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No, I love In Pieces, don't get me wrong. That song means a lot to me and it is definitely one of the best songs on the album. I enjoyed seeing it live too, I just think Chester struggled a lot with the vocals on it live and then when he started getting better, the MTM tour ended. I agree with you about FTI and Figure.09 definitely, I actually love Meteora songs like except for Hit The Floor. I even liked Easier To Run live to be honest.

For some reason, each album has that one song from the album that just plain sucks live in my opinion. For me it's like this Hybrid Theory - Forgotten Meteora - Hit The Floor Minutes To Midnight - In Pieces (As much as I love this song, Chaz could just never do it right) A Thousand Suns - Burning In The Skies (Not as bad as others, it was hard to choose a ATS song) LIVING THINGS - LIES GREED MISERY

I want to see LP in Rhode Island, I love Rhode Island! I go to the beach there almost every summer. Awesome state to explore, too.

Is my list of b-sides with year dates accurate guys? I didn't add demos of songs that made it onto albums and stuff. 1997 Coal Fuse Reading My Eyes 1998 Slip Blue So Far Away 1999 Dedicated She Couldn't 2000 High Voltage My December 2001 No B-sides 2002 Standing In The Middle A.06 Unfortunate Halo Soundtrack Program Broken Foot Pepper Ominous 2003 No B-Sides 2004 No B-Sides 2005 Divided 2006 Announcement Service Public Qwerty Pale YO Homecoming Clarity Asbestos Bunker Debris 2007 No Roads Left Across The Line What We Don't Know Blackbirds 2008 Lockjaw Pretend To Be 2009 I Have Not Begun New Divide 2010 Not Alone 2011 Issho Ni 2012 Complimentary Space Station Bruiser

We are definitely missing a bunch of LPU episodes, I joined LPU during 3.0 and I remember tons of stuff being posted that we no longer have, and I can't remember all of them either. I have been a member since 3.0 and we do have a lot of stuff, just not all. Hahninator is right.

LIES GREED MISERY needs to be dropped. It should be replaced on the Asia 2013 tour with I'LL BE GONE or POWERLESS, even though it probably won't be. I hope by the next album cycle it will no longer be played. It's a song just like Hit The Floor, a song that should never be played again.

Wow! I didn't know that! Thank you for sharing!!

Well, obviously LP isn't just going to come out and say that they use old song ideas from the MTM writing period for 'new' songs. This is what I am saying. There are too many similarities to MTM seeds and demos that support my theory. I definitely think 'You Don't Know' is What We Don't Know from LPUX. I also strongly believe that 'Get What I Deserve' could have been turned into New Divide. Basically, LP spent much of half of 2005 up until the early spring of 2007 writing song ideas. We all know 150 song idea were brought up, but in this interview, Mike says he thinks it was probably way more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2-I9hGYC0M . I think they continue to use seeds/demos from MTM in 2008/2009 with ATS, they just further developed them and changed them up to fit with the ATS style. Not Alone, Blackbirds, Across The Line, etc were all released right before ATS as well and they were known MTM songs. Debris was from the MTM sessions but was used during the ATS period as well because it was shown on the DVD, further proving my theory. While a lot of ATS stuff does not sound like MTM, I can tell a lot of them may have originally been MTM seeds. Stuff like BITS, Iridescent, Waiting For The End, The Messenger, etc. I think a lot of the super electronic stuff on ATS could have been written freshly in 2008/2009 but not all of it. Then came LIVING THINGS. LP started work in October 2011, I would say, because they got off tour from Asia in September 2011 and they always take a few weeks off after a world tour before writing a new album. The album came out 9 months later, but was finished around late March, so in reality in only took around 6 months for LP to write and record a new album. Cmon guys, we all know how long LP takes to write music. I just think if LP took from 2003 to 2007 to release MTM, and spent years writing, they are going to use that as a megaload for new songs. If you listen to the raw seed of Holding Company (LITE) for example on the making of LIVING THINGS, you can tell it was a very MTMish feel. I'm not saying all this because I am a MTM purist, but this stuff kind of makes sense. I think it's kind of cool actually. It's just a bit weird for me. To me, LIVING THINGS sounds like New Divide. I feel New Divide fits perfectly on LIVING THINGS. It feels like this album could have fit PERFECTLY in between MTM and ATS, it may have even been a better option. Just craziness.

I have a theory. My theory is that LP re-uses old seeds and demos from the MTM sessions and picks the ones they like and completely reuses them and makes them into songs for a ''new album''. I know you guys will say I am crazy. But hear me out. It makes sense. It explains how things like Pretend To Be have a 2008 demo date. Or how Not Alone was just a MTM demo originally. Mike said they were releasing a ''new song'' in 2009 and it was Across The Line which obviously was a MTM demo. Debris is supposedly a MTM demo as well, but was shown on the making of ATS. Primo and Ammosick were both demo titles in the MTM writing period and were worked on for ATS and LT. Tinfoil/Powerless falls into this category as well because it was originally a MTM/ATS seed. It sounds very MTMish as well. Mike said they wrote 150 song ideas and he thinks at the end of the process it was probably way more, he said that in an interview. This could also be why it took such a short time for LT to come out. My question is, do you guys agree or disagree and why?

Don't forget LP played for the first time in Greece during the MTM touring cycle too. Then they played again in 2009 along with Turkey, etc., but have not returned since. I consider 2009 the MTM touring cycle anyways. Good stats. It's really interesting to read this kind of stuff. It's crazy that LP has never hit up those states and it's even crazier that LP hasn't played a lot of states in a long time. I think a US tour where they play a lot of places they don't usually play is long due..

