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Anything to get more the victim more listens!

I like the idea but it doesn't work for me. After the original, it just sounds like someone is covering the instrumental but hasn't accurately figured it out yet. Should've gone all the way and changed out the percussion, and added some new harmonies to reflect the idea, and maybe some new riffs like the kind in Muse's Halloween song on their last album

My thoughts exactly. That first chorus cut felt like a mistake. There is nothing in this that is interesting at all. 100 Gecs was 100X more unique and interesting than this imo. I can imagine Mike thinking the 100 gecs remix was dope af, I can't imagine him being interested in this at all lol. I also wonder where this came from, I can only imagine it's for some trailer or something and someone said "might as well throw it on streaming"

Well, that was...something

I agree that LT has the worst mix, but I'm not sure that a better mix necessarily means it will sound more rock. I think it would be more like some of Muse's later work, where the synths and guitar sit more equally, but you can better pick apart the sounds and the song has a more lush "space" rather than sounding like a giant wall of noise. I actually think Powerless is alright on the album though, for some reason it sounds better than the others to me.

Idk why you're against age being a reason. Try and do what they did in 2001-2007 and see if you still have the energy and enthusiasm to move like that in your 30s. It's definitely not impossible, but it's not trivial either. A little knee or hip injury for example will go a long way in inhibiting someone's movement later in life. Brad broke his ankle at some point too right? And while putting on an energetic show is obviously important to them, they are not olympic athletes or something who are going to spend hours every day rehabbing to a certain point of performance.

Sick, that means we'll get some multitracks right? Also I'm very glad they're putting some effort into promoting MTV because it deserves at least as much as Fighting Myself, if not as much as Lost

That's what I'm thinking, but we also don't know what versions we have. They could have started out very different, and then slowly converged to the point where combining them felt more natural. I mean just look how much Resolution changed to become Lost. It's also hard to imagine Plaster 2 sounding too different if it's supposed to be OSC part 2. It could also be that they just had them separated as a creative exercise - flesh out everything on each track and then pick the best elements of each.

I agree that it is inconsistent and with your descriptions, except GATS to me sounds like every bit of it was intentional and pulled off well. It's got the right amount of "sloppiness" to it that I imagine mimics the styles and bands that inspired that sound. UIG though, like I said, is awful. I always felt Rebellion fell short of what it could be. ALITS sounds pretty good, even though their choice of vocal presence in that song is a bit strange for Chester's chorus

So with the song board showing Plaster 2 and Figure 09 as two different songs, I wonder how different they ever were given what plaster 2 sounds like on the M20 release. If they had Figure 09 (2002 demo) and Plaster 2 at the same time, surely they were already basically considering them the same song and wouldn't have them as two different songs on the board like that right? Makes me think there must be earlier seeds that were much more different and warranted separate places on the board

Since mixing is kind of a hot topic with Lost's 2 mixes and MTV/FM mixes, I'm curious to hear opinions across the discography. What tracks have the best and worst mixes in your opinion, and why? For me, Sorry For Now sounds fantastic. I love how big it sounds, how tight all the vocals are, the presence of the tiny percussion details in the verse, it all works. I also love a few ATS mixes like WTCFM, Blackout and Wretches and Kings. THP is a very mixed bag for me, but I think All For Nothing has the right kind of grit and "messy in the right ways" mix and works really well. For worst, I'm gonna have to say Until It's Gone. Chester's voice in the bridge hurts my ears sometimes, it's all so loud and squashed-sounding. I'll also say I'll Be Gone, because it all sounds squished together. There are such great strings and tones in that song, but there's no space between them, and you have to really focus to even figure out which sound is which. I think a better mix could have breathed new life into that song, as well as In My Remains

I think Mike's singing is great, but I think we've heard that falsetto-ish tone he's doing in the chorus there many times before and other impressive high vocals. Points of Authority verses live, back vocals in Ghosts, the "oooh" in New Divide live is pretty high and powerful, so is a lot of his backing in Nobody Can Save Me. He can definitely get up there, just not super comfortably. Massive doesn't surprise me based on all this stuff (and others I can't think of off the top of my head)

I haven't even heard it yet but I don't get the resistance to accept Resolution as a demo to Lost when we have Holding Company, Animals and Blue. Songs are just collections of beats, tempos, chord progressions, melodies, tones, samples...any piece can be taken out and brought into another project, slowed down, sped up, completely rearranged. If one bounce of a track represents elements or thinking that led to another bounce, then it is just so. "Demo" is a word we use to get that across. If the band calls it a demo, we might as well. Even if the band doesn't call something a demo, you could say that some tracks are "demos" just to get the idea across, i.e. So Far Away is a demo for Soundtrack, in a sense.

