The Demo List Thread

[Astat]

Slip/Blue/So Far Away are odd, Chester didn't join the band until early 1999, so unless those recordings originally had Mark Wakefield on vocals and they just dubbed Chester in later, the 1998 dates are wrong (and either way, the versions we have wouldn't have been completed until 1999). I find it kind of strange that the band consistently labels that stuff as being from 1998 when the story of Chester cutting his vocals over the original Xero demos on his birthday in 1999 is so well-known.

[[AndOne]]

This shirt says it all: http://imageshack.us/f/823/1070186.jpg/ (top left)

[Geki]

I have that shirt.. the Linkin Park 1998 shirt. To be technical, LP really started in 1996/1997, just without Chester. The story goes that Chester got the Xero demo in the mail on his 23rd birthday, which would have been March 20, 1999. Weird. Maybe he got it earlier and he was wrong about it being his 23rd? Idk. I don't think Mike would label all those demos as 1998 if they weren't, since he picks and chooses all the demos we get for LPU himself.

[Skipees]

we know when Chester joined, but when Mark left?

[hahninator]

 

This is really interesting. You can hear samples of other stuff in them, for example Kingdom (3:29) has a sample I've heard before from an LPU track. I think it's from Coal. Anyone else have any other finds? Heretic sounds kind of familiar too...maybe it's similar to one of Mike's VMA score tracks.

 

Some of them are heavy as fuck, wow.

[LPngdf]

 

This is really interesting. You can hear samples of other stuff in them, for example Kingdom (3:29) has a sample I've heard before from an LPU track. I think it's from Coal. Anyone else have any other finds? Heretic sounds kind of familiar too...maybe it's similar to one of Mike's VMA score tracks.

 

Some of them are heavy as fuck, wow.

Heretic sounds a bit like the end from the Camden 2004 show. I mean the samples after OSC.

[Rasputin 93]

Hey, could someone add to the list on the first page kind of if/which demos are exactly the same ones on the different tapes? or just list the differences...

I saw something similar on lprevolution.net and it would really be a help!

[SergSlim]

Hey, could someone add to the list on the first page kind of if/which demos are exactly the same ones on the different tapes? or just list the differences...

I saw something similar on lprevolution.net and it would really be a help!

That's really hard to do now with all these different versions. This is in the plans for the future definitely...

[Rasputin 93]

ok can I add these similarity infos from lprevoution.net here and show them other to confirm them?

[hahninator]

Sure, post them here

 

I am working on a list with Astat for the next version of our website, which isn't that far away. We will take this info and add it.

[Rasputin 93]

italic means, that I think they're similar, but of course I'm not 100% sure.

if many different similarities -> italic + color

 

 

Papercut (6-Track): 3:09 (without drum beat in the intro, begins directly with the sample)

Paper Cut (Studio Finals): 3:11

 

Plaster (6-Track): 2:45

Plaster (David Kahne Mix): 2:36 ("Shut Up"-intro)

Plaster (Studio Finals): 2:42

 

Dust Brothers (6-Track): 3:42 (shorter Joe Hahn bridge; "I can't wait to see tomorrow" repeated several times as last refrain)

Now I See (Ozzfest Sampler): 3:25

Now I See (Studio Finals): 3:32

With You (HT Sampler Tape): 3:29 (the tempo is lower [i guess because of the cassette rip], shorter fade out)

 

Oh No (LPU X): 2:05 (instrumental beat)

Points & Authority (7-Track): 2:50

Points & Authority (9-Track): 2:48

Points and Authority (8-Track): 2:51 (worse quality due to the whole 8-Track CD)

Points of Authority (LPU 12): 3:04 (same as the purple ones except: first refrain repeated; additional break before second refrain)

Points of Authority (6-Track): 3:27 ("stop the talk show"-intro)

Points of Authority (hybridtheory.com): 3:20 ("stop the talk show"-intro)

Points of Authority (HT Sampler Tape): 3:24 (the tempo is lower [i guess because of the cassette rip])

