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Fort Minor seems much more realistic than Collision Course. BUT - they didn't include Collision Course in Meteora|20 like they did with Reanimation on HT20, so anything is possible. Just putting those live songs out from the start of the Roxy show would be a nice nod by LP. Put it on YouTube and call it a day, at worst. And you don't even have to put the LPJZ stuff out since it's already released.

Hence why you probably don't see the band supporting anything Jeff is doing...

One thing is for sure - if LP made it 2000+, they have the multitracks saved lol

The 2008 set sounds so good because it's heavy and has the rock feel to it. What I think you are referring to is the later sound they had in 2009-2010 was too electronic, and I am not a big fan of it either. That's why inherently that music sounded better acoustically. They needed to rip it with the guitars and not have the synths, etc so loud. The Let Down from the Columbia show is such a step down from the 2005 live acoustic one. The DBS era was a disaster in itself. Remember they flat out refused to have a website? They said check MySpace (!) for all of the updates... what a horrendous strategy. Getting info on what they were doing was extremely difficult. On that LP tour in 2009 it was extremely confusing to figure out shows they were going to play or not, beforehand. I believe the label stuff. They probably didn't want to give much money to it at all, and for them to push something there needs to be a big hit involved. Howard producing the album is an entirely separate topic itself - they could have done much better with him but he has the signature rock albums (which are great) attached to his name and I'm sure the label helped push him to work with Chester. His 10 Years Feeding the Wolves album is very overproduced compared to anything else in their catalog, for example. But he does have some great pre-2010 records. Remember Mike said in 09 or 10 that the label didn't want to fund the massive Projekt Rev tours anymore? Too much expense on their end. That's why PR scaled down. The only disadvantage to being on a massive label like that is you need have results for many things to make it make sense. The DSPs needed to sell way better, the band needed more sold out shows, etc to make it make sense to do it all again/keep it going. The advantages are huge for being on Warner - don't get me wrong. Their press/A&R machine is probably the best on the planet for artists. Fort Minor did their entire operation much better than DBS did. At the very worst, they should have teamed up for a run in 2009 or 2010 for shows. No USA tour for DBS was a very weird move, but I'm sure they tried as you said. Mike was probably knees deep in ATS at that time making a masterpiece LP album and didn't want to run another FM album/EP/drop out with a tour lol.

It's still number one 7+ weeks on the charts lol. Crazy. If this was released as a Meteora single it would be known by everyone.

The reasons the DSPs were stopped is because the shows weren't selling much anymore. LPL probably directly contributed to that with how much they were shared online for free for years, and torrenting after that (when LPU 9 launched). But the band said multiple times to post the shows for free everywhere - Mike even made an LPU forum thread for that lol. But this will show you the disconnect between the band / fans and the label - ultimately you have to be making money on them no matter how much the band and fans love them being shared. If they aren't selling but 20-30 copies a show then they aren't worth paying Pooch and Dylan to do (at the time). Now, there is an entirely separate topic for how piss poor LP's marketing was for them. RHCP advertised them in emails, at the shows, etc. They should have done an additional add-on when buying tickets on Ticketmaster etc for adding a $10 show recording. Metallica isn't a good comparison because they are so big they will sell a trillion copies of every show, but for LP you need some results. The label could have done much better promoting these to ensure the program would have continued. What we were left with was a random tour they stopped (with no public announcement - we had to reach out privately) when LP was on fire on stage - Vegas -> NZ/Australia 2013 when they had really great setlists. Blah. NZ/Australia 2007 was mixed in 2009 when they were ready for release. There was a dispute with Warner Australia basically over "if people buy the show recording then it will hurt MTM sales in Australia", which is true, but come on, that's more label BS in general. It got worked out and they were released. To date, there has never been a valid reason given for the entire 2008 Summer European Tour not being released. No one has ever said anything about that. Pooch is on record multiple times saying they recorded the shows and he wished they could be released, but it wasn't his call. 2007-2012 there were times where venues started wanting fees from local labor unions etc (not super well-versed in this topic) from bands who record their shows. There are lots of Google articles on this - look into it. You'd have to pay off the local union or something to get stuff recorded. How that is even a thing is beyond me but that is why Wantagh one year has no recording released, Mountain View, etc. And sometimes partnerships on shows like MTV (Monterrey 2012) prevent them from being released due to contracts signed. That isn't the standard deal at festivals though so that reason isn't why Europe 2008 wasn't released. But that is why 2012, 2008, 2007 shows were missing. And 2009 too for some shows, probably (not confirmed). I do know for a fact that MSG charges bands $40,000 to record their performances at The Garden. And LP paid that in 2008 (or whatever the 2008 rate was) to get the LP/JZ show out because of how fucking big that moment was. But for example remember we had no Wantagh 2007 (no idea how it got worked out for 2008) recording. It's all super confusing. What needed to happen was they had someone in charge SPECIFICALLY for the live recordings and in that role you work out every kink and hiccup imaginable so shows can be released. Notice Metallica doesn't have this issue - they release every single damn show they play lol. If they play their instruments on stage, it's released.

