Justin

Super thorough fact check, thank you for that! I love LPL lol

The first issue is that no one will believe it with just a picture of the wave form and you saying "I can guarantee it's 100% real". The second issue is that, even if it's totally legit, you're asking Michalangelo to not only betray someone's trust, but also put them in a bad legal spot. Even for a legit Xero demo, that would be a pretty bad precedent to set for anyone considering sharing/trading with him. Moral issues of doing that to someone aside, which is still a big part of it, who would share anything with him in confidence ever again? I would imagine that reputation is a huge part of what he does.

It’s not going to happen unless the original owner of the promo CD gives their permission to share that song, which they’ve made clear that they won’t.

She Couldn’t could have been a single honestly. Yes it’s a very 90’s sounding song, but it sounds great with the mix they gave it and it’s been getting some radio play anyway in some places.

You're probably right, since this is such a unique release, but usually for most albums there would be another track released to keep the hype going. If that did happen, though, I would think it would be something like High Voltage or My December. MAYBE one of the HT EP songs or something random like Dedicated. Definitely nothing from the Forgotten Demos CD.

I would love for them to get permission to release the full Download 2014 show!

I see no reason to pretend like Sean isn't a dick. I listened to Amends for Chester, and I'll listen to any future releases for Chester. What I'm not going to do is pretend like it's ok for Sean to respond the way he has to fans online. He wasn't even being attacked. He was asked questions and chose to go completely off. It's the same type of shit Tak pulled back in the day when he cursed Mark out, and I still can't hear his music the same. I'll say it like this: If anybody in LP ever went full on Trapt, as Sean has, and started calling people "douchebags" and saying "fuck you", it would get called out just the same. We would never excuse it, because there is no excuse that's acceptable. I would lose interest in future LP music if that's how they started acting. When Chester was calling people pussies and saying he would punch people in the mouth in 2017, during the period that it became cool to completely bash OML, even that was called out. It's just not the appropriate response. That's why he eventually composed himself and apologized for it.

I never understood Chester saying "It doesn't exist" when asked if the band would ever release it on an LPU or something. Obviously it exists, and one thing we all know about LP is that they never truly trash their demos or unfinished stuff. They keep everything in case they want to revisit an idea or take parts from it in the future or whatever. We know Mike literally has hard drives in storage with old LP stuff on it that we've never heard. So the Wizard Song is definitely somewhere.

It was funny because Astat and Lestat are two totally different people.

I realize the whole situation is negative and really just not good, but if I'm being honest "Fuck you, and fuck Lestat" was unintentionally kind of hilarious. When I first saw the screenshots I literally paused and went back to see how Lestat's name even came up lmfao. Turns out Sean is just illiterate.

I agree. Hopefully Sean stops calling fans names like "douchebag" and "dumbfuck". That doesn't help things.

My favorite LP lyric is the opening line of Battle Symphony: "OHH WA... OHH WA AH AH AH AWW AWWWW OH WA AH AH OH AH"

You can skip that step if you set up a free account. I just did it and downloaded the acapella. Didn't have to give them any payment info.

Your point makes sense, but I know a few instrumentals from other bands that do include pitch shifted/effected vocals. High Hopes by PATD for example includes pitch shifted vocals in the instrumental.

Maybe those were demo lyrics at some point then that we just never heard? I assume the lyrics for the booklet are submitted by the band. Strange. It's also possible that it was a mistake from the very beginning by whoever submitted the lyrics.

Those were never demo lyrics though lol. That was just a mistake by the marketing team. They even corrected it. That shirt now says “crawling in my skin, confusing what is real”.

I also ordered from LP's website, but I paid $9.99 for shipping, which was labeled as a "flat fee". I'm thinking the "flat fee" is dependent on what country they're shipping the product too. Probably $9.99 for anywhere in the US, and higher prices depending on what country you're in.

Mike's rap verse is amazing, but I really like the way the live version ends. Chester always nailed it.

The influence is there for sure, but yeah it doesn't sound right lol. With that said, I expect Chester's version to be way better and sound less contrived.

The reason that other box sets could potentially top it, in terms of hype for us as hardcore fans anyway, is that the Xero through HT eras are by far the eras with the least amount of completely unreleased and unheard material. There are songs, like the Thoughts That Take Away My Pride demo, that we’ve known about and wanted to hear since before we even knew about Pictureboard. In terms of sales, though? This one and maybe a Meteora one would be the pinnacle. Casual LP fans aren’t going to rush out to buy a THP box set as fast as they are buying an HT one, obviously. That’s not even a knock on that album, it’s just that HT is seen as a huge milestone in music in general.

Lol the book and cassette are two huge things for me that I DO want specifically. I remember hoping there was a book as soon as talks about a 20th anniversary release started.

I honestly don't know. I was under the impression that they either owned the rights or recently acquired the rights due to YouTube taking down Xero and HT EP music since the HT 20 announcement, citing copyright claims by WMG.

I don't think that's how music rights work. Like if LP wants to release an old Xero demo, I don't think they have to check with Mark to see if he approves the use of his vocal track lol. They might reach out as a courtesy, but not for legal reasons. I really doubt he could say "I don't approve the use of my vocal track" and have any legal standing there considering that Warner owns the rights to all those songs.

I thought you said WAYW was "fucking epic". If you love WAYW, you might also love Friendly Fire.

I really think it will. Even if they don't want to do another huge box set like this HT release, I wonder if they would consider a 20th anniversary reissue of Meteora maybe with at least a bonus disc or 2 of stuff.