it and it might be more straightforward than I'm suggesting. My Catalyst single/Nine Inch Nails Year Zero/ARG brain is on, so I'm like pointing out and poking at things that feel potentially relevant.

The warm theme is pretty interesting. A lot of this graphic design feels like old school Frank Maddocks stuff. My early speculations are that Mike's reg key is going to be potentially important in the future and that Solitaire could be trying to tease something, seeing as how it doesn't seem to work (unless I'm doing something wrong?). That's a number-letter combo - potential password? Throwing this stuff out in case any of it actually takes in the future. Doesn't seem like a lot is actually available yet. The first picture in the trash seems to say "4-Song EP" and we have four songs in the server. Wonder if that's the first music we'll get from the 20th and those are connected. Also, names of the file are the same as when we found them on Mike's desktop. I'm wondering if that's either a long con on Mike's part or that situation inspired this.

Thank you so much for linking to these. I love this. The first one especially is so sick; it kind of feels like a modern approach to a Meteora track to me. I messed with this approach in some of my own stuff, it’s awesome to see how Mike comes at it.

I’m glad I mentioned something just to find out about that because that’s sick and I want to go back and watch it. Not to take it too far off topic, but there’s big community of cassette artists on IG and even Alessandro from NIN has been utilizing a four track. It’s exciting to know Mike has done similar stuff.

Thanks for the heads up; scratch my theory then. I've watched several of streams, but not all of them. I must have missed him talking about it. I've gotta go back and find that.

This is TOTAL speculation, but this feels like the right spot for it. I’ve recently noticed beyond the digital stuff that Mike seems to have a Tascam 4 Track deck on his desk near the patch bay. I’ve never heard of him utilizing it for anything new before, so if I had to guess, it’s hooked up to transfer old material from cassette - maybe stuff that never had a digital master? Could be nothing, but also could be something.

Show is February 01, 2001 Canes Bar and Grill San Diego, CA Setlist: With You Runaway Papercut By Myself Points of Authority (featuring Styles of Beyond) High Voltage Crawling Pushing Me Away And One In the End A Place for My Head (featuring Stephen Richards of Taproot) Forgotten One Step Closer (with “Falling Down” intro)

Director PODENCO has posted behind the scenes footage of the making of Mike's "Make It Up As I Go" music video on his Vimeo account.

How about the demo bleeding into the click track on ITE? That's a fun find.