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Interesting. I mean if theres a rough version saved of that even, it might not though sadly. Don’t think they would put a demo of a song in this release, also. correcting myself from earlier, MOST of us hardcore fans love the Andy Wallace mix, but I guess not all of us. I grew up with early 2000s music so maybe that’s why

Couldn’t disagree more. But I respect your opinion. We all have different taste after all

again, and I’ve said this before to someone who said the same thing, no he never abandoned Lost’s mix. It made it to sequencing which came after all the songs were fully mixed and mastered so It was fully finished and ready to be put on the album. Mike called the song “a done deal”. Brad said they took it out of the album because they didn’t know where it would go on the tracklist. I think that issue is because it’s only the CD rip that’s online, which doesn’t deliver the fullness of the song through a lot of modern speakers, aside from stereo systems. Ive listened to the 2002 mix in my home studio and it sounds way better than it does through a laptop speaker and even airpods I could be wrong and stupid though, and misinformed about how things work. But I think CD quality has its limitations in today’s modern CD-less world.

nahhh, that’s wild. Literally it’s the album mix of the song. That’s like saying all the Meteora tracks suck.

Yeah that’s what i said earlier, we all love the Andy Wallace mix. I mean if they are including Lost, having that version on there would be awesome and get it on streaming and stuff. But idk if that’d seem unnecessary, or interfere with it being exclusive to the CD version of Meteora 20 that’s still available

For the album’s full extra songs, Meteora had Lost, and then (the 90% completed) Fighting Myself and More the Victim, but we don’t know what the ones Hybrid Theory had other than High Voltage, whether they were completed or only partially completed we don’t know but now that I think of it, that could be why they aren’t released if they were less finished than FM and MTV, like if they were only 60 or 70% there or less.

Probably right about that. If it could get sorted out somehow, it might happen. But no hopes, and certainly not any time soon most definitely. A completed song from the final Hybrid Theory sessions would be cool. I know we have a lot of the bands first 1997 thru 1999 demos but i’m talking about 2000, recording at NRG. Thought I read Jeff Blue said there were 14 recorded with 11 + Cure for the itch making the album? High Voltage was one unreleased, the other two though..? idk. I was thinking maybe Carousel and And One but if the other ones are known, or there aren’t any others, or we don’t know, again not sure much of that.

Maaan i’d love to hear Friendly Fire. Another unreleased track is always so exciting. Id love to see What Are You Worth on here too. That song is kind of a banger Somewhat odd that they’re including Lost in this, but ok, I mean it is a big single. Imagine if the version included is the Andy Wallace mix as a little wink for the super close close fans. That’d be the coolest lol, but I know that’s likely unrealistic, plus the label probably wants to keep that a CD exclusive right now anyways.

I just kinda really had a realization going through this thread again that i actually predicted A LOT about Lost without realizing it. I predicted it probably didn’t have the thoughts that take away my pride line in a more finished version, I think I might’ve even said somewhere back in like 2020/21 or so that it could’ve been a full track that got mixed by Andy. That’s really crazy man, I guess it was some lucky guesses honestly, cause I literally knew just as much as everyone else lol. yea holy shit here it is. crazy. I think they only used tracks they had in a finished form behind those older videos, so that’s what gave it away for me that it was a finished mixed and mastered deal Funny looking back on when we literally knew nothing about the demo in the making of meteora, trying to come up with what it could be by finding more sources of it that existed at the time, and that whole time it was a song wrapped up and ready to be on the album still sitting on a shelf

Wow! I've never seen that studio report before. That confirmed it definitely though. 13 finished mixed and mastered songs and 12 made the album. Also, I'm sure the Andy mix of Lost will eventually be officially released like on streaming services and all, at some point, maybe it'll even be as a bonus track on the album there too, but we'll have to wait a few years for that probably. Right now there's not reason to, since it's available exclusively on the deluxe CD right now.

Yeah but it wouldn't have been mixed during finals in December 2002, with everything else because It was made two months later. Brad said 14 songs in an interview so it could mean either way really, I guess, but we'll know if we do get a 2002 mix of More the Victim or not. EDIT: It wasn’t? made two months later, no idea where the idea came from but I must’ve been tripping

Adds up. Fighting Myself didn’t get a finished mix in 2002, as confirmed by Mike. More the Victim I don’t think we know whether it was put aside and didn’t get mixed or if Andy did mix it with the others back at that time. All we know is that the version out is “the farthest we got with it” as Mike says. The idea given seems like Lost was the only mixed and finalized unreleased track from the album session, but that’s never been clearly stated. Either way, they only had a max of 15 songs they could have finished and mixed. All i’m saying is a 2002 finished mix of More the Victim might have existed, which if it did that would be awesome to hear. If it does exist i’m sure they’ll put it out at some point for the close fans. Logically, I think probably it would make more sense it didn’t get mixed back in 2002 though.

