Astat

It was from the "documentary" style footage that was shown between bands on the webcast of the Clarkston, MI PR07 show (a lot of the footage wasn't used anywhere else). The footage of Phoenix singing Pushing Me Away was actually shot backstage at the Cuyahoga Falls, OH show, as well as the Mike "syrup shot" clip.

Yeah, I noticed that in the pictures. I figured nobody had paid much attention to it though, since the only people with a physical copy of the CD right now are people who went to the LPU Summit. Plus we knew it was a possibility, the Japanese CD-only edition of LPU9 came in a jewel case, and Adam said it was something he was working on making happen. Makes sense though, the slipcases came and went with the Best Buy packages. They pretty much had to use a slipcase for those to be able to squeeze all of the items into that little box, and it didn't make much sense for them to use 2 different case types for the Best Buy and non-Best Buy packages, that would mean 2 separate runs of the CDs, which would mean far greater production costs.

Across the Line is definitely the best track between the 2 CDs, but I think LPUX is a little bit stronger overall than LPU9. </my2cents>

Just one last follow-up on Herning, I just listened to the show and all the mp3 files sound fine, no skips. So it looks like those 2 photos are the only corrupt files. I emailed Basecamp support about it, and I know Mark said he's asking Pooch, but I don't think Pooch has anything to do with the photos/the downloads.linkinpark.com website. If I recall correctly, the last time we had problems with DSP photos, Adam got the whole thing straightened out pretty quickly, so if he sees this, maybe he can help us out, or if not, somebody could contact him and see if there's anything he could do?

Just noticed this, I believe the intro to Shadow of the Day has been extended at all the 2010 shows. It's nothing special really, they loop the intro beat a couple more times (probably to get the audience clapping or something), but it's still something different. I think that also accounts for the intro of the song being called "messed up" in the notes for this show - http://lplive.net/shows/20101022.php I don't really hear anything different about it than any other show from the tour. And I still think we should note somehow that the instrumental portion of The Radiance is played underneath the Mario Savio speech during the intro to Wretches and Kings.

Just throwing this out there - I've heard the whole "threat of legal trouble" argument against releasing numerous shows in the past, many of which are now commonly circulating. I'm not aware of anybody that's ever gotten into any trouble for doing so. The worst thing that usually happens is you end up pissing off a trader/taper who didn't want their stuff shared, and they refuse to do business with you in the future. In most cases, that isn't a huge loss (there are always other people who can do business with them later on). I doubt I'm going to make a difference by saying this, but I've just seen the "fear" tactic used a ton in the past, and it usually amounts to nothing but empty threats. I'm going to stay out of this, I've seen way too many shows slip through the cracks for one reason or another over the years that I seriously don't even care anymore. If it pops up someday, great, if not, I've got the DSPs, that's really all I need anymore. Anything else is just a nice little bonus. I also have no desire to be part of the trading business anymore, because quite frankly, I think it's turned into a dirty business full of unpleasant people who are only in it for personal gain. LP's been around for over a decade now, I suppose it was only a matter of time before the hoarders/people who only trade/share shows under certain conditions started to outnumber the "no-B.S." traders - it happens with every other well-established band out there. "If I've got something you don't have, I'll trade it for something you have that I don't. After that, you can do whatever the hell you want with it." - If only it was still that simple...

Yeah, that's actually the same way the studio version's played minus the capo, the high E string isn't played at all though.

The piano is in the studio version...and the piano/drums have been played at every performance.

Probably not Pooch's problem. You most likely got an incomplete download of those 2 files from downloads.linkinpark.com. It's happened to other people before, and there's really no way of knowing it's happened without manually checking every file since they don't include a .md5 with the downloads (something I think they should really start doing). I think I'm going to buy Herning and see if the same thing happens to me, I'll let you know what happens. On a completely unrelated note, I noticed that they've fixed the issue with Berlin where Wisdom, Justice, and Love/Iridescent were one mp3 file originally, so I might re-download that one as well. *Edit* Just finished re-downloading Herning, and the same 2 photos are corrupt for me. Obviously a problem at downloads.linkinpark.com's end. Not too happy that I just spent $10.74 on nothing, but at least nobody else has to worry about doing the same thing now.

The download of Herning that's up at "the usual place" is corrupt, or at least the file chester.guitar.jpg is. Haven't had a chance to check on the mp3 files to see if there are any skips, but that one photo was definitely a corrupt download from downloads.linkinpark.com (the photo doesn't load completely).

That post you're talking about was in reference to live performances. I also never claimed that the band doesn't use Auto-Tune, I just said how it annoys me when people call things Auto-Tune that aren't Auto-Tune.

Possibly, but then again, there are backing vocal parts on the studio versions of older songs that they're still playing live that have always been left out in the past, and they aren't using the other members for those, so I'm thinking they'll just use Brad/Joe/Phoenix's backing vocals strictly for ATS songs now.

Herning is up now...no idea how long it's been there, but apparently I'm the first one to notice?

It's apparently all 6 members of the band on the "amen" part on the studio version. The "with hands held high..." part at the end is Mike layered 3 times on the studio version, but it's him, Chester, and Phoenix live. Phoenix sings the middle of the 3 harmony parts at the end of the live version.

You guys are aware that LP has been using Auto-Tune since Hybrid Theory, right? Antares (the company that makes Auto-Tune) has been included in the "Linkin Park uses" section of their album credits since the beginning of their career.

For what it's worth, the "unconfirmed" February 13th date in Cincinnati was on the list of shows in the email that the street team just sent out.

