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The deal is...we don't have a lot of material from the Meteora session, agreed, but the Meteora sound is similar to the Hybrid Theory sound. So I just mean we already have ton of material from the 1999-2003 Linkin Park. We also have a lot of material from the MTM session, but mainly alternative. Only 3 heavy songs from that time(wich doesn't sound like their older heavy songs) have surfaced. And IMO, what's interesting about it is that they reveal a side of LP we almost don't know : a Metal/Punk Linkin Park.

Yes, that's it.

For sure heavy songs can suck horribly and be so un-original. But I don't think that's the case here....it was said they felt like the softer one were better and more interesting (probably because of guitar solos, unusual structures, ...). BUT, if they talked about the heavy one and even considered putting them on the album, they have to be good. At least some of them. And I don't trust LP judgement. Putting songs like LOATR, SOTD, Valentine's day instead of ATL, No Roads Left, and What They Don't Know on MTM was a crime (And Chester thinks Runaway sucks...WTF!)

Not Alone!!!

Ladies and Gentlemen, good morning (or afternoon/evening/night!). I was just having a personal debate inside of me, and I took the decision to put what I was thinking here (yeah, I'm kind of bored actually... ). But hey, don't go! It should be interesting, guys....I'm going to talk about one of the most mysterious and unfamous thing in the LP history: Once Upon A Time, there was a Heavy MTM. First of all,I'd like to point that the majority of LP fans usually agree on the terms used to describe each LP era. We all have a general conception of how the LP sound has evoluate through the years. And in this conception, MTM is categorized like an alternative and soft album. Like somebody on LPL said... Hum, yes....but what we really don't know...is that MTM was originaly expected to be heavy. Seeing that, I remembered the alternative MTM covers we get one year after its release...and one of those (with staircases) totally looks like a cover made for an heavy album. I might be wrong, but the link between what Chester has said and this cover is interesting. So, what? I think all the songs from that heavy MTM era could possibly constitute some the most interesting LP material which hasn't been released yet. While we now have get a lot of the alternative songs from the MTM process, only 3 heavy songs from that period have surfaced: Qwerty, Given Up, No More Sorrow. And what's interesting with those 3 is that they reveal a side of Linkin Park we barely know: heavier, more organic, and more rough than everetyhing they've done before and after. Something between metal and agressive punk, with rap verses on Qwerty. To me, releasing those songs in the future could be a fabulous gift to the LP community. Way more interesting than releasing some random Hybrid/Metora demos for example, because we all have so much from that period already. But now that ATS and LPUX are out, there's a risk none of those heavy MTM demos will ever see the light of the day, because LP will probably focus on giving us ATS demos now. The only way we could still have a chance to hear it one day is to keep showing our interest in those demos. Maybe a reference/question about those in the LPL interview with Mike? Some questions during the next LPU event/chat? I don't know... Well, what do you think of it? Are you actually interested with it, or would you prefer Hybrid/Meteora/ATS demos? Do you know more informations about i? (interviews, ...). Let's talk!

No, you're right, Pretend to be WAS a MTM demo, but it was finished in 2008. Not Alone was also finished later...So, concerning the 5 B-sides, we now have: Across The Line No Roads Left Blackbirds and probably What We Don't KnowWe still miss 1 (or 2) song(s)....

Ok, I found it too...The last 2 pages of this thread are made of win

Actually, I liked Hybrid Theory before I liked music in general...One Step Closer still remains in my 10 favorite songs ever. Happy Birthday!

Actually, I liked Hybrid Theory before I liked music in general...One Step Closer still remains in my 10 favorite songs ever. Happy Birthday!

Some comments on Mike's blog will not change anything IMO. Just to point it out, there are thousands of people who are coming to LP shows, and seeing a minority of those being angry about the setlists is not enough to make Mike and the other guys change their mind. Until a big petition or something similar is not done, we will have the same setlist over and over again, at least during the european tour.

Other idea: A country dance session!