As far as the finished songs go, I thought Lost was the only one they fully finished and mixed but didn’t make the track listing, but i’d been thinking about it lately. I believe an interview with Brad stated specifically 14 songs were mixed which would make Lost and one other. Another interview from Mike says he thinks 13 were mixed. Curious cause the only other two songs they worked on in final were Fighting Myself and More the Victim, the finalized album sound they also both have gives it away plus the red song board’s working titles, and the fact that 15 were worked on in full. Im curious if Brad was right and if they did have 14, it means More the Victim did actually get a mixed version by Andy, even though it seems kinda unlikely. I know Mike talked about how he knew Fighting Myself wasn’t completely finished, but I don’t recall him ever clearly stating More the Victim had been abandoned during the recording session. Do correct me if i’m wrong maybe it was stated somewhere. Mike did refer to More the Victim as a demo still, but it is a little less finished than Lost, lyrically I think so it makes sense. Either way, If it does exist that would be pretty cool to hear and maybe we’ll get to hear it at some point but if not maybe Brad just was thinking how the album has 13 tracks, and adding one more in that moment of that interview. I know Mike did say Fighting Myself never got a finished mix/mastered version at the time of the album. and btw I definitely think the new mixes were the right thing to do to properly present them all in a more modern way. That being said, I do prefer the original mix of Lost over the modern mix, just because of the nostalgia factor, but the new mix felt like a 2023 memory of an old experience, almost kinda like a flashback which is really cool.

yea after listening to it probably hundreds of times i can see what Mike said how it has the same intensity as Numb, and it just doesn’t quite make sense on the album before Numb really. An extra track from the album is what it kinda needed to be, just it definitely could’ve been a B-side back in 2003, I think. But alas they forgot about it, and understandably as they never really needed another extra song that year in particular so again i’m glad it’s out now nevertheless.

I definitely think Lost would’ve been huge back in the day, and would’ve easily become an anthem known by everyone but when it comes down to it, I think Numb ended up being bigger than Lost would’ve been. The two songs are very close to being the same level of power and emotion, and they’re both amazing songs. The fact is they wanted Numb and didn’t want another song that had its same emotional intensity. So holding it off the record was what they needed to do to do that. I think they made the right choice though, Lost definitely sounds like the album but it feels like it doesn’t quite have a spot on the album. I’m guessing the song never ended up on an LPU because it was finished and that was really mostly for demos and unfinished/scrapped material.

Shoutweb: So, there are 13 tracks, right? Rob: One of them is more like an instrumental interlude song. It's not really an interlude though. It really kind of shows the electronic element of what we do. There is a lot of drum editing and a lot of different editing on that. It's a really, really cool song. Shoutweb: Is that "Forward"? Rob: No, that is actually just a little intro. The song I am talking about is called "Session". Shoutweb: So that actually makes only 12 songs on the record. Rob: It was almost 13. You know what? We had so many songs. We actually went into the studio with 18 songs that we recorded drums on. We really tried to concentrate on the record as a whole, besides just the songs. It's hard to cut songs out because we had songs that we're just so attached to and I think are really great songs but we really tried to pick the amount of songs that fit the record to make the record a whole piece of work. Not just a bunch of different songs thrown on an album. We really wanted to take you on a journey so you can listen to something from beginning to end. We want something that is going to grab your attention the whole time and you've gone on this musical journey that is just under 37 minutes this time. This is interesting. Rob said, "It was ALMOST 13." It's possible he was recollecting "Lost", almost making the album.

I wonder if were gonna get a new LPU CD this year. It's been a long damn time since we got one and I feel like with Meteora 20 and everything, a new LPU CD would make for another awesome thing from the band, cause it seems like LPU is really starting up again. Even if its just some unearthed live audios or instrumental demos, it'd be great.