Every piece of material like the BBB clip, which mentioned Resolution, was tied to the Lost campaign, so I'm not really surprised. That to me gave it away with little room for doubt. Why would they play a random clip talking about another demo when teasing a specific single?

Now that we've heard Massive, have we ever had any hint of its existence? Like with Lost, we had the instrumental in LPTV and TTAMP, Healing Foot had the drum song clip, Fighting Myself had that one bit of the main riff being recorded...

This is the hard part of these releases I think. There are probably dozens of possible versions if you actually had all the session files, but things don't happen in obvious orders. A later bounce isn't necessarily gonna have vocals that an earlier bounce did, but might have more refined instruments. I think this is why Healing Foot doesn't have Rob's drums.

I think your theory makes sense. People often forget about "Animals", which sounds nothing like Roads Untraveled, yet became inspiration for it. Blue and Crawling are also a great pair. It could also be that Resolution and Lost just happen to share a key and BPM, but the BBB recorded clip makes it seem more likely to me. People also don't think about the demos as being able to become "finished" and then re-recorded in the studio. Healing Foot for example...while it may not have the live drums, it might sound more "finished" as a demo they made at home than any form it had in the studio where the drum tracking clip came from. Sometimes artists try to do as much as they can before going into the studio, and then they start a whole new session from scratch to record it "for real". I'm sure LP's process was a bit more nuanced, but the idea applies imo. Don't know why people are trying to hard to shut you down on this, let's just wait to find out.

Ok I figured. It just seemed like it was being referred to with such confidence lol.

I would guess The Hunting Party-era stuff probably. Until It's Gone felt like it was engineered for success and it doesn't even seem to be that big within these hardcore fan circles. It also got a nice MV. Final Masquerade is kind of a weird one with the big MV and also the attention on the acoustic section. Choosing to play ALITS always seemed a little odd to me and felt like a sort of "let's make more people aware of THP" kinda play. And after years of "I wish LP would do heavy stuff again", I'm pretty surprised it wasn't bigger, except for the fact that I can see nothing truly captured everything HT and Meteora had. The closest feel musically was wastelands, but the lyrics mean nothing to most people. Maybe they thought Iridescent would be bigger as well because of the Transformers feature?

It sounds like Massive is a "full" song then? That's awesome. I thought we'd only get the 3, it's crazy to me that there's more. Seems ambiguous as to whether Resolution is also a full song, but if it was one of the 15 that made it to NRG, I guess so? 6 new full songs is awesome if so Also, I can't believe how much this fandom likes the wizard song lmao. It would be cool to listen to like once, but I'm much happier to hear that it has actual serious lyrics and that's what we're getting

Yeah exactly. Plus you have to put success into perspective here...both Invisible and Sorry For Now have more than 40 million plays each. Warner has many artists that would kill for those kinds of plays on a new lead single, let alone deeper cuts like those are. Mike himself will reliably get over a few million plays on everything he releases (barring the instrumental albums). I don't think anyone is gonna miss a vacation or car payment because LP puts out pop instead of nu metal.

I see the vision, but I wouldn't bet on proving their ability to be aggressive actually being important to them. Honestly I expect the next release, if it ever happens and despite what some of us might want, to be quite chill and pop. Something that would fit in with Coldplay's Music of The Spheres type sound, with the lyrics and melodies being more important than the energy or how metal/aggressive they can be

I don't think it would be that weird to get the same demo chorus of Figure 09 just with verses added in. I could see it existing and they just held back the first time. I say this after having found out they gave us Cumulus without following up on the full song until now. We also know there's pretty obvious stuff (like later versions of Part of Me) that didn't make HT20 and instrumentals not on M20. It's obvious at this point that saving some stuff for later is part of the label's strategy for every LPU release and now the 20th anniversary editions Much like Fighting Myself, there could also be multitracks that got stitched together resulting in the same demo but with verses.

What do y'all actually want from a new LP track? I feel like there's gonna be a lot of disappointment no matter what direction they take. Personally, I think something like Debris would be a great sound. It's Mike-led, you have the gang vocals to make the whole band feel present on a track that is gonna be looked at through the lens of "who are these guys without Chester", and it has their hybrid sound without being HT/Meteora Either that, or I'd like a track that is super organic. Acoustic guitars or little distortion, a rhythm section that is expressive, etc. Like Three Band Terror or Final Masquerade Acoustic but with more interesting instrumentation

I couldn't disagree more about the Lost mix, I think the new modern mix makes it more exciting. I especially love the presence of the low end and the drums. Fighting Myself also sounds of a piece with it by comparison to something like Hit The Floor or other Meteora mixes. I'm psyched to hear the comparison with the 2002 mix just to learn from it, but I love the new mix.