Wow, that is such a great tracklisting!!

I have no idea why LP did that with Live In Texas... The whole show fits on a whole CD! I also still don't understand why LP cut Papercut, Somewhere I Belong and Points Of Authority from the Milton Keynes show and made them 'unlockable features'. So stupid. Wake 2.0 also was not on the CD, but on the actual DVD. I don't understand why they do what they do! I'm surprised LP didn't make the Road To Revolution CD 12 tracks as well. Haha.

How come the show at the Viper Room last year was recorded, but not this year? Webcasted, I'm not sure it was audio or video.

I would like LP to play one last show in NYC for the LIVING THINGS tour!

I agree with this. I think ATL only fits if you put it in between Hands Held High and No More Sorrow for some reason. Maybe because the lyrical themes for those 3 songs have war themes and stuff like that in them. Other than that, it doesn't fit well with the rest of the MTM songs, but it was a VERY good song and I'm happy we got it. What We Don't Know is actually one of my favorite LP songs, I just love it so much. LPU11 was definitely better than LPU12, I just wish Bang Three had some vocals because Mike said in the booklet that the vocal version was cool with the powerchords over the guitar solo. LPU12 was just way too many instrumentals... and it didn't help much that we got a version of Forgotten that we already have had for years and the Points demo wasn't that much different to be honest.. A waste of two demo slots and it figures they both had vocals! Usually there are only a couple complete demos on each release! I also agree with you that I want a full Meteora b-side with vocals. There is definitely some in the fault, it's just a matter of LP releasing them or not. I think LPU13 has the potential to be a great demo release because of how crappy LPU12 was.

Yeah it's definitely better to be in the pit at the Tweeter Center. I had seats for both PR07 and PR08 in Mansfield. The only time I've never had pit tickets for LP ever, it sucked. I can see where you are coming from now. It does suck that they dropped those songs, I really would have rather seen those than some of the new LT songs..

LPU5 was good, I thought. Ethan Mates mixed the show too, btw. It was better quality to me than the webcast and I loved the Live 8 show so I didn't complain. I was at the Hartford and Syracuse shows from 2007 and they chose those shows on LPU7 but they weren't that great of shows IMO, especially Syracuse. My favorite LPU so far is definitely LPUX because I absolutely love What We Don't Know and Pretend To Be, the other demos on it are quality as well. LPU9 was epic. LPU11 and LPU12 were let downs for me. I would absolutely hate for a remix LPU release, I don't think they'd do that anyways. I bet it will be demos again, I just hope they aren't all instrumental or incomplete seeds like on LPU12.

Uncasville sucked, but I thought Mansfield was epic. Victimized was one of the best performances I have ever heard from that show. Chester was on fire vocally that night. Camden was definitely the best of the 3 shows I went to on the HCT, but I didn't think Mansfield sucked. Uncasville sucked.

I didn't mind LPU3 or LPU5 because Live In Texas CD didn't come with those songs on it, and the webcast audio for Live 8 sucks ass compared to the quality on the LPU5 CD. The only LPU releases that I hated were LPU7 and LPU8. LPU7 because we had a DSP for every single show pretty much on PR07 and they definitely weren't the best performances of the songs chosen like said on the CD. I also thought the mmm...cookies CD was stupid for a LPU release because it was the only LPU music we got that year besides Lockjaw and Crawling, it was almost like a slap in the face to me. It's funny, just not for a LPU release, they could have gave that to us another way. All other LPU albums were great.

Typical southerner.

Linkin Park needs to tour way more.

Was My December recorded in 1999 or 2000?

I could download it for free, or not join, but LP is one of the only bands that I physically buy all their stuff and merch, etc. I like to support LP. I don't really care what's on the CD's anymore honestly, I got some sick MTM demos over the years from them, so I can't complain too much. Skipees, I meant the cool live tracks from back in the day. Basically the live tracks that aren't on LPU3, LPU5 or LPU7. The rest I thought were really awesome to have. I still love them all, Wish, OSC with Jonathan Davis, Qwerty (live), Reading My Eyes (live), etc.

Almost all of the LPU9 demos that had vocals were half completed, such as Faint, Figure.09, Fear and Drum Song. But I thought those were really cool because they were demos of songs we all knew and loved at that point, so it awesome seeing how the song evolved from the original ideas into what they are on the albums. I didn't think Asbestos or Debris were cool because they were incomplete and probably just random seed ideas that never made it far into the writing process. I know Debris was worked on again during the ATS period, but by then they probably either changed up the vocals, or added a second verse, I think we should have got that version. It also sounds more like an ATS demo to me, but that is besides the point. I guess what I mean here is that I was genuinely disappointed by LPU12. All the other LPU releases were boss. I like Homecoming and So Far Away, but other than those, I don't like the rest. They just sound very much like a raw seed to me and I expected more quality demos for paying 60 dollars a year.

When I used to think of ''demos'' on LPU CD's back in like 2008 before they started doing the demo LPU CD's, I thought of songs like Dedicated, Qwerty and stuff like that. I never thought we would get heaps of instrumentals. We have got some good demos over the years for sure (ATL, WWDK, I Have Not Begun, Slip, Blue, So Far Away and more) but I just don't see the point in putting tons of instrumentals on the LPU CD's. Some people like them I guess. What I hate even more are the half completed demos. Stuff like Asbetos, Debris. I loved when the LPU CD's were just a nice mix of rare live songs and demos with vocals.