Clearly fake. Yeah, the one on Frat Party would probably be the earliest version. I'm not sure when the 8-track demo was released, but the 9-track was January of 2000. I don't think She Couldn't and Be Yourself are related, I think I made a post right after She Couldn't came out that said something about the guitar parts being kind of similar, but they sound different enough that I don't think they're related. The "legal reasons" Mike referred to likely have to do with the sample of "B-Boy Document '99" by High and Mighty that's used throughout the song. They probably never got legal clearance to use that sample. I also can't help but suspect that it probably falls under the category of "the band won't talk about anything Warner doesn't want them to talk about."

I actually legit lol'd at this. I agree with whoever posted earlier that "Does it Offend You, Yeah?" is one of the worst band names ever. I don't mind The Prodigy too much, and Pendulum/DIOYY? show some potential, but none of them are acts that I have any interest in. I've endured far worse to see LP (Hawthorne Heights anyone?), but I really wish they'd get some better opening bands. Then again, part of me is also just bitter that I missed the LP/Coheed and Cambria/Chiodos tour, because C&C is one of my other favorite bands.

Looks like between tickets for at least 2, possibly 3 people to St. Paul and a trip back home to Ohio for Christmas, Astat's bank account is going to be thoroughly exhausted in the near future.

The Xero tape was probably recorded in late 1996-early 1997, but it was definitely released in 1997. The Stick and Move demo on LPU9 was done AFTER the one on the Xero demo. The only part of Stick and Move that was recycled in Runaway was the guitar riff and the general feel of the beat, and the LPU9 demo is probably a transitional piece that was done after they had scrapped the original song, but before they had built up a new one. And yes, Chester re-recorded vocals over the top of an instrumental version of the Xero demo, that was his audition tape for the band. We even know the exact date that happened - March 20th, 1999, because Chester's stated he spent his birthday in a studio recording the vocals for his audition tape. Yep, it's pretty reasonable to assume that Sad and Oh No are the earliest versions of By Myself and Points of Authority, as they're the most undeveloped demos of both songs. I'd say Oh No was probably recorded around the same time as Sad, which would likely be early 1999, right around the same time Chester joined the band. Anything with Chester singing on it has to be from 1999 or later, as he joined the band in the spring of that year. Mark Wakefield is credited as a writer of A Place for My Head, Forgotten, and Runaway (as well as all subsequent versions of those songs on Reanimation), because those songs date back to the Xero days. There's also a BMI catalog entry for Pictureboard that credits him as a writer of that track too. That Xero live setlist going around is FAKE. It's been confirmed that In the End was written by Mike one night when he stayed at their rehearsal space alone, which was after Chester had joined the band and the name had been changed to Hybrid Theory. So Carousel was never called Explode either (nor was Part of Me called The Team). I'd assume Mark will be credited as a writer on Coal as well, just because of the timeframe it dates from, and LP has always been pretty consistent about crediting all the members of the band as writers of songs, even if they don't perform on them. Yeah, that's the painting on the wall in the Papercut music video, it's an updated version of the Xero cover. Nobody has any idea what happened to that painting though, one of the crew members on the set of the video took it home after the video shoot was done, and it hasn't been seen since.

I don't think Second to None would work, the tempos are far enough apart that Mike would have to really spit fast to get that one to work. Bleed it Out is a bit tougher of a song to mash verses up with than Points of Authority was just because it's at a considerably faster tempo. Mike's mostly limited to verses that are at faster tempos to begin with, which is why he's sticking to stuff like Reading My Eyes and APFMH (as well as Papercut and There They Go, which he's done in the past). Forgotten would work pretty nicely over BIO though.

Maybe a bit slowed-down, but I can sort of hear a resemblence to the bridge of Numb with the double snare hits. I think that's probably just coincidental though.

F1 isn't nearly as popular over here for a couple reasons, one being that NASCAR and IndyCar are huge here and kind of saturate the TV market (NASCAR alone gets coverage from ABC, ESPN, Fox, TNT, and SpeedTV at various points throughout the year), the other being that since the F1 series doesn't race in the U.S., a lot of the races end up airing really late at night/early in the morning because of the time difference. It still has a pretty sizable following though, enough so that most of the races are televised live on SpeedTV.

The South American shows will be put up after the European shows are all mixed and made available. They did advance promotion for the DSPs being sold on the European tour, but there really wasn't any for the South American shows, so the European shows take first priority. I'd imagine the South American shows will be up around the end of the month, probably right before they head to Australia.

The relationship between Oh No and the final version of Points of Authority is clearly obvious...listen to the beat that comes in at 0:50 in Oh No, then listen to the drum beat in the chorus/bridge of Points of Authority (0:50-1:15, 1:36-2:56). They're identical. The metallic "ping" noise on the snare hits totally stands out in both tracks. Not to mention that they're at identical tempos and the 3-note riff based around Eb, E, and Db is present in both versions (the one in Oh No is just an earlier version of the riff, which makes sense, as Mike confirmed years ago that the guitar riff in Points of Authority is a chopped-up and re-arranged sampling of an original riff Brad played). And as I already said, instrumental or not, a demo is a demo, and most of the band's demo recordings, particularly prior to 2007, probably exist solely in instrumental form, as vocals were always the last thing they put on a track. If a song isn't a finished idea, it's probably not going to have vocals. They said we'd get 10 unreleased demos, we got 9 (with the 10th being debatable, as it IS different from the previously released version of the WID remix). It was confirmed practically from the beginning when Pretend to Be was released on A Decade Underground that it would also be one of the LPUX tracks. A Decade Underground is supposed to be a sampler of LPU tracks from throughout the history of LPU, so how else would it have made sense to release it on that compilation?