the Linkinpedia page says Lost 2002 mix has a shorter intro? Why? Both mixes have the same intro length? I’m gonna post one more time the full Meteora board of songs and the demo titles each song goes to cause why not. Just to show again the 18 total demos LP had in the final process of making Meteora. 1. Cumulus - a demo from LPU13, which ended up receiving a basically finished version with full vocals but left off the album, “More the Victim”. Ended up sounding a bit too far from the rest of the songs for the bands liking for being on the album at the time. 2. Interrogation - the working title to the album track “Easier to Run”, unknown until Meteora 20 release. 3. Cuidado - the demo for “Lying from You” on the album. Confirmed in a Mike Shinoda live in April 2021. 4. (BLANK SPACE) - likely the “Healing Foot” demo. The original clip of Rob recording drums for this song in the Making of Meteora DVD, and the only finished track done being drums, almost guarantees this was that demo, and it didn’t make it as far as the others. 5. Pretty Birdie - demo version of album track and single “Somewhere I Belong” originally released in LPU13. Title seemed to have slightly changed from “Pretty Birdy”, maybe because Phoenix plays golf, though that’s just a wild guess. 6. Shifter - one of two titles shown in a 2003 spin magazine about recording Meteora. It turned out to be the working title for the album track and single “From the Inside”. The instrumental demo was heard in Making of Meteora and LPTV 1 Episode 1. 7. (originally thought to be Serpent/Quotient) Shortcut - demo title for a 90% completed song not on the album, “Fighting Myself”. Demo version was heard in a short 4 second clip in the LPTV 1 episode 1. 8. Nocturnal - the second title shown in the same 2003 spin magazine about recording Meteora. Confirmed at Meteora 20 Working title for “Nobody’s Listening”, which made the album. 9. Session - Session. 10. Resolution - demo title for “Lost”, the “Thoughts That Take Away My Pride” song shown in making of Meteora DVD. Song was completed with the 12 album tracks, and got mixed by Andy, but was removed when the tracklist took shape in mastering. Early demo version on Meteora 20 was used for the joke “Wizard Song” in the same DVD. 11. Faint - Song on the album and popular single always kept its working title. 12. Sick - demo title for “Don’t Stay”, on the album. A demo we’ve known about, that originally had a reggae-style vibe. Demo is not unearthed yet. 13. Plaster II - A demo of the album song Figure.09. This version might have had singing verses while recording at NRG studios. Another (likely earlier) version of this demo was heard in LPTV 1 Episode 4, with Brad ripping a guitar solo then pretending to be frozen. 14. (originally thought to be Nursery/Hearsay) Husky - working title for the album track “Hit the Floor”. Unknown until Meteora 20. 15. Drawing - demo title for the album track and single “Breaking the Habit”, that originally appeared on LPU9. 16. Figure.09 - Merged with Plaster II to become the final version of the song. tracks not on the board 17. Numb - final song on the album, and most popular single came together “quickly and almost effortlessly” at NRG studios, which might explain it not being up on the board, it got finished, at least instrumentally, earlier that the other songs. The official working title is unknown still, but it’s also possible it never had one or was always “Numb”, if that lyric was written early on. 18. A.06 - we know the short instrumental was recorded at NRG studios, though its intent was likely just to serve as an album promo, as it was released while the album was being recorded. Maybe the track was gonna serve as an intro at one point. Nevertheless, it was a demo that got shortened from a full song demo to a short instrumental in the final process.

let me rephrase my first post about this. the songs never got a finished mix back in the day, which is what Mike said. How’s that?

we know now it’s called Lost XD, had to call it TTTAMP though cause what else would we call it. this looks accurate. great job on this! I wonder if we’ll ever find out what Numbs working title was, if it even had one or if it was just untitled or even kept Numb all along or something. Still would be worth knowing.

Unlike Lost, Fighting Myself and More the Victim never got technically finished back in 2002, but had the most finished versions we hear today. There probably is a rough/unfinished mix of the two songs but they never got fully mixed by Andy like Lost did. As far as non-album tracks go, Lost was the only 100% finished and mixed Meteora song. FM and MTV though were like 95% there, so I personally still consider them full songs and not demos. Mike also has stated FM and MTV never got mixed back in the day so he took the multis and gave them a proper mix.

There is a clip in an LPTV of Brad playing something on piano, and Phoenix mentions it held the working title “Knuckles”. This makes me wonder if Knuckles might be Numb’s demo title or something (the tune sounds not much like Numb but who knows). 99% sure it’s not, probably a totally different Meteora-era demo. But again who knows.

FM and MTV and even 2023 mix of Lost sound fine just how they are. The only thing that makes them a little less Meteora sounding imo is the mixing on the drums, notably the really loud kicks, which wasn’t really in their sound back then, but it fits well with Meteora other than that. Lost 2023 mix has some other mixing choices that make it sound less Meteora-like though, like less powerful guitars. It’s still a beautiful mix in my opinion. 2023 mix is more emotional 2002 mix is more nostalgic

Almost 2 months into the release, I still find it so amazing how much stuff was uncovered for this anniversary. We got some new stuff for HT20, mostly the new DVD for that anniversary was what I thought was the coolest, as well as getting Pictureboard and a few other awesome unheard demos. But THIS anniversary man. We knew so little about Meteora before this year as far as a lot of the unreleased tracks and even stuff about the album tracks. 14 completely new demos to us, 3 of which were full songs recorded for the album (15 new tracks counting both mixes of Lost) which is crazy, and not only that but more stories of the writing and the working titles and stories about each demo. Not to mention, the new DVD is also incredibly dope. 2022 me expected a small rerelease MAYBE featuring some new unheard demos like “Thoughts That Take Away My Pride” (and we got the finished version we didn’t know existed as the damn leading single) or The rob drum track instrumental (and it had freaking vocals) and also definitely some new merch. But man we got so much more stuff, most of which we’ve never heard or heard about until now. I mean we even got the goddamn Wizard Song instrumental, which I thought would never see the light of day, and as the turns out, plot twist it was an early demo for Lost all along. So much crazy stuff revealed. It’s been a crazy cool year so far with all this stuff we thought we might never hear, but we did. And it’s all Amazing.

For the guitar players like me, I gotta say Lost is not played in drop C. The powerchords are Drop D Root Fifth F Root Fifth C Bottom Fifth G Root Fifth G Root Fifth (again, second time) It’s likely the same C# tuning as Numb, Faint, etc. Or possibly a half step up, if Brad did tune specially for Lost, which I would doubt because I’m pretty sure he tries to change tunings as little as possible for convenience (especially live), though might not be the case in the studio, where I know he did tune A LOT. And also, not that this is a big deal at all really, a rather pointless argument to say the least but I don’t know if anyone else noticed that subtle detail.