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Never heard of this Technics Tracks service before, no idea if it's legitimate or if they're just re-encoding the CD audio and trying to pass it off as "HD." However, all 8 of those same releases (minus the GATS single) are also on HDTracks, which I'd highly recommend, it's much more reputable. They're all in 24-bit quality at at least 44.1k. Hybrid Theory, Meteora, Minutes to Midnight, and A Thousand Suns are in 48k, while The Hunting Party is available at 96k (!!!). http://www.hdtracks.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=linkin+park You don't necessarily need a high-end audio system to hear the difference, as long as you've got audio drivers on your computer that don't screw with the EQ of tracks when you play them back (like Beats Audio) and a good pair of studio-quality headphones with an authentic frequency response, you can still hear the difference.

"Guitar Sound" by Ronald Jenkees (the audio in the fake LP video is from this performance video, a more polished version was released later on Ronald's album): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smE-uIljiGo If you go back far enough in the comments on the video, you'll see people accusing him of ripping off Linkin Park, even though the video was posted like a year before the fake LP video using the audio. Whoever the asshole who posted the fake LP video was disabled comments on the video after a bunch of people (myself included) called him on his bullshit. Some updates I've been meaning to post to this thread: -The version of "Headstrong" in question is actually the Trapt demo version, and it's specifically attributed to being a Xero demo for some reason, even though the song was written several years after Xero ceased to exist. -The version of "Dust in the Wind" in question is not the Scorpions cover, it's the live version from Kansas' live album Two for the Show. -Regarding "Marco Polo," I've seen conflicting reports regarding Mike's involvement on that song/album. He's apparently not listed in the liner notes anywhere, but Ryu says Mike did production work on 2000 Fold in this interview, without mentioning what specific track(s) he worked on... -Regarding the "Tupac and Biggie Tribute," I have NEVER seen 30 Seconds to Mars associated with this track. It was on filesharing networks for years as featuring various combinations of Linkin Park, Eminem, 50 Cent, Stagga Lee, Jay-Z, etc, but outside of Linkin Park it was always associated with rappers. The 3 Grey Daze tracks that were re-recorded for No Sun Today (What's In the Eye, Sometimes, and Hole) were also frequently mislabeled as being "live acoustic versions" for some reason...

*Edit* Figured out everything that's actually legible, save for the fourth track down on the left side: Left side: Out of Reach Sleepwalking Hands & Knees ? This Is Not My Home Can We Go Back (Rest is pretty much impossible to read due to the change in lighting halfway down the board) Right side: Staring Back Lost My Horizon Talkin' to Myself Fire Escape (Blank) Can We Go Back II: The Future (there's an arrow next to "Can We Go Back" on the left side that points to this song on the right side, looks like a two-part song/reprise type idea?) Rival I Can't Outrun Locked Outside Heavy Also, don't forget we previously got the title "El Chopo" from this photo: https://www.instagram.com/p/BB1JL1VCO_Q/ The days of sales like that are long gone, unless your name is Adele or Taylor Swift. That's just how the industry is now.

Yeah, Josh is LP's #2 engineer behind Ethan Mates. Ethan's been with them consistently since Minutes to Midnight, while Josh has been around for everything from New Divide onwards, with the exception of Living Things.

No it didn't. http://lpcatalog.com/item/2012_living-things/cd/0093624950486_us

Because the song was going to be a single whether it was on the Transformers soundtrack or not. http://mithunonthe.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/linkin-park-a-thousand-suns-cd+dvd-edition.jpg

Yeah, no way does the chorus only appear in the song once. I'm still 100% convinced Chester's voice is mixed in there on the chorus of the live version, but that vocal track isn't present anywhere in what we've heard of the studio version (studio version - 2 Mike vocal tracks an octave apart, live version - Chester and Mike singing in unison). Might come in later in the song. Predicting that the full thing is in the 5+ minute range.

Now that I think about it, I seem to recall it being said somewhere that So Far Away was done in the first batch of demos after Chester joined the band, like Blue, Slip, and the first version of Esaul. If that's the case, Hurry probably came later. The sound quality is a lot better on this than on So Far Away too, and the guitars sound like they're the same recording as the guitar tracks on So Far Away, so logistically it makes sense that So Far Away would have come first...