Points of Authority (Studio Finals): 3:24

 

Crawling (9-Track): 3:50 ("AH!, I hate so much right now!"-intro; "so insecure"-part before second refrain only with samples/keys; short break before second verse; "Raindrops"-bridge)

Crawling (7-Track): 3:50 ("Raindrops"-bridge)

Crawling (8-Track): 3:51 ("Raindrops"-bridge; worse quality due to the whole 8-Track CD)

Crawling (6-Track): 3:30 (beat before the first verse is different from the 'Studio Finals' one; no "confusing what is real"-outro, just ends with the "controlling", music ends also earlier than the one from 'Studio Finals')

Crawling (Studio Finals): 3:28 (all differences are mentioned on the '6-Track' one)

 

Stick N Move (Xero Tape): 2:41

Stick And Move (LPU 9): 0:54 (instrumental beat)

Stick And Move (LPU 9 Acetate): 0:56

Runaway (Studio Finals): 3:12

 

Sad (LPU 9): 1:08 (instrumental beat)

Sad (LPU 9 Acetate): 1:19 (extended keyboard/synth intro)

Super Zero (9-Track): 3:16 ("So what do you think?"-intro; "always afraid"-bridge)

SuperXero (7-Track): 3.15 ("So what do you think?"-intro; "always afraid"-bridge)

SuperXero (8-Track): 3:16 ("So what do you think?"-intro; "always afraid"-bridge; worse quality due to the whole 8-Track CD)

Super Xero (hybridtheory.com): 3:12 ("what do I do..." off-beat)

By Myself (2-Track Demo CD): 3:13 ("what do I do..." on-beat)

By Myself (Raw Power): 3:09 ("what do I do..." on-beat; voice is more clear than on the previous one)

By Myself (Studio Finals): 3:15 ("By Myself"-scream samples in the intro)

 

[note: ("what do I do..." on/off-beat -> I can not make a huge difference on that) I still wrote it down cuz according to: http://www.hybridsoldier.de/lpr/index.php?...ub=14&sid=7 and http://www.hybridsoldier.de/lpr/index.php?...14&sid=606)]

 

Untitled (9-Track): 3:52 (extended bridge; longer outro)

Untitled (7-Track): 3:51 (extended bridge; longer outro)

Untitled (8-Track): 3:52 (extended bridge; longer outro; worse quality due to the whole 8-Track CD)

Untitled (6-Track): 3:50 (extended bridge; longer outro)

In The End (LPU 11): 3:52 (same as all above, except: a random bass note in the outro)

The Untitled (Studio Finals): 3:34

 

Esaul (LPU 11): 3:09 ("aztec moon"-lyrics)

Esaul (2-Track Demo CD): 3:08 (some scratch-effects in the bridge, first 'Go Away!'-scream only at the left audio channel)

Esaul (hybridtheory.com): 3:10 (some scratch-effects in the bridge, first 'Go Away!'-scream only at the left audio channel; "the second it starts"-line [Verse 2] is missing here)

Esaul (9-Track): 3:08

A Place For My Head (Studio Finals): 3:11

 

Rhinestone (Xero Tape): 3:36

Rhinestone (9-Track): 3:41

Forgotten (LPU 12): 3:44 (of course just better quality)

Forgotten (Studio Finals): 3:19

 

The Cure (Studio Finals): 2:35

 

The Cure For Mr. Hahn's Itch (Studio Finals): 3:15

 

And One (9-Track): 4:32

And One (7-Track): 4:32

And One (8-Track): 4:29

And One (HT EP): 4:29 (same as all above except: the audio channels are exchanged [listen at 0:50])

 

Carousel (7-Track): 3:00 ("she can only fool herself for so long" twice, breathe-in from Mike before last refrain)

Carousel (8-Track): 3:00 ("she can only fool herself for so long" twice, breathe-in from Mike before last refrain; worse quality due to the whole 8-Track CD)

Carousel (9-Track): 3:01 ("she can only fool herself for so long" three times, the second one by Chester, no breathe-in from Mike before last refrain)

