"The Rising Tied" Turns 20 This Year

[leftshoe18]

Back when it released, there was a lot of backlash from existing fans around the lack of rapping and other numetal elements. It was still undoubtedly successful, but it passed off a lot of fans.

 

Source: I've been a fan since 2000 and have been a part of the larger fan community since 2005/2006. I personally know several people who completely stopped listening to Linkin Park after Minutes to Midnight released. 

Edited Tuesday at 06:33 PM by leftshoe18

[LeonardoMF93]

 

1 hour ago, leftshoe18 said:

Back when it released, there was a lot of backlash from existing fans around the lack of rapping and other numetal elements. It was still undoubtedly successful, but it passed off a lot of fans.

 

Source: I've been a fan since 2000 and have been a part of the larger fan community since 2005/2006. I personally know several people who completely stopped listening to Linkin Park after Minutes to Midnight released. 

 

I agree 100%. After Linkin Park changed their style from Hybrid Theory and Meteora, many fans stopped listening (if we can even call them fans). More fans left after A Thousand Suns.

 

For me, The Rising Tied and Minutes to Midnight did well because of the hype from Hybrid Theory and Meteora. But I still think these two albums are excellent.

Edited Tuesday at 08:25 PM by LeonardoMF93

[LPLStaff]

Seems unlikely they'd do another big physical release with just doing a zoetrope and digital edition.

 

Just because we know some song titles doesn't mean a lot of other songs exist in full. Some things we do know exist are: Watch Their Mouth (unreleased, seen on the Making Of) and In Stereo (demo, heard on the Making Of). I watched the stream where he went into the FM folder and talked about Most Kings on Twitch. He said it was just a beat that did not turn into a song. Besides the one extra song, we have no idea if anything else in full exists, but the Fort Minor Militia songs are pretty cool.

 

A good compromise here is a digital deluxe edition with maybe one vinyl or something - do a full 2005 or 2006 show. Surely they have SOMETHING recorded in full... this was after LP started recording shows themselves. And include the Fort Minor Militia songs too along with Watch Their Mouth and some demos. I think the demand is there to do something like that if DBS just did a release themselves.

[RYG4R]

I left during MTM era because of the change in their sound. At that time, I could not even share it to my friends because they thought LP became a boyband due to the soft songs that album had. My friends will share that LP has the best trilogy (HT, Reanimation, Meteora). I had a room mate saying that LP's lead vocalist died during MTM era because he thinks Chaz sounded like a different person due to the minimal fry scream and more on melodic vocals.

I returned during New Divide era and heavily following the band's activities all the way to A Thousand Suns era. A bloke was laughing when I played The Catalyst and asked me if that's LP? and I replied Yes. This bloke responded, "What the hell happened to this band, bro? They used to be great, they sucked now".

[martinez]

+ I will add to everything that was said in the main post a maybe the making of for believe me (if it exists), I heard that some people have seen it. EDIT: and of course an upgrade for music videos.

 

We already might have a very busy year like potential TRT 20, a DBS anniversary and new Linkin Park studio music and live release, so that's a lot.

[bloodbath]

1 hour ago, RYG4R said:

I left during MTM era because of the change in their sound. At that time, I could not even share it to my friends because they thought LP became a boyband due to the soft songs that album had. My friends will share that LP has the best trilogy (HT, Reanimation, Meteora). I had a room mate saying that LP's lead vocalist died during MTM era because he thinks Chaz sounded like a different person due to the minimal fry scream and more on melodic vocals.

I returned during New Divide era and heavily following the band's activities all the way to A Thousand Suns era. A bloke was laughing when I played The Catalyst and asked me if that's LP? and I replied Yes. This bloke responded, "What the hell happened to this band, bro? They used to be great, they sucked now".

My story is similar to yours. After many years of anticipation, MTM was a disappointment and a betrayal to me (I was 16, so...). I keep up with the band during that cycle, because the album keep growing on me. But by the time of New Divide I lost interest on them, not because of the song, just because I grew up and started to listen more stuff and LP sounded very "childish" to me, just like the people @LeonardoMF93 mentioned they stopped paying attention after Meteora.

 

When The Catalyst came out, I was already uninterested in the band and and for me was the final nail in the coffin.

 

But ironically I returned when Burn it Down came out and they played a legacy setlist at that European Tour. While I wasn't a big fan of Burn it Down, I guess the song fulfilled its role, it brought back many fans. And not only that, now I consider ATS their best record. 

[SerioDrew]

Taking a look at your extended list here I had a few extra tracks to add in the conversation!

• Its Going Down (Described as the 1st FM Track)
• Its Going Down [AOL Session] (Unreleased)
• WYG [Compiled from AOL Session] (Unreleased)
• Sampler Mixtape (Exclusive Intro)

Later FM stuff:

• Get A Dog [FM Remix]
• Already Over [FM Remix]
• Remember The Name [Already Over Session]
• Remember The Name [RTN AI Remix] (Twitch Session)
• Ciggarettes [Live Remix] (Unreleased)
• Welcome [Remix with Ryu] (Unreleased)
• IOU [FM Version] (Unreleased)
• Lift Off [FM Version] (Unreleased)

Arguable ones:

• Journey (SoB with Mike Vocals)
• Wretches [Remix]
• High Voltage [Live Remix] (Unreleased)
• WYD [Adam Young Remix]
• Wake Up Show Freestyle 2002
• "Spell It Out" (Rock N Roll Could Never Hip Hop Like This)

 

[JZLP-Benningstrong]

1 hour ago, SerioDrew said:

Taking a look at your extended list here I had a few extra tracks to add in the conversation!

