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What are you talking about? Those are the correct numbers.

As The Hunting Party era is slowly coming to an end, it's time to start looking towards the band's future: and, since we're LPLive, we're talking setlists. Up until Living Things, Linkin Park had performed basically every song on their four prior studio albums (barring 'Robot Boy', which wasn't performed live until the Hunting Party Tour). Starting with Living Things, however, the band stopped putting in all of the effort to perform most of the new songs. From Living Things, an album that Mike even claimed was recorded with the idea of performing it live in mind (sound familiar, like The Hunting Party?), only seven and a half of its songs were performed live, not including songs that even sound like they would be great live: namely 'I'll Be Gone', 'Roads Untraveled', and 'Powerless'. So far, from The Hunting Party, only six and a half songs have been performed live - most of which did not survive the entire cycle, from an album also meant to be performed live! Let's start by talking about Living Things. With the tracks later on the album, it's somewhat understandable why they were not performed live, referring to 'Skin To Bone and 'Until It Breaks'. Talking about 'Skin To Bone', Mike said the following, "Some songs weren't made to be played live, we might play them somehow but we have other songs in mind, those songs are made of samples and keys, if the band was made of 6 Shinodas we could play them." Fair enough, maybe Fort Minor could tackle it now. He did with 'Until It Breaks'! But with songs like 'I'll Be Gone' and 'Roads Untraveled', it's harder to find an excuse. In an LPU Chat in December 2012, Chester even claimed the band would rehearse 'I'll Be Gone' soon. Nothing was ever said about 'Roads Untraveled', but 'Powerless' was even performed - albeit, mimicked - for a music video shoot in Berlin. Something interesting to note about this song is that Mike recorded all of the guitar parts in it - and for most of the album. In the music video, there are almost no shots of Brad. That's because he never seemed to learn the part. Anyway, 'Powerless' never received its live debut, although its intro 'Tinfoil' opened a significant amount of shows (and encores) on the touring cycle in 2012-2013. Does it have to do with Brad? He appears to be bored with some of the older songs in the set (some Hybrid Theory songs) but loves songs where he's off of the guitar like 'Lies Greed Misery' or even parts of 'Castle Of Glass' (Experience Version), 'The Catalyst', and 'Waiting For The End'. This all goes back to the A Thousand Suns era where he said he was getting bored of playing guitar and shifted to playing other instruments as well as taking on more of a "producer" role in the albums. While this may all be true, we cannot place ALL of the blame on Brad. When it comes to performing new songs live, there has to be a general consensus amongst the band to settle on what gets performed. Perhaps it's less Brad as an individual, but rather, the whole mentality going forward that he has. He might not be the only member of the band who thinks that way! Songs from Living Things performed live: Lost In The Echo - debuted 8/6/12 SiriusXM's Town Hall In My Remains - debuted 8/10/12 Private Production Rehearsal Burn It Down - debuted 5/16/12 Third Encore, North Hollywood, CA Lies Greed Misery - debuted 5/26/12 Rock in Rio I'll Be Gone - Never performed Castle Of Glass - debuted 12/7/12 VGA 10 Victimized - debuted 8/10/12 Private Production Rehearsal Roads Untraveled - Never performed Skin To Bone - Never performed Until It Breaks - performed by Fort Minor on 6/29/15 Exchange LA, Los Angeles, CA (Partially performed as an Ext. Intro for 'Waiting For The End' starting 5/18/12 LPU Show / MFR & PTW Benefit) Tinfoil - debuted 5/18/12 LPU Show / MFR & PTW Benefit Powerless - Never performed ("Performed" for a music video at 6/5/12 Telekom Street Gigs) Next, the current era, the tour in support of The Hunting Party, didn't see much change of pace either. The five singles from the album were performed ('Guilty All The Same', 'Wastelands', Until It's Gone', 'Rebellion', and 'Final Masquerade'), and one non-single has been performed after a full year of the tour ('A Line In The Sand'). A pretty solid selection of songs, all things considered... but only half of the album. We're missing some powerful tracks like 'Keys To The Kingdom', 'All For Nothing', 'War, and 'Mark The Graves'. Barring the two interludes (even then, 'The Summoning' appeared in Mashup Intro #2) , those are what we're missing. That's just about the same as what we're missing from Living Things. Apparently, the album was already run through by the band in full. In the pre-show interview at Rock am Ring 2014, Mike claimed that pretty much the entire album had been rehearsed and he was really looking forward to playing it live. Interestingly, in November 2014, Mike had claimed he was knew the fans wanted to hear both 'Keys To The Kingdom' and 'A Line In The Sand' live, the latter of which we know has already come. 'Keys To The Kingdom', on the other hand... there may be a glimmer of hope there. We'll get into that later. According to numerous LPTV's, it took quite some time to get 'A Line In The Sand' down. The band appears to have to take longer and longer to rehearse songs - it took a week or more for 'Castle Of Glass' to be rehearsed back in 2012. Is this another factor in why the band doesn't play more songs? On the subject of 'Keys To The Kingdom', there may still be hope for the song being performed live. On this document that shows songs the band sent to get approved for their upcoming China tour, you can see the song in the 25th position. This means the band has at least considered performing it. Maybe they seriously rehearsed it! The band submitted this document around January, all things considered (taking into account 'Darker Than Blood', 'A Place For My Head', and 'From The Inside' are there). We know the band at least TRIED to rehearse a new song for The Hunting Party North American Tour earlier in the year but opted for 'From The Inside' and 'A Place For My Head' instead. Maybe they attempted one of the two songs (the other being 'A Line In The Sand') at that point, and didn't feel comfortable enough to play them yet. 