All LPU demos dated as 1998 are incorrectly labeled and are actually from 1999, due to Mike's mistaken belief for many years that Chester had joined the band in 1998, which was later proven to be untrue. *Edit* Mike doesn't mention So Far Away in the video. He says that this song "never got any lyrics," and that it was entirely created on an MPC - Brad's guitar parts and Rob's drum parts were all loaded on the MPC and Mike arranged the song by sampling everything with the pads. This leads me to believe one of two things: 1. This is actually an earlier demo of So Far Away, and Mike just completely forgot the song existed (which wouldn't surprise me), or... 2. So Far Away had already been abandoned at this point, and some samples/riffs from it were re-used in the creation of this song. I have no idea which of these is actually true. Regardless, Mike has made so many statements about the band's history that are known to be untrue that I really don't think his memory should be trusted anymore. He refers to Carousel and Part of Me as "Xero demos" in the same LPU video where he discusses this song, he said in the Facebook live stream the other day that Manny Marroquin had mixed two of their albums when he only worked on Living Things...

There was a situation last year where a completely unrelated song got tagged with Linkin Park as the artist on the BMI catalog for some reason. I feel like this may be a similar situation. Also, how hasn't anyone noticed that in the Ethan Mates picture, the folder title at the very top of the screen is "LP ALBUM 7 MAIN" ?

Video was probably shot with Joe's Meteora-era DJ rig because all of his new stuff for the tour had just been put together at Third Encore during rehearsals.

There's a really low-pitched "wind blowing" sound effect underneath most of the intro that kind of rises and falls in pitch a couple times (not the louder "turntable slowing down" type noise right before the guitar harmonics begin). It's that droning sample, slowed down considerably.

The By Myself sample is used for the rhythmic scratching in the second half of both Hit the Floor verses. It's a different scratch than the one found later in the song.

Yeah, that wasn't actually a stage-used Joe vinyl, it was the vinyl they used for the local DJ battles they had in between sets on Projekt Revolution 2002. That's why it has a mixture of Hybrid Theory samples and other random stuff on it.

It's possible that Joe used the same scratch in both songs. The vinyl is definitely all Meteora and follows the order of the tracklisting though.

Ahh, forgot about that. That would explain it then!

I take it you don't like most Linkin Park vocal tracks either then?

Nah, they're the same too. I was just going off of how this person probably compiled everything and why some tracks are there twice. That explains the POA demo being on there twice, but not Frgt/10.

Tracks 1-8 are the demo CD LPLive released: http://lplive.net/wiki/db/exclusives/exclusive-reanimation-demos Track 9 is the demo released by Amp Live years ago. Track 10 is the demo released on Jay Gordon's website years ago. Track 12 is DJ Vice's short In the End remix, I don't believe a full version was ever released. I don't believe that one was actually from the Reanimation sessions (it was released under the "Enth e Nd" title for some reason, but all it samples is the original In the End intro). Track 13 just sounds like the regular instrumental version of Enth e Nd that's been around forever. The two Frgt/10 demos are EXACTLY the same, I ripped them and synced them up in Audacity and the soundwaves are identical throughout both tracks with no audible differences. One just has a couple extra seconds of silence at the beginning/end of the track.

Chester is clearly singing along with Mike on the chorus you guys...

FYI, when it comes to anything pre-WB record deal, don't take songwriting credits as gospel regarding who was actually in the band when a song was written. Prior to having a record deal, there wasn't a ton of financial incentive to splitting songwriting royalties evenly, so they tended to credit who the primary composers of a song were, rather than just crediting everyone in the band as a co-writer. This is why 3 of the 4 Xero demo tracks are just credited to Shinoda/Wakefield, even though at minimum, Brad is definitely playing guitar on all of them. Same goes for Rob not being credited on the Hybrid Theory EP songs that don't have live drums on them. I don't really think there was much of a gap between Mark's departure and Chester joining the band, and what time there was in between was probably primarily spent looking for a singer rather than writing music. I'm pretty confident that Chester was in the band when Dedicated, High Voltage, and Step Up were written, but he barely does anything on any of those songs so they probably felt like his contribution didn't warrant a songwriting credit. The flip side of this in the post-record deal world would be something like how The Messenger was entirely written by Chester and only half the band plays on it, but it's still credited to everybody.

There was a LOT more evidence of them being further along than this before GATS came out. The number of studio photos we've seen to this point vs. what we got during the THP process are outnumbered probably 5 to 1. If they were at the point of "songs are mostly just one instrument + vocals at this point, we're working on getting solid lyrics and melodies first" just a couple weeks ago, they haven't magically whipped up an album or likely even a single completed song in the time since.

Even though there's no recording of the show in question to actually confirm that "Mellow Interlude" and "Be Yourself" are indeed the same piece of music? Okay then.

My biggest question in all of this...why, after all these years, are we STILL referring to this as "In Yourself" and not "Be Yourself," despite Chester CLEARLY 100% BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT TO ANYONE WITH A FUNCTIONING SET OF EARS singing "Be Yourself" on the 6/2 recording? lol.