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4 hours ago, LPLStaff said:

Didn't he say Resolution was NOT a Lost demo? It is its own song?

No, someone said Resolution was a demo version of Lost. And one other person claiming they have bad memory said it sounded new. I’m going with that it probably is.

The source seems pretty unreliable too, mentions hearing a "Don't Stay" demo, which isn't part of the tracklist.  But I don't wanna make assumptions, maybe they're being for real who knows. I'm just gonna wait till Friday to find out.

1 hour ago, unksoldier2000 said:

makes sense now, the verses might have some EQ and effect differences.
like you said, we are getting the og 2002 mix, sad that Lost was the only non-album track to be mixed.

true, I wish MTV and FM made it all the way through like Lost. They’re all such amazing tracks. But previously everyone thought it was only the 12 that made the album that were mixed and done. Lost (known for years as this “thoughts that take away my pride” track) being a mixed and done song is something I don’t think anyone really expected or realized how close to making the cut it always was.

For years I had always thought of this track as like the “secret song” of Meteora, because of how much like the finished songs on the album the track sounded in all the clips we heard of it and the fact it wasn’t released in any form at all. Crazy that it actually was that one song that just didn’t make it onto Meteora.

2 hours ago, unksoldier2000 said:

i noticed that the verse synth is really panned to the right side.
that other distorted sample from 0:20 is panne to the left side.
and the string are not that loud in this mix.

some stuff that still on the Manny mix after all... did he listened to the 2002 mix to then do his mix?

All those things are just differences in mixing choices made by Andy and Manny I think, as well as to do with the mixes being 20 years apart from each other.

Mike said the band and Manny listened to the original mix and then decided to give it the new one.

The whole point of the new mix is to keep the familiar classic sound of Linkin Park and Meteora but do it in a way that sounds more presentable nowadays, so it would appeal to more audiences. Makes perfect sense. But also I’m really glad they’re including the 2002 mix too, and not just keep it buried forever.

4 hours ago, solidss said:

The 2002 mix will have all the exact same parts of the song we have now, only mixed differently. The drums, bass, guitars, etc. all the individual stems of the track will be in different volumes compared to what we have now mixed by Manny.  Gonna be interesting to compare both versions to see how Andy Wallace wanted it to sound in 2002 compared to Manny for his more modern sound.

The sounds are all the same but the mix and EQ is very different on a lot of sounds.

Most sounds EQ will likely be a lot more raw on the 2002 mix, like how the other Meteora tracks were done by Andy and at the time of 2002.

One example, is that scratch effect after every 2nd snare hit in the verses, again heard in Mikes Shirt LPUTV.

Another is just the drum track itself, especially the kicks.

And overall the mix is more Andy Wallace sounding for sure you can hear it in higher quality in that clip on the extended summer sanitarium episode on LP’s youtube

9 hours ago, STRANGELOVE92 said:

I think an Italian rock radio is playing the 2002 mix, I might be wrong but I heard some differences. I even played it on Spotify just right after I heard it on the radio (same car stereo) and the one I heard on the radio sounded rawer and louder, IMO 

Listen to the background music in LPUTV Mikes Shirt. That’s the first verse on the 2002 mix. The bass is a bit more “bassy” and noticeable on the 2002 mix.

https://youtu.be/IQH5mdAvfyo

Also, I don’t think the 2002 mix has come out anywhere yet, so it wouldn’t be getting radio play yet. You probably heard the modern mix but it’s the same song technically.

Again, never said the modern mix was bad. Meteora has an iconic sound and changing it for a more modern touch is a little unfamiliar. New mix is still good but the original mix is going to be better for the sake of authenticity

21 minutes ago, martinez said:

Thoughs about this Lost song - it feels that maybe they didn't know how or where to add the song, because that song was 100% completed in 2002, mixed, mastered, so is the song can be called a demo after you make a new mix for it? Rather no, it's still a completed song, so it makes no sense to add it on the disc that it's called "demos".

