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4 hours ago, Astat said:

There were only 13 songs left when the band entered mixing, per a studio update from Mike in December of 2002.

 