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I really doubt Chester can. When he's with STP, his voice isn't NEARLY pushed to the limits it's pushed at when he plays with LP. He has parts that are substantially higher or just flat out more challenging on his voice with LP than with STP. Granted, if they kept this general setlist layout, they COULD do two hours. But, if they start doing standard setlists again, no way can Chester handle it.

1. Mark The Graves 2. What I've Done (Ext. Guitar Solo Bridge) 3. In The End 4. Lying From You (2008 Intro) 5. All For Nothing 6. Keys To The Kingdom (Hard Start) 7. No More Sorrow (Long Intro; Drum Transition Outro) 8. Bleed It Out (Drum Solo Intro) 9. Empty Spaces 10. When They Come For Me 11. From The Inside 12. In My Remains 13. Numb ('Numb/Encore' Intro/Outro + v1 Guitar) 14. Hands Held High (Shortened (Intro/First Verse/Chorus Only)) 15. Waiting For The End (Apaches Intro w/ 'Hands Held High' v2; Wall of Noise Outro) 16. Drawbar (Shortened (Piano Ending Only)) 17. Final Masquerade 18. Castle Of Glass (Experience Version; Ext. Bridge w/ 'Wisdom, Justice, And Love' Speech Samples + 'Kenji' v1; Oppenheimer Outro) 19. Burn It Down 20. New Divide 21. Rebellion (Ext. Outro) ----------------------- 22. Fallout (w/ 'Darker Than Blood' Vox) 23. A Line In The Sand 24. Blackout 25. Faint (Ext. Outro) 26. One Step Closer (Ext. Outro) 27. Lost In The Echo (Ext. Outro)

1. Those one minute things add up. DTB is one minute, Joe's Medley is two, Robot Boy is two etc. Drop those, and you have time for both Keys and War. It's a rarity for LP, sure, but it's a rarity in the same vein as Robot Boy. It's not needed at all, and it serves little to no purpose in the set. 2. I agree with the flow thing. It's very top heavy right now, leaving the last 2/3 to rather boring stuff. Especially the tracks right after COG. Ballad Medley -> Burn It Down is SO boring. The encore is also pretty shitty right now, but I disagree on the WID thing. With the solo, it's a really amazing live song right now. It's one of my favorite Brad solos. It shouldn't be in the encore, though, I agree. 3. 100% agree about BIO. It's such a shitty closer right now with just the sing-a-long. It was epic back in 2010-2011 when there was shit like "RME v1, Drum Solo, APFMH v1 + Bridge". That was fucking incredible. Hell, even the last show of the Fall Euro tour last year had a pretty sweet BIO. Right now, it's boring, and it's definitely not a closer.

Right now, while Fort Minor is back and active, drop the FM stuff from the LP shows. Use those slots to play shit like WAK, WTCFM, LITE, or some new shit like Keys or AFN.

The band is really inconsistent with their attitude towards their setlist. "We have to play the singles that the casuals love" - plays Robot Boy, Joe's Medley etc. "We want to play more new stuff live" - Drops half the songs from their new album within a year "We'll drop Crawling first" - Crawling is in full now It seems like they WANT to try some riskier stuff, but they just don't feel comfortable doing it. I mean, the band LOVED stuff like LITE, WTCFM, NMS, GATS etc., but they drop those for shit that bores them. They don't HAVE to play every single they've released in their setlist, but they seem to think they do for some reason. Them dropping ITE for APFMH based on "fan vote", which totally went in favor of ITE, is really the prime example that the band WANTS to play deeper cuts, but they still feel obligated to make sure no single goes untouched. I mean, think about it. How many singles from LP's discography haven't been played on this cycle in some form? One. Burning In The Skies.

I get the feeling the band takes a lot of feedback from crowd reaction. For example, on the LT tour, the newer songs got a pretty good reaction. LITE, BID, LGM, COG, and Victimized definitely seemed to get the crowd pumped up. The cycle for THP, however, has had the opposite effect. The crowd just doesn't know any of the newer songs, at least in the US, which probably plays a role in why they were dropped. Guilty was an anticlimactic opener solely because the crowd didn't get into it all that much. The hardcore fans loved it, but that's really it. That was the case for pretty much all the songs from THP that they tried to play. Wastelands and Final Masquerade get the best reactions, from what I've seen, and that's why they're still around. So, the band probably has the mentality of "Why bother learning these new songs when they'll blow up for Numb or Faint?", and rightfully so. The remaining songs from THP would be somewhat difficult to pull off live, especially when compared to the simpler shit from the early albums. I mean, we complain about the Ballad Medley on here all the time, but the crowd fucking loves it. Why would they drop that when they know 90% of the people who go to shows love it for Mark The Graves, a song that I guarantee you only 5% of the crowd would get excited for? Is there a better balance they could find? Absolutely. Hell, I'm the self-proclaimed "Setlist Master", and I've found tons of ways to improve the set by maintaining shit the crowd loves and incorporating new shit. But, I don't think the band wants to put that effort in anymore. There's also Chester's voice to consider, especially since 3/4 of the remaining THP songs they didn't play would be really hard on him. I'm pretty sure his voice is the reason stuff like Robot Boy and Joe's Solo, both of which get little reaction, are still being played. They give Chester a break. I'm also sure Brad not wanting to learn the songs plays a role, since all four of the remaining THP songs are actually relatively difficult on guitar by LP standards. I'm sure singles will be the staples of the setlist. I wouldn't be surprised if, starting with LP7, the band played only the singles from the album. Hell, they pretty much did that with THP. ALITS was, technically, the only non-single to be played, since Wastelands was a promotional single.

I want you to take a look at my member title. That should explain it a bit

...me? I've been making that comparison for a LONG time.