 

But anyway, they figured it out it this way and I'm glad to have both versions of that song, even if the song itself is not my favorite.

It’s the first in line of the tracks on the lost demos, meant to serve as the “main” release for Meteora20. So no it’s not a demo, but it’s still unreleased. All other 13 tracks in the CD are technically considered demos so “Lost Demos” actually makes a ton of sense for the name and the placement of Lost.

I think a lot of people in the community are having trouble liking Lost right now because we’ve only heard the modern mix. Trust me guys, the 2002 mix is gonna be much better. It’s the actual OG “Lost”. We haven’t heard it yet, and I’m pretty positive it’s gonna sound much more “Meteora” if it’s included on the full album in the Deluxe CD. Most of us myself included will probably like it a lot more. Not to say the modern mix is bad, I love LP’s new music, and Manny Marroquin is great. it’s just that Lost isn’t a new song, it’s from 2002. And with LP, a song from 2002 with its original mix definitely beats any remix or remaster.

38 minutes ago, lhcluiz said:

 

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no real point of posting this, it’s too blurry to detect the code. also, whatever it leads to is probably not even gonna be up until release day anyways.

On 3/28/2023 at 8:42 AM, unksoldier2000 said:

you are right, but during the video rec think that they were recording the drums aswell.
i wonder what happened to the "final version" of Healing Foot, maybe they didn't release it cause during the NRG sessions they just trashed it.. sad but could be that
something that we would need to ask Mike/Brad/Don.

It’s also possible they never had a finished version of those drums. (Chorus or verses may not have been recorded or had a finished version). The part we heard in the video clip was of the bridge, we know now.

It’s hard to say since we don’t know exactly how soon into the process HF got cut but I’m assuming it had to have been one of the earliest to go. Great demo, but It’s definitely different than the stuff they were trying to do for Meteora at the time.

On 3/26/2023 at 10:11 AM, unksoldier2000 said:

I doubt that they were just pacticing, they seem to be tracking' i still think that the drums are not the ones from NRG, it has the same "fill" for all sections of the songs.. very weird.

They probably never found the session with those drums. Either that or they just didn’t sound good (was too overpowering) over the rest of the “demo” sounds in the mix. Sadly I don’t think HF made it past drums at NRG. Maybe bass but guitar is doubtful.

We previously knew "Lost" as the long time grail "Thoughts That Take Away My Pride" demo from the Making of Meteora DVD. Now that "Lost" is out, and we've heard the whole thing in full, there are still many videos the song was hiding in all this time. Here is every video the song has made an appearance in throughout the years before its release:

LPTV 1 Episode 4: The Studio II - 7:32-7:39: Lost (Recording process of a verse) (No vocals yet)

LPTV 1 Episode 5: The Vocals - 1:37-1:42: Lost (Recording process of the bridge)

The Making of Meteora DVD - 24:31-24:36: Lost (Same clip above)

The Making of Meteora DVD - 24:54-24:57: A lyric sheet shown for Lost. It includes the final lyrics of the 2nd verse and the demo lyrics over the bridge. The chorus was likely on the same paper, just not shown.

The Making of Meteora DVD - 26:33-26:34: Chester's scream after messing up the demo bridge on Lost. This video section with Chester saying they rewrote a song "97 times" could be talking about "Lost". It's possible we'll see more on the new DVD in the box set.

In 2007, the instrumental of the finished mix was behind two LPTV videos:

LPTV 2 Episode 3: Summer Sanitarium (Extended Version) - 2:10-2:41: Lost (2002 Mix) (Instrumental)

LPU Exclusive: Mike's Shirt - 0:00-0:58: Lost (2002 Mix) (Instrumental)

I think that's everywhere. Still a lot of places the song appeared for it not even being released at the time. Goes to show how finished the song was to have made it in all these clips.

I think a lot of the songs are probably gonna have vocals. They all did on Forgotten Demos on HT20 anyways.