• Its Going Down (Described as the 1st FM Track)
• Its Going Down [AOL Session] (Unreleased)
• WYG [Compiled from AOL Session] (Unreleased)
• Sampler Mixtape (Exclusive Intro)

Later FM stuff:

• Get A Dog [FM Remix]
• Already Over [FM Remix]
• Remember The Name [Already Over Session]
• Remember The Name [RTN AI Remix] (Twitch Session)
• Ciggarettes [Live Remix] (Unreleased)
• Welcome [Remix with Ryu] (Unreleased)
• IOU [FM Version] (Unreleased)
• Lift Off [FM Version] (Unreleased)

Arguable ones:

• Journey (SoB with Mike Vocals)
• Wretches [Remix]
• High Voltage [Live Remix] (Unreleased)
• WYD [Adam Young Remix]
• Wake Up Show Freestyle 2002
• "Spell It Out" (Rock N Roll Could Never Hip Hop Like This)

 

 

I wonder what's the actual truth about Ryu on welcome

 

Was he part of the original song? Or was he part of the remix?

 

Because of his trash talking his friendship w Mike fell apart, they were really good friends i dont remember seeing a picture of them together.. 

[LPLStaff]

Ryu thought he was on the normal version of the song and it was a Fort Minor comeback with him included. https://x.com/TherealRyu/status/612870898404622337

It's easy to see how this got out of control - it looks like Mike cut his verse and didn't tell him lol. He was even at the music video shoot for the song - he thought he was involved in all of this.

[Hybrider]

I want to hear FM version of YO. Episodes too. Both demos are LP and FM demos too.

[martinez]

16 minutes ago, LPLStaff said:

Ryu thought he was on the normal version of the song and it was a Fort Minor comeback with him included. https://x.com/TherealRyu/status/612870898404622337

It's easy to see how this got out of control - it looks like Mike cut his verse and didn't tell him lol. He was even at the music video shoot for the song - he thought he was involved in all of this.

 

Wondering if they shoot video with him when he does his verse too. Maybe yes since he is in the video too and they later cut it.

 

But I have to admit that in general adding Welcome to TRT was weird, It felt like it's something that they never supposed to do.

[JZLP-Benningstrong]

18 hours ago, RYG4R said:

I left during MTM era because of the change in their sound. At that time, I could not even share it to my friends because they thought LP became a boyband due to the soft songs that album had. My friends will share that LP has the best trilogy (HT, Reanimation, Meteora). I had a room mate saying that LP's lead vocalist died during MTM era because he thinks Chaz sounded like a different person due to the minimal fry scream and more on melodic vocals.

I returned during New Divide era and heavily following the band's activities all the way to A Thousand Suns era. A bloke was laughing when I played The Catalyst and asked me if that's LP? and I replied Yes. This bloke responded, "What the hell happened to this band, bro? They used to be great, they sucked now".

 

SO INSECUUUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

54 minutes ago, LPLStaff said:

Ryu thought he was on the normal version of the song and it was a Fort Minor comeback with him included. https://x.com/TherealRyu/status/612870898404622337

It's easy to see how this got out of control - it looks like Mike cut his verse and didn't tell him lol. He was even at the music video shoot for the song - he thought he was involved in all of this.

 

I didnt remember that he was at the music video shoot loooool

the problem with Ryu and SOB its that they always saw themselves as FM members... technically speaking they never were.. even in the tracklist it was always written (FEAT STYLES OF BEYOND)

 

Seems like Mike was going to do something big with FM after OML but you know what happened and everything changed.

 

RIP FM.

 

 

[bloodbath]

6 hours ago, JZLP-Benningstrong said:

 

SO INSECUUUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

 

I didnt remember that he was at the music video shoot loooool

the problem with Ryu and SOB its that they always saw themselves as FM members... technically speaking they never were.. even in the tracklist it was always written (FEAT STYLES OF BEYOND)

 

Seems like Mike was going to do something big with FM after OML but you know what happened and everything changed.

 

RIP FM.

 

 

Well, after all that has happened since, the demise of FM is the lesser evil. I miss it too

[Hybrid1988]

I think a small box set just focused purely on music and not a ton of extras would be cool. TRT, We Major, and FM Militia songs on vinyl is all I need. Would be more than happy to just have that, even if they are sold separately. 

[gorast]

I'm going to go the opposite way and say that we get absolutely nothing. Well, maybe not absolutely nothing, but I don't see a real market for anything but a streaming/digital "definitive" re-release with an unreleased demo or two.

 

We got a definitive vinyl re-release literally last year. At that point in time, we know now that the Linkin Park machine was gearing up, and with that context, that reissue reads to me as "get this out here so we can close the book." Hell, maybe the plan was to wait until this year to do that re-issue, and when it became clear to the guys that they'd be doing, uh, something else by this point, Mike decided to push it all out to keep it out of the way of Linkin Park.

 

I love this album, and I've always wished that we got more of this kind of solo work from Mike. But I think that there is not a market for anything bigger than what's already come out. Fort Minor's lasting cultural impact comes from one song, and I don't think one song is enough to justify even a smaller-scale box set.

[LPLStaff]

Skipping Collision Course was a shame. There was a good opportunity there for the Roxy show (LP songs) to release in some format.

 

Just afraid the recent Fort Minor physical releases - there were quite a few - will hinder them from doing something for this. At least put a show out digitally.