'A Line In The Sand' eventually came to the light...maybe 'Keys To The Kingdom' will too. Another issue that lies here is that a lot of the songs performed on the tour did not survive. 'Guilty All The Same' and 'Until It's Gone', the first two singles of the album, are now history. 'Until It's Gone' even received an amazing new intro with parts of 'No More Sorrow' and 'New Divide' in it, but it got dropped after the European Tour only to be SHORTENED on the Carnivores Tour! 'Rebellion' and 'Final Masquerade' are performed on and off depending on the setlist, leaving 'Wastelands' as the only consistent song. 'A Line In The Sand' has only been performed seven times thus far, so we'll leave that out for now. If the band does debut new songs, how long can we expect them to last? Will 'A Line In The Sand' even make it to 2016? And the songs that replaced them in the setlists are older songs, fan favorites. While not necessarily a bad thing, this brings us to the next (and final) point. Songs from The Hunting Party performed live: Keys To The Kingdom - Never performed All For Nothing - Never performed Guilty All The Same - debuted 5/24/14 KFMA Day 2014 The Summoning - Never performed (Appeared in Mashup Intro #2 starting 8/6/14 Private Production Rehearsal) War - Never performed Wastelands - debuted 5/24/14 KFMA Day 2014 Until It's Gone - debuted 5/24/14 KFMA Day 2014 Rebellion - debuted 8/6/14 Private Production Rehearsal Mark The Graves - Never performed Drawbar - Never performed Final Masquerade - debuted 8/6/14 Private Production Rehearsal A Line In The Sand - debuted 5/9/15 Rock in Rio USA 2015 And finally, a main complaint in recent setlists is that the main portion of the set is singles. Mike has said before that older, rarer songs would have to "beat out" the singles for a spot in the sets, and he also feels obligated to play the singles at the shows for the casual fans. It's reasonable to understand that the band wants to perform as many singles as they can to appeal the main demographic of the crowd (the casual fans), but is it effective? Since the Living Things era, a bunch of Hybrid Theory songs such as 'Points Of Authority', 'With You', and 'Runaway' have also been taking up setlist spots - is that necessary, too? Sure, many of us may love these songs, but let's balance the possibilities here: old songs the band has played countless times before, or new songs that if not played now, we'll never see in the future? Maybe new songs won't translate too well live, look back at what Mike said about 'Skin To Bone'. Lot's of people don't think 'Keys To The Kingdom' will be the best live, either. What should the band do? Let's look at what Linkin Park doing now. A LOT of Linkin Park's live show depends on many parts working together. In fact, all of Brad's guitar sounds and the backing tracks to the songs are triggered by running a single ProTools session. Heck, Mike and Joe are the only two people onstage during his solo medley! Maybe songs like 'Skin To Bone' aren't such a stretch live. Mike can perform 'Until It Breaks' and even a 'Castle To Glass' and 'Kenji' mashup entirely on his own, running a backing track from his computer. The songs from The Hunting Party can't necessarily be executed in the same fashion, but more electronic-and layer-based tracks can be solved this way. Is it worth the hassle, though? By eliminating the multitude of singles and heavy residence of Hybrid Theory songs, LP could at least make space for new songs, or at least older, lesser played tracks. The band really has seven singles they're almost obligated to play live (in their eyes, and this is just an observation), those being 'One Step Closer', 'In The End', 'Numb', 'What I've Done', 'Bleed It Out', 'New Divide', and 'Burn It Down'. Even then, it's a subjective idea. They seemed to take steps toward this in 2013: at their headline show in Melbourne, the band performed 'A Place For My Head' instead of 'In The End', after giving the crowd a choice between the two. 'In The End' clearly won, but the band went with 'A Place For My Head'. Maybe even THEY don't want to be playing some of these songs! Mike in 2014 said Linkin Park feels obligated in playing certain "radio" singles live that they necessarily don't want to always perform, which almost certainly was a reference to 'Burn It Down'. Realistically, the band isn't being held to anything - they can drop or add anything they want. But having songs like 'Breaking The Habit', 'Crawling', and 'Faint' for so long in the setlists MIGHT be taking its toll if fans want to see newer songs played. We already have seen 'Breaking The Habit', 'Crawling', and more take breaks from the shows. 'One Step Closer' even was dropped for two shows in a row in Europe in 2011. Linkin Park will drop SOME singles from the shows, but the seven listed above seem to be staples that they'll continually keep around for as long as possible. What are your thoughts? Why do you think the band doesn't perform new songs? Do you think the band should drop more singles for new songs? Perhaps you even think the opposite - why should the band drop songs people are there for, for songs that people won't know? You guys are in charge of the discussion! We aren't CRITICIZING what they're playing, we love 'Points Of Authority', 'Rebellion', and most of the songs in the shows, we just wanted to have a discussion about: (1.) "why newer songs aren't being debuted live as frequently as they used to be", and (2.) "will singles become the main staple of the setlist in the future?" Linkin Park's The Hunting Party Chinese Tour starts this Friday, July 17. For updates, be sure to check back on the forums and follow us on Twitter!