Lost, Fighting Myself, and More The Victim just have more completed lyrics, whereas we heard in Healing Foot, sounds a lot more like demo lyrics.

If Resolution is a demo of Lost, It’d be cool if the “Thoughts That Take Away My Pride” lyric was in there. It was on the art wall at one point I believe right?

1 hour ago, JZ-GreyDaze said:

 

14 track of Meteora by the way I wonder if they are going to add a transition from Numb to Lost

My guess is there probably won’t be one based on how Lost starts and how Numb ends, and also the length of the 2002 mix is the same (3:19)

but we’ll have to see maybe they had one for Lost back in 2002-03. It wouldn’t surprise me as it was literally a fully done album track that just got removed in favor of having 12 songs.

I think Mike confirmed that “Lost” was the only other song besides all the album tracks, that they actually took into the final mix in NYC. He said somewhere he thought they took 13 to the mix and 12 made it onto the album. 

Edit: He did say it in “The FADER” interview on Meteora20

I still can’t wait to have a mix of Lost that will blend in with the rest of the album’s sound.

It’s legendary to hear “Healing Foot”. I never thought that song would have received a FULL version of vocals. Another dream come true with this release.

I think LinkinPedia definitely should  update the ‘The Making of Meteora’ page. “Lost” is still not mentioned and “Thoughts That Take Away My Pride” is still labeled as unknown. It’s still pretty early I know but someone who can could edit that on there that would be helpful info to have. Thanks guys

Fighting Myself out March 24th!! Revealed on LP’s instagram story

On 3/20/2023 at 10:06 AM, Trumtram said:

That is what you wrote. You didn't give any source at all, not even your own ears. You just put it out there without any info on how you found out about it.
 

This was your answer to how you know that. You give a little bit of an explanation here but can't be bothered to mention what demo you are refering to. Again, nothing that verifies what you claimed initially and therefore it seemed like it was nothing more than baseless speculation which we had too much of during the last weeks.

And yet you still can't seem to understand why people reacted the way they did? Come on, man, just be a LITTLE self critical about the way you communicated your find. I think we all agree that you found out something really intriguing but don't act like everyone shitted on your claim for NO reason because as I pointed out, it took you 3(!) posts to finally explain everything. That's your fault alone.

With that being said, I never would have imagined that these two songs might be connected. It's still a bit crazy to me.

Homie, You’re overthinking stuff. It’s not that serious. And stop acting like you just know everything about my intents. I was never surprised by any reaction. I never thought anyone “SHITTED” on my claim. All I said was it’d be nice if people listen and take it in. I’m not perfect, don’t think anyone is, so if I made a slight mistake in this, it’s my apologies.

Healing Foot is indeed “Rob’s Drum Track”. It’s too similar to Broken Foot to not be correlated with it. I’ve known about this connection for a little while already, but never said anything up until recently.

15 minutes ago, Trumtram said:

To be fair, you just put out a claim initially without any explanation on how you came to the conclusion. It's something we have seen around here for the last couple of weeks and you had to expect that people don't just follow your claim. If you would've provided your reasoning earlier people would've been much more positive towards you. So please don't spin this as "us" being skeptical because "we" had every reason to be so.

I haven’t been here the last couple of weeks for one. But I know that people often do that without saying any sources. No, I didn’t tell the sources I got them from because I am the source. I made the sonic connections between Broken Foot and the Rob drum track.

I never said anyone was skeptical, or that they shouldn’t be, you have every right to be. I just said it’d be nice if people would just take in the info and think about if it makes sense or not. Because the claim was very logical. Never said I expected positivity, but I expect people to read and look into things before judging.

On 3/17/2023 at 5:25 PM, solidss said:

 

Do you know if the Mikes Shirt instrumental is an early demo instrumental or the same instrumental as the Manny Marroquin or Andy Wallace mix? 

I always thought the music used in Mikes Shirt sounded like an early demo instrumental version and not the same instrumental as the finished version.