I think legally, once you get contacted by Warner or LP after posting this statement publicly if you are Jeff, things become much more complicated than just "I am going to release demos online" lol

lol There is no shot Jeff will be allowed to release any demos to fans. Not only would the band themselves not be ok with that, at all, but Mark, who is on those tracks, would be adamantly against that. Mark is pretty high up in the music industry - completely separate from whatever status LP has in the world. Jeff risking his career by leaking a ton of Xero demos? Doesn't seem logical at all. Not only does Mike not want more Xero out - he had to convince Mark to even agree to put the Xero stuff on HT20. It's very unlikely any more Xero stuff would ever be released.

Would be interested in a Nottingham vinyl rip to see what it sounds like.

It's neither. It's a third edit of it.

Never heard of whoever that person is. That is going to get more streams than the 2002 Mix? Or a Lost demo? Or anything else? lol

Fiore did it. He shot the LP event at the Q&A and the Warner event later that day.

Which setlist says that? Where? It isn't like that on LPLive or setlistfm. The intro is a custom one Mike and/or Joe created. It has no known name that we can find. Obviously in their computer it has a name but we don't know what that is. On the physical setlists it doesn't look like they named that intro in 2003, besides "New Intro" on Projekt Rev 2003.

There is great cover art here:

Number 1 in Germany!

Even if there is no physical release of CC20, they should at least celebrate and put the live show on streaming (or, thinking in a fun way, press it to vinyl too). Full Roxy set meaning the songs before Jay-Z and then the take of the LPJZ songs on the CC live DVD. Just toss that out on YouTube or streaming and call it a day.

Yeah but it was also hard to play. Rob injured himself playing some of the THP stuff, they had to drop Rebellion and GATS for a while, right? GATS entirely. Brad had the tape on his arms. It was hard on them. They didn't seem as inspired live for THP. The LT shows were epic as hell though. 2012-2013 may be their best live era of the 2010s decade. Totally needed a second USA tour in 2013 for LT and a European arena tour. Really, really loved the Honda Civic Tour setlists (WTCFM in an amphitheater was epic). And 2013 in Australia & Asia had amazing sets. Remember Brad absolutely loved LGM live haha

Everything these guys do has some sort of problem or controversy around it lol

Great points about Projekt Revolution 2008. The collaborations with Chris - you can include the Hunger Strike video as a bonus track on the DVD, the one Cornell put on YouTube. LP absolutely can get the rights/permission to do that as they even put Hunger Strike audio on Songs from the Underground (can't forget that for the MTM Live Rarities Disc, again another good nod to Chris). And Crawling will be great to see. It doesn't all have to be the EPIC insane quality stuff - Tokyo 2006, Rock am Ring 2007, and Clarkston 2007 can be your elite quality videos and then put a PR08 show on for good measure and either MSG, KROQ 2007, or Europe summer 2008... or hell, even Europe winter 2008 or Australia 2007. There are so many options. Again - a situation where you can't lose no matter what you pick. Just Tokyo, Rock am Ring, Clarkston and a random show would make the fanbase go wild. Love Manila 2004 too. The band is on fire. It's the whole vibe of Seoul and Manila for me. Seoul is the night time production at a huge show for that setlist, we've only seen Live in Texas in the daytime for that setlist. And Manila, same thing with the Rock am Ring daytime show. The lighting and vibes are all there, the band is kicking ass. Could really care less at all about the quality, it's more about the actual show picked. And they picked some elite fucking shows for Meteora 20.

Metallica took the stage when it was still daylight before the sunset because they play so long, Limp Bizkit had a full set before that, and LP had a full set before that. So it was quite early.

It's hard for us to believe that from Mike since So Far Away is so cool and then No Roads Left happened after the Meteora album, so Massive seems so normal. Mike is VERY "meh" about Massive by his comments on Twitch and in person at the Q&A lol

Then this is a great opportunity to use the new version of the LPU to release a show exclusively to them digitally, and pick Munich 08 or some show on that tour with RME.

The LIT on streaming and vinyl is not an exact version of the DVD. It's missing some in between song banter and the start of the show is different, for example with the audio. It's more of "the CD with the extra DVD songs thrown in", not an exact audio version of the DVD. The LPU 3 versions are slightly different, at least on 1-2 songs. So yes the LPU 3 ones are exclusive. Maybe not APFMH and ALL of them, but some. Those versions are not on the 2023 LIT in Meteora 20.

Right. But who knows if it ever even got to that point with the song.

Did you guys see in the band Q&A Mike said Massive's vocals were a guide track for Chester like the BTH demo? Interesting, because Mike sounds great on it.