What the fuck does this even mean Back to the conversation, really hoping Mike/Lorenzo see this so they can get some ideas. It's been awhile (LPU X) since we've gotten a fantastic release. LPU XIII came close.

This is literally my favorite post ever

Regardless of it potentially being another Messenger, I'd still like to hear it. I at least SOUNDS like it could be an epic song.

Wow, I wonder where you got that joke from.

It's entirely possible FM had another working title, but if this was from April 2014 they seem to be cutting it pretty close there. Interesting to see KTTK was further down in the tracklisting, and rebellion near the end. If ALITS wasn't the closer, I wonder what March Of The Dead sounded like. Wasn't there an interview where a band member mentioned it?

The ones not on that list: Final Masquerade, The Summoning, Drawbar I don't know which one could be which though. March Of The Dead, The Hunt, and Viserion all sound pretty fucking awesome. Maybe March could be FM? I think at least two of three of those are songs we don't have.

Epic post Skips! Hopefully LPU XV has great stuff on it, too. Didn't know there was a Plaster II. OSC sequel?

How did this even start with me EDIT: As I was typing up my synopsis of his on LPA, I had an idea about this. When LP had to drop songs, it was only in Shanghai. Macao had the full setlist. This document is for Beijin. Maybe regulations are by city, not by the entirety of the country?

