ThePretender Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Wretches and Kings wasn't a single. LP released the song as a stream to the public in the period between the release of The Catalyst and the waiting for the album. You know, to promote the album. An example is this. I'll Be Gone got some good airplay on KROQ, in the first quarter of 2013. But it was only on that station and nowhere else. Pretty strange. It wasn't a single though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipees Posted August 24, 2013 Author Share Posted August 24, 2013 Wretches and Kings wasn't a single. LP released the song as a stream to the public in the period between the release of The Catalyst and the waiting for the album. You know, to promote the album. An example is this. I'll Be Gone got some good airplay on KROQ, in the first quarter of 2013. But it was only on that station and nowhere else. Pretty strange. It wasn't a single though.Based on what you said, they both promos. You know a lot about the radio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueSoul Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 (edited) POWERLESS was a promo single in Australia, I believe. Recieved a lot of radio play. I wonder how many sings were released as promo for different countries. Edited August 25, 2013 by Soul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipees Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 POWERLESS was a promo single in Australia, I believe. Recieved a lot of radio play.It's already there as iTunes single, so there's point to put it in two categories. Almost all the official singles released as promo too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueSoul Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 It's already there as iTunes single, so there's point to put it in two categories. Almost all the official singles released as promo too.But it was released as an *official* single in a specific region while it was solely promotional in others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geki Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Wasn't Crawling w/ Chris Cornell (LPU8 exclusive) and Hunger Strike w/ Chester (Songs From The Underground) both mixed for radio singles in 2008? I remember reading that somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipees Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 Wasn't Crawling w/ Chris Cornell (LPU8 exclusive) and Hunger Strike w/ Chester (Songs From The Underground) both mixed for radio singles in 2008? I remember reading that somewhere.Can you find it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePretender Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Based on what you said, they both promos. You know a lot about the radio. I wouldn't say that they're promo singles. Wretches and Kings didn't got a release, no airplay and you couldn't download it. It was only a stream. Just a song that was uploaded, nothing more. And in the case of I'll Be Gone, I'd say that it's more like an album track that got some airplay instead of being a promo single. It was more the choice of KROQ. I'm interested in singles, sales and such so yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipees Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 I wouldn't say that they're promo singles. Wretches and Kings didn't got a release, no airplay and you couldn't download it. It was only a stream. Just a song that was uploaded, nothing more.Is that matter if it's on radio, TV or internet? I mean there is a chance that more people listen to it online (compare to if it ws on the radio). So it serve the purpose of promoting the album. And in the case of I'll Be Gone, I'd say that it's more like an album track that got some airplay instead of being a promo single. It was more the choice of KROQ.Radio station have the rights to play any song that they want, or they need permission? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[AndOne] Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Wasn't Crawling w/ Chris Cornell (LPU8 exclusive) and Hunger Strike w/ Chester (Songs From The Underground) both mixed for radio singles in 2008? I remember reading that somewhere.Pooch said that but I think this was just a cover up story for the later release. Or that was just what they told him. Radio station have the rights to play any song that they want, or they need permission?Quite often radio stations play other songs from albums. It's nothing unusual. If they have the whole album they can play it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipees Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 Quite often radio stations play other songs from albums. It's nothing unusual. If they have the whole album they can play it.So I'll Be Gone is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaticXero Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 ... Wretches and Kings didn't got a release, no airplay and you couldn't download it. It was only a stream. Just a song that was uploaded, nothing more. ... if I remember right it was also available as a download but only in an e-mail by lp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipees Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 if I remember right it was also available as a download but only in an e-mail by lpFor pre-orders only probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePretender Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Is that matter if it's on radio, TV or internet? I mean there is a chance that more people listen to it online (compare to if it ws on the radio). So it serve the purpose of promoting the album. Radio station have the rights to play any song that they want, or they need permission? But there's a difference between putting out a song of the album for people to listen to, and a single. Wretches and Kings was the first. Ofcourse, it will promote the album but it isn't neccesarily a single. I think another important factor in being a single is that is has to be released on a format. For instance, radio (airplay) or downloads (sales). That wasn't the case with Wretches and Kings. Radio stations are allowed to play any song they want from albums, except when it is limited to a release date. But the weird thing is, why did KROQ made the choice to play I'll Be Gone even though it wasn't an official single nor to promote a related event (AAC was already in the past). So I'll Be Gone is out.Yep. For pre-orders only probably.I think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipees Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 I think another important factor in being a single is that is has to be released on a format. For instance, radio (airplay) or downloads (sales). That wasn't the case with Wretches and Kings.I can say: Radio (airplay), downloads (sales) or online (stream). But let's leave it lol. W&K is out, thanks for all the information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePretender Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I can say: Radio (airplay), downloads (sales) or online (stream). But let's leave it lol. W&K is out, thanks for all the information. In theory you're right. But streams didn't count back then (if you were referring to charts), they do since this year. Glad I could help out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astat Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 One noteworthy one missing from the list is that there was a CD single released for Leave Out All the Rest from Road to Revolution. Lying From You was more or less released the same way from Live in Texas, except radio stations played the studio version while TV stations used the live video from LIT. Not really sure what the reasoning there was, other than maybe the idea that radio stations wouldn't want to play a live track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePretender Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 One noteworthy one missing from the list is that there was a CD single released for Leave Out All the Rest from Road to Revolution. Lying From You was more or less released the same way from Live in Texas, except radio stations played the studio version while TV stations used the live video from LIT. Not really sure what the reasoning there was, other than maybe the idea that radio stations wouldn't want to play a live track. You're right, the live version was a single as well. I have the cover art. I remember that you could also download it for free. The difference with Lying From You is that the video of the song was a live footage from Live in Texas and the song sent to the stations was the studio version. Just like Numb/Encore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipees Posted August 26, 2013 Author Share Posted August 26, 2013 LOATR live is a single or promo? You're right, the live version was a single as well. I have the cover art. Show me please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hahninator Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 One noteworthy one missing from the list is that there was a CD single released for Leave Out All the Rest from Road to Revolution. Lying From You was more or less released the same way from Live in Texas, except radio stations played the studio version while TV stations used the live video from LIT. Not really sure what the reasoning there was, other than maybe the idea that radio stations wouldn't want to play a live track. I believe that the band said at the time that the sudden surge in requests for LFY on radio resulted in the band/label releasing it as a single in summer 2004, when Breaking The Habit was either just released or right before it was released. I remember it was all over the radio in Atlanta and it still is to this day the LP song I hear the most on the radio by far. Well, until Project 96.1 went under haha. The band said the live video from LIT was released for it because they didn't have time to do a proper music video for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipees Posted August 27, 2013 Author Share Posted August 27, 2013 Why they never released CD single of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePretender Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 LOATR live is a single or promo? Show me please. Can't find it anymore bro . But I'm a big contributor to the Dutch Wikipedia and wrote this and wrote this when it came out. I didn't used sources though. You can Google Translate it, it has info about the release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipees Posted August 27, 2013 Author Share Posted August 27, 2013 Maybe this one? Click on the single cover to see the rest of the scans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePretender Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Maybe this one? Click on the single cover to see the rest of the scans. No, although this could be a source too. The one I had was like the RtR cover, but it had "Leave Out All the Rest (live)" written below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipees Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 The one I had was like the RtR cover, but it had "Leave Out All the Rest (live)" written below.The only thing that similar to this (that I know) is the RTR sampler. Edit: This? --- Added: Leave Out All The Rest (Live) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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