Carousel (HT EP): 2:58 ("she can only fool herself for so long" three times, all by Mike; bridge is different from the previous ones)

 

Dedicated (LPU 2): 3:11

 

Part Of Me (7-Track): 3:43 (begins and ends 0,03 seconds later than the 8-Track one [no joke, there's some sounds missing actually at the start and more sound at the end)]

Part Of Me (8-Track): 3:45 (worse quality due to the whole 8-Track CD)

Part Of Me (9-Track): 3:38 (two intro loops before the first guitar sound [instead of four])

Part Of Me (HT EP): 12:41 (two intro loops faded in before the first guitar sound; "cut myself free" singing by Mike [not screamed by Chester]; bridge is different; last refrain three times [instead of two times]; additional ambient part at the very end)]

 

Step Up [HT EP]: 3:53

Step Up [in The End Single]: 3:54 (the outro is 0,2 seconds longer)

Edited July 29, 2013 by Rasputin 93

[Skipees]

very helpful, thanks for this.

 

one quick question: tempo can be slower because it's cassette rip?

[Rasputin 93]

yeah that's like vinyl rip. since some player don't really play the EXACT tempo, it could be that it records the tracks in a slower way. That's like if your watch's battery is getting low ^^ (don't know to explain it by other ways)

 

and thanks, yeah I wanted to do this for such a long time ago!!!

 

However I was motivated because I read this stuff with on/off the beat for By Myself, and was like WTF such minor differences...that was the only stuff where I used this site for information about comparisons.

 

And sry about my rant at 'Part Of Me' but what the fuck is that to extend it 6 minutes long with nonsense. Of course I know hidden tracks but not in the middle of a CD -> A Decade Underground.

Edited May 21, 2013 by Rasputin 93

[Skipees]

And sry about my rant at 'Part Of Me' but what the fuck is that to extend it 6 minutes long with nonsense. Of course I know hidden tracks but not in the middle of a CD -> A Decade Underground.

, i think this was the first sign of laziness by the band/crue behind them.

[SergSlim]

I've decided to add Dedicated (Demo), because LP consider it as a Demo, so why shouldn't we?

Added two sources for it (LPU 2 and SFTU).

[lpliveusername]

Add the Fort Minor Militia demos to the list.

[Skipees]

Add the Fort Minor Militia demos to the list.

so also the "Walking Dead" demo, and "State Of The Art" - Chester tweet they never finished it and it's basically a demo.

[SergSlim]

so also the "Walking Dead" demo

This one is in the list, actually.

Which Fort Minor songs are considered as Demos?

[Skipees]

This one is in the list, actually.

Which Fort Minor songs are considered as Demos?

"Do What We Did (Demo)" (Feat. Styles Of Beyond)

"Tools Of The Trade (Demo)" (Feat. Styles Of Beyond and Celph Titled)

"Strange Things (Demo)"

"Start It All Up (Demo)"

"Move On (Demo)" (Feat. Mr. Hahn)

 

from here.

[SergSlim]

"Do What We Did (Demo)" (Feat. Styles Of Beyond)

"Tools Of The Trade (Demo)" (Feat. Styles Of Beyond and Celph Titled)

"Strange Things (Demo)"

"Start It All Up (Demo)"

"Move On (Demo)" (Feat. Mr. Hahn)

 

from here.

And it's done!

[Skipees]

And it's done!

great .

 

what about State Of The Art?

[SergSlim]

great .

 

what about State Of The Art?

Link to any proof that it is demo?

[Skipees]

Link to any proof that it is demo?

Here

[Astat]

The original 91X radio premiere of State of the Art was promoted by DJ Lethal as being a track from his upcoming solo album, so I'm pretty sure, at least in his eyes, the track was finished...

[Skipees]

The original 91X radio premiere of State of the Art was promoted by DJ Lethal as being a track from his upcoming solo album, so I'm pretty sure, at least in his eyes, the track was finished...

and since this is his song, and Chester is only a guest, i'm with you.