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Now that we've heard Massive, have we ever had any hint of its existence? Like with Lost, we had the instrumental in LPTV and TTAMP, Healing Foot had the drum song clip, Fighting Myself had that one bit of the main riff being recorded...

This is the hard part of these releases I think. There are probably dozens of possible versions if you actually had all the session files, but things don't happen in obvious orders. A later bounce isn't necessarily gonna have vocals that an earlier bounce did, but might have more refined instruments. I think this is why Healing Foot doesn't have Rob's drums.

I think your theory makes sense. People often forget about "Animals", which sounds nothing like Roads Untraveled, yet became inspiration for it. Blue and Crawling are also a great pair. It could also be that Resolution and Lost just happen to share a key and BPM, but the BBB recorded clip makes it seem more likely to me. People also don't think about the demos as being able to become "finished" and then re-recorded in the studio. Healing Foot for example...while it may not have the live drums, it might sound more "finished" as a demo they made at home than any form it had in the studio where the drum tracking clip came from. Sometimes artists try to do as much as they can before going into the studio, and then they start a whole new session from scratch to record it "for real". I'm sure LP's process was a bit more nuanced, but the idea applies imo. Don't know why people are trying to hard to shut you down on this, let's just wait to find out.

Ok I figured. It just seemed like it was being referred to with such confidence lol.

I would guess The Hunting Party-era stuff probably. Until It's Gone felt like it was engineered for success and it doesn't even seem to be that big within these hardcore fan circles. It also got a nice MV. Final Masquerade is kind of a weird one with the big MV and also the attention on the acoustic section. Choosing to play ALITS always seemed a little odd to me and felt like a sort of "let's make more people aware of THP" kinda play. And after years of "I wish LP would do heavy stuff again", I'm pretty surprised it wasn't bigger, except for the fact that I can see nothing truly captured everything HT and Meteora had. The closest feel musically was wastelands, but the lyrics mean nothing to most people. Maybe they thought Iridescent would be bigger as well because of the Transformers feature?

It sounds like Massive is a "full" song then? That's awesome. I thought we'd only get the 3, it's crazy to me that there's more. Seems ambiguous as to whether Resolution is also a full song, but if it was one of the 15 that made it to NRG, I guess so? 6 new full songs is awesome if so Also, I can't believe how much this fandom likes the wizard song lmao. It would be cool to listen to like once, but I'm much happier to hear that it has actual serious lyrics and that's what we're getting

Yeah exactly. Plus you have to put success into perspective here...both Invisible and Sorry For Now have more than 40 million plays each. Warner has many artists that would kill for those kinds of plays on a new lead single, let alone deeper cuts like those are. Mike himself will reliably get over a few million plays on everything he releases (barring the instrumental albums). I don't think anyone is gonna miss a vacation or car payment because LP puts out pop instead of nu metal.

I see the vision, but I wouldn't bet on proving their ability to be aggressive actually being important to them. Honestly I expect the next release, if it ever happens and despite what some of us might want, to be quite chill and pop. Something that would fit in with Coldplay's Music of The Spheres type sound, with the lyrics and melodies being more important than the energy or how metal/aggressive they can be

I don't think it would be that weird to get the same demo chorus of Figure 09 just with verses added in. I could see it existing and they just held back the first time. I say this after having found out they gave us Cumulus without following up on the full song until now. We also know there's pretty obvious stuff (like later versions of Part of Me) that didn't make HT20 and instrumentals not on M20. It's obvious at this point that saving some stuff for later is part of the label's strategy for every LPU release and now the 20th anniversary editions Much like Fighting Myself, there could also be multitracks that got stitched together resulting in the same demo but with verses.