So ok, seeing all the reactions concluding "It sucks" didn't help me to consider your first post seriously. Sorry for that. I can assure you that the worse tinnitus sufferers are "victims" from concerts. First, headphones sound level is often regulated to 90-100 db max (in Europe, at least), whereas live shows top the 110 and sometines 120 db. Then, with headphones, you generally turn up the sound level progressively. But, in concerts, it all goes right away in your face. A "booooooooummmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!" is less dangerous than a "BoooooooooMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" for the ear, because she has the time to get used to the loudness. Yes, headphones are maybe causing more ear problems than concerts, but concerts are generally causing worse problems. Tinnitus, but also hyperacusis (can't hear a sound without suffering). You're right. I have to admit that, yes, 95 db was particulary soft for a show. I'm not against concerts at 100-105 db (even though I always wear ear protections), they're more fun and people at the back can actually hear the band for the performance they've paid for. It's logical. What pisses me off was the reactions on this thread, which seemed to say "Fuck sound restrictions! The louder, the better!". Sound restrictions can be useful, if they aren't too severe If this is a reason for restrictions, it's clearly a bad reason. However, second time I will say it, live shows can be very very very dangerous and I know there are restrictions because of that. In Belgium, a lot of parties can't go over 105db, not because David Guetta is evil, but to protect everyone health. Ok, but then, there should be way more advertisment to prevent people from noise danger.

Hmmmm...not really. Generally, people don't realize what are the risks until they actually have problems. That's why I think those restrictions are really good and safe. Maybe they were a little too strong in Argentina, but every concert should have sound restriction rules. Don't want to offend you or anything, but I was thinking the same way when I was 15. Now I have some regrets. If you want to destroy your ears, that's your problem,; but some other people might want to go to a show, have fun, and be safe at the same time. There's a difference between loud, and super extra uber fucking heavy loud.

OK. All of you....you don't FUCKING know what you're talking about. Maybe some of you will think I'm an ass or whatever, but I totally support the Argentina governement on this one. Do you know music at too loud level can destroy your ears? Basically, do you know what tinnitus is? Probably no. Tinnitus is a constant ringing in your ears, and once you have it, it's for the rest of your life. I have a "soft" tinnitus, due to listening to music at super heavy level. But I'm not here to complain about myself, that would be ridiculous. The fact is, I've always hate all the bastards who put the music at super super loud level during live shows, and who endanger everyone health because "loud = fun". I know its more fun...but what's the point of destroying its entire life for 1 show? I don't talk about myself (like I've said, my tinnitus is soft), but some guys have commit suicide because they couldn't live with an alarm in their head. People taking restrictions about sound level during live show are getting lot of insults in this thread, but do you think those restrictions are really useless? Do you think there mind is like "Ok, let's go soft, that will piss people off! Great!". Now I'm not saying live shows all should be very soft, because THAT would be boring. But fuck, 95 db is already loud. Max 105 db. But after, it's just stupid...

Classic signatiture BTW, for what we can see, the clip has potential, but Chester seems to be overplaying way too much, like he was a bad comedian. He has already done that in the past (Crawl Back In, New Divide), but now all those movements make him look like a caricature of himself IMO...

I just saw it on Mike's blog, and was like "Oh, this is awesome!!!! I'm going to post that on LPL, it will be my first news! Yeah!". But you beat me at it ... Anyway, really cool shout out

I will also quote what I've said in the other thread... But he could also sing very low along the studio recording, like somebody said. What doesn't change the fact he looks stupid with that freaking female voice IMO.

Yes, it sounds identical to the album version, almost sure. And I don't understand why Mike is doing that since there's no shame to only use sample of this female voice. It would make way more sense than faking a performance by him singing like a female... Anyway, I loved the videos of WAK, seems like it will become a killer live track (as we assumed).

I can't describe how I hate this sentence...but well, it's like that.... Interesting interview btw.

This thread makes me see LPL like a secret agency who has sent some of their spies to NY to collect informations....

99,9999999 % sure that The Requiem will open the show. Waiting For The End, The Catalyst, Irredescent, and WAK will be the other ATS songs being played. All in all, it would be 5 ATS songs in their first real show, wich is prety decent. For the rest, nothing exciting I guess. New Divide + HT singles (minus Papercut and POA) + Meteora singles (minus SIB and LFY) + MTM singles.

I'm kinda surprised to see all those good reviews about ATS. Because, in the same moment, new LP record is being heavily criticed in France/Belgium. I visited a lot of french sites today (yes, curiosity), and most of those are describing ATS as one of the worst shit ever made (WTF...). It's getting ratings like 2,5/20 // 4,5/10 // 1/5 //...Haters gonna hates, yes, but I had such never seen so much hate about LP....

Amazing stage, liked Chester voice, but Mike's one sounded horrible IMO. And now, I can finally get some sleep...

Was irony in fact ...but the f*cking strikethrough didn't work and it made me looks like a Bieber fan...lame...

Wow...so many people here are enduring the VMA's torture right now... Justien Bieber performance was kickass!!!