For example, Cumulus, was an early demo instrumental that isn't exactly the same as the instrumental for the finished More The Victim.

I think it’s the same instrumental heard in the summer sanitarium video. I’ve isolated both of the music in the videos and the I think the only reason the song sounds a bit different is the difference in background noise between the two videos. The guitar is heard for a brief second at the start of the Mikes Shirt video, and it has the finalized tone, same as in the summer sanitarium video, so I doubt it’s a demo version. Both videos feature the finished Lost instrumental and it has to be the 2002 mix. It was the only mix that existed at the time.

14 hours ago, Hybrider said:

It looks like you have very good ears. The drums are the same. You were right when you sayed a few years ago that loop from Mike's Shirt LPTV is a "Lost". Some of the fans didn't believe you back then. This is the similar situation. I will die if you will have right again that "Healing Foot" is a Rob drum demo. 😂

Thank you. It’s nice when people listen, and check my sources i give rather than just saying “you don’t know that for sure.” It’s NEVER a flex, I just hear music very attentively, which is why I was able to figure out Mikes Shirt having the instrumental of Lost in it, some years back. I don’t know what else to say, other than it’s going to be Healing Foot. It’s not just a wild guess when it’s highly evidential. A wild guess was saying “Resolution” is the rob drum track.

1 hour ago, Capacity said:

Stop throwing guesses as facts, please. This is the typical thing that starts spreading around YT with fake titles and I hate that. 

 

 

It’s not a guess. Listen to Broken Foot in full. There’s a part of the song with the EXACT same drum part, not to mention the demo is the same tempo and key. The correlation between the titles is a dead giveaway.

And yeah I hate it too. people are calling it Resolution right now, no idea why. Maybe they just thought the title fit it

3 hours ago, NJPLP said:

Maybe "Resolution" is an early version of "Lost", who knows.

I think Resolution is Lost’s working title. Lost had to have been one of the titles on the board with the other songs that did make the cut, since it made it all the way through the process.

We heard “Resolution” get mentioned in the BBB soundbites video (unlisted), that had the clip of an early demo version of Lost. 

2 hours ago, NJPLP said:

I still think that "Soundtrack" is the instrumental demo of "Wesside" and that "Wesside" is a more developed version of "Soundtrack" with live drums, scratching, and vocals, based off how the lengths of the songs are almost the exact same (Soundtrack: 3:15 / Wesside: 3:14).

 

I'm not too entirely sure on if "Ominous" is the instrumental demo of "Massive" and that "Massive" is a more developed version of "Ominous" with live drums, scratching, and vocals. The only reason why I thought that was mainly because they both have the same exact length of 3:08.

A lot of songs have the same length, so it’s impossible to tell with that. Massive and Wesside are probably gonna be new demos to us entirely. Massive MIGHT be a more completed Soundtrack but we don’t know yet. Wesside is definitely a demo title, so it’ll probably be new.

4 hours ago, IntensityJS said:

Source: dude trust me

Yea, just trust me guys 😉😉😉

It’s Healing Foot.

I got good ears so I was able to make the connections between it and another familar demo we know.

7 hours ago, solidss said:

Isnt the 2002 mix of lost just a looped instrumental that was used for background music on LPTV episodes or is there another mix that you guys are thinking of?

The 2002 Mix was the instrumental behind SUMMER SANITARIUM and Mikes Shirt LPTV’s. It’ll be that instrumental in full with the vocals. Literally, it’s a fully finished Meteora track we’ve never heard.

I’ve got Major news about the songs:

The rob drum track is “Healing Foot”

“Resolution” is likely to be the demo version of “Lost”.

I don’t know what “Wesside” and “Massive” are but will probably be brand new demos to us or possibly more complete versions of familiar demos.. Exciting stuff!!

Also, the special QR code could very likely be or include the original 2002 mix of Lost we’re getting also on the deluxe CD. Maybe it’ll be added at some point on streaming services too. That’d be really awesome.