What do y'all actually want from a new LP track? I feel like there's gonna be a lot of disappointment no matter what direction they take. Personally, I think something like Debris would be a great sound. It's Mike-led, you have the gang vocals to make the whole band feel present on a track that is gonna be looked at through the lens of "who are these guys without Chester", and it has their hybrid sound without being HT/Meteora Either that, or I'd like a track that is super organic. Acoustic guitars or little distortion, a rhythm section that is expressive, etc. Like Three Band Terror or Final Masquerade Acoustic but with more interesting instrumentation

I couldn't disagree more about the Lost mix, I think the new modern mix makes it more exciting. I especially love the presence of the low end and the drums. Fighting Myself also sounds of a piece with it by comparison to something like Hit The Floor or other Meteora mixes. I'm psyched to hear the comparison with the 2002 mix just to learn from it, but I love the new mix.

I struggle to hear anything that makes me think that is official besides the new little outro, how do we know it's real?

Exactly. I really struggle w/ long albums today. It's amazing that they had so many tracks and I'm glad we got them, but cutting them was the right decision (or at least, aiming for a shorter album, even if I would exchange a track for MTV).

This is how I feel exactly. I kept waiting for an instrumental verse or bridge with Healing Foot, and the vocals just kept coming. Unreal. It will be incredible if another lost demo features "complete" vocals.

Great writeup^! If A6 has "complete" vocals, it will be the icing on the cake. If Wesside is a whole new song also with complete vocals, it will be the cherry on the icing on the cake.

Resolution was the name the person on that recorder was saying in the teaser videos for Lost, so I think it's a pretty strong guess. It would be cool if it had the "TTAMP" vocal on it so we can hear that idea in context. I'm still blown away by the surprise of Healing Foot having that full of an arrangement. I still think the majority of the Lost Demos are not gonna have full vocals, but now I can't help but hope at least one or two more will. This is an awesome release.

Wow, I really was not expecting any other full songs. Healing Foot is a gift! It has a bridge and everything!

I agree w/ a lot of the sentiment here. It's great to have and I will absolutely be jamming to it, but it also slightly gives off demo vibes just a bit to me. Maybe it's because the chorus reminds me a lot of "I Am Machine" by Three Days Grace or because it doesn't have scratching and other layers I'd expect on a finished track. For me, Lost and More The Victim are lightyears above it. I wonder what the intro sound comes from or the story behind it. Like is it another melody chopped up and rearranged, and where did that melody come from if so? Nah

Do we really only have one Hunting Party demo title? That's crazy. There's gotta be at least some interesting alternate melodies/lyrics to the songs we got, if not more unheard tracks. We know the outro of All For Nothing is something

I wonder if the "Blood Anger Suffering" outro of Figure 09 will be anywhere on the 20th release. Like as lyrics to another demo we haven't heard yet, or if it's on any of the live shows (I'm sure it's written in the setlists here but I haven't looked)

I know, I was just responding to the previous post that said they didn't think those lyrics fit. Your vid shows it's the right key/tempo (unless you altered it). And it's such a short phrase it could fit anywhere, starting on any beat, so I don't know what there is to doubt

I finally listened to the track. Wow, the bridge is very interesting, and a showcase of a bunch of different Chester vocals. I think More the Victim might be my favorite of the 3 tracks, but I can totally see why they went w/ Lost as the lead. It's so Chester-focused. I think Numb was the better choice for sure, but this might be better than Easier to Run for me. Also, the mix is great. I can certainly hear the modern touch on it, mostly in the drums I think. I'm glad they gave it that, and I'm interested to hear how the 2003 mix will sound.

It sounds like it could fit just fine to me:

I noticed that the Xero page still says that Pictureboard has never been released, and also has no mention of the name Ashes or Flower (though Ashes is described by its lpu moment)

I agree w you, I'd be happy to have a surround mix for a quality surround setup space that the band liked. But the way Apple and Dolby market it make no sense to me. Most people would get orders of magnitude better sound by just having better speakers/headphones, and Atmos is never gonna translate to retail spaces, the beach, bars, the club...so stereo mixing for such spaces will continue to be an art in and of itself that takes years to master. Their marketing makes it sound like the future of everything will be Atmos when it's just not imo. Doesn't mean it won't work ofc. I know people proud of their surround setups and then they'll demo it with YouTube and an all stereo setting on their amp, not even realizing the difference from an actual Atmos source