I really want to hear MOTD, now, if it's real. If it was mentioned, I don't remember it, and it's not in the Song Info thread.

Don't we know the working title of FM was Drawbar? I'd say that probably rules out any of those other titles being FM. The Hunt being The Summoning seems about right, and Viserion being one of the jams with Morello would fit, especially given at least one of the jams was heavier, which that name would imply. March Of The Dead is probably a track that didn't make the cut.

Great post, Skipees. Yeah, it made the album. It was called Don't Stay

I'm inclined to believe China does grasp that to an extent. Bleed it Out has a lot of lyrics throughout the verses that are along those lines, but it wasn't banned. If China didn't grasp the concept of not taking lyrics at face value, I guarantee you Bleed it Out would have been banned in 2009. Tone says a lot about the message of a song, and Keys gives off a vibe of just fucking around and having fun, whereas Given Up doesn't.

The lyrics could be interpreted in a way that the Chinese government didn't like. The whole chorus and bridge, for example, could "stir some shit" to rephrase my friend Chris. It certainly isn't a song that's akin to either BIO or KTTK in a "fun jam" sort of way. It's a more serious song.

I'm pretty sure you're right. The politically charged or, as you called them, "shit-stirring" lyrics is what'll get a song banned, not swearing. Swearing just gives them another reason to do so. Hence, why I assume GU, WAK, and Rebellion will be banned, and why KTTK and BIO will be allowed.

I really don't think profanity is the sole reason Given Up and Hands Held High were banned. Bleed it Out was allowed, and that has swearing too.

I actually also do want this. Only because it's one of the few LP songs we don't have a proshot-quality recording of.

Well, this was, more than likely, submitted sometime in January, so they were still playing the Mashup Intro.

Set A 1. The Summoning (Ext. Chimes Outro) 2. White Noise 3. Faint (Ext. Outro) 4. Lost In The Echo 5. Papercut 6. Keys To The Kingdom 7. Empty Spaces 8. When They Come For Me 9. In My Remains 10. Wastelands 11. Points of Authority (Ext. Intro w/ 'Welcome' v1; Ext. Outro w/ 'Reading My Eyes' v1) 12. Until It Breaks (Shortened (Intro/First Verse/Second Verse/Chorus Only)) 13. Waiting For The End (Apaches Intro w/ 'Until It Breaks' v3; Wall of Noise Outro) 14. Final Masquerade 15. Castle Of Glass (Experience Version; Bridge w/ 'Wisdom, Justice, and Love' Speech Samples; Oppenheimer Outro w/ 'The Catalyst' Vox) 16. Burning In The Skies 17. New Divide (Short Synth Intro) 18. In The End 19. Numb (Numb/Encore Intro/Outro w/ v1 Guitar) 20. Burn It Down 21. What I've Done (Ext. Guitar Solo Bridge) 22. Bleed it Out (Ext. Intro; Ext. Bridge w/ 'Reading My Eyes' v1 + Drum Solo; Ext. Ending) -------------------- 23. Fallout (w/ 'Darker Than Blood' Vox) 24. A Line In The Sand 25. Blackout 26. A Place For My Head (Guitar Solo Intro; Ext. Bridge) 27. One Step Closer (Ext. Outro) Set B 1. Mashup Intro #2 (w/ 'Session', '1stp Klosr', 'The Requiem', 'The Summoning', 'The Catalyst', 'Guilty All The Same') 2. Guilty All The Same 3. No More Sorrow (Long Intro) 4. By Myself 5. Victimized (w/ QWERTY) 6. Wretches and Kings 7. Lying From You 8. From The Inside 9. Blackout (Ext. Transition Outro) 10. Mark The Graves 11. In The End 12. Lost In The Echo 13. Hands Held High (Shortened (Intro/First Verse/Chorus Only)) 14. Waiting For The End (Apaches Intro w/ 'Hands Held High' v2; Wall of Noise Outro) 15. Castle Of Glass (Acoustic Version) 16. Robot Boy (Acoustic Version; Piano Transition Outro) 17. Drawbar (Shortened (Piano Ending Only)) 18. Final Masquerade 19. Burn It Down 20. New Divide 21. Numb (Numb/Encore Intro/Outro w/ v1 Guitar) 22. Bleed It Out (Ext. Intro; Ext. Bridge w/ Drum Solo, 'A Place For My Head' v1 + Bridge; Ext. Ending) ------------------------ 23. What I've Done (AMBO Intro; Ext. Guitar Solo Bridge) 24. Rebellion 25. One Step Closer (Ext. Outro) 26. A Line In The Sand 27. Faint (Ext. Outro)

Dude. You're fucking awesome. That's actually really interesting to see. London being the number one city for LP was really shocking. I thought for sure it'd be Vegas or LA.

I am 99% sure some songs will be banned, unless you know something I don't. GU, Rebellion, and Wretches are the most likely candidates, which would eliminate Mike's Medley, too. Mike will probably do the version of RTN he did live with FM, and the band will play APFMH and/or WY in place of Given Up. Keys is a possibility, though. That's actually a very good point. Small stuff like The Requiem, The Catalyst, Robot Boy, and Blackout were on there, meaning they probably had to ask for every snippet of a song they plan on using. Not asking for UIB might just mean no Apaches on this tour.

Just about to link that video, JZ.

He just really wants it

If that's the songs that are allowed, stuff like WAK, GU, and Rebellion is really surprising to make the cut. Or is that the songs the band wants approved? If so, Keys, huh? This list is every song played on the cycle minus the HT songs from Download and plus KTTK, so this is probably the songs the band wants approved.

What you two are probably looking for in terms of "ATS era demo that was shortened for LT, but was better in long form" is Tinfoil, the original demo for Powerless.

Damn. The batteries are dead. Allow me to fix that