You guys love tearing apart everything I say, don't you? I get that they understand tone. I'm not calling them incoherent or idiots. I'm saying they'd have the "better safe than sorry" idea behind this. The cursing example I brought up before was just part of the reason I said, I know BIO was still allowed. Regardless, it looks like all of this speculation is in vain. The list is apparently a list of songs that are approved to be played given what the band has sent to them. Translation, via Vorist: The characters listed next to the song names are just the translations of the song titles.

1) It's "everything I say", but I also thought it was "see". 2) Yes, we understand the concept of that. Does China? No.

I'd be fine with a HTF live soundboard, but I feel a) nothing particularly SPECIAL happened with that song... it's just the studio version and it would take up the spot of something we've never heard (even if it IS an instrumental). Like I said, I'm cool with HTF but I'd find it a tad boring (especially since I'm not a big fan of the song)

Probably due to profanity, in the case of GU and HHH. Thematically (rebellion, uprising, etc.) would also probably be a concern to them.

The Requiem = Mashup Intro, same reason The Catalyst is on there. I wonder, with the omission of UIB, do they just want it to be avoided being checked? Lyrically, I can see a possibility of the Chinese government banning it, but it's just a verse Mike's rapping over an intro. But, then again, Wretches, Requiem, Catalyst, all of that stuff is in there. Time will tell.

HISthousand Suns

Glad to see Fort Minor covering new territory (Denmark), even fresh off of of a comeback.

$10 says it gets cancelled

Thank you for your contribution.

At least you're living up to your username here

What is that list? songs they are allowed to play? Or songs they've chosen to get approved? EDIT: Keys To The Kingdom, Somewhere I Belong, and APFMH on that list...

Skin To Folk Animals Poppy-THP Demo (just to see how they sounded) Dingleberry (WTCFM Demo) Quazar TINFOIL (Long-form POWERLESS demo) Sakura Sushi Unreleased 1999 demo w/ vocals Thanksgiving (Until It's Gone Demo)

Wow, I didn't expect so much backlash on this. As you grow older, your interests change. That's not to say they don't want to make music anymore, but they want to expand their horizons. In 10, 20, 30 years, will they still be making music? Maybe not. They can't depend on however much money they have now to support them so far into the future (which, I admit is kinda silly to say, they're filthy rich, probably). The thing is as life goes on, Linkin Park will start fading into the shadows. You have to be open to try things, collaborations is one of them. Being in a band shouldn't have to limit you to making music, and only making music as your career. They're not in their 20s anymore, they'll be in their 40s soon enough. We can't expect them to not want to branch out to something more "mature". Sure, they're collaborating with a watch company and a car company. It's marketing. So what if less than 1% of people in the Linkin Park fanbase will never get that product? It's still being marketed. Don't forget we're not the only market. The fans of THAT company, and hell, people who like those types of products will still be looking at it. All we are is a source of advertising, when And if you're arguing it makes them look like they "just want to make more money," well, no shit. They make music a) because they love to and it's their job. Without money, they can't keep touring. They can't keep making albums. They can't put food on the table. They're filthy rich, but how far can that last if the only rely on Linkin Park? Anyone who wasn't a teenager from 2000-now probably thinks they're shit anyway (as evidenced by quite a few sources), but we can't expect that, as growing individuals and a band, that they're influence has to be entirely focused in one area. With Machine Shop changing its course, Linkin Park isn't changing. They'll be the same band they are as they continue to play shows and record music. Machine Shop is still innovating, much like Linkin Park has done since Minutes To Midnight. The purpose is still to promote connection with music. TL;dr: Priorities are not changing. Linkin Park will keep creating music as they always did. You guys are equating branching out to other projects to lack of quality in their music. It's simply not happening.

I've met Astat, who's name should end this. EDIT: AND, for the record, minuteforce is one of the cooler gentlefolk on LPA. I have had encounters with him every now and then.

I'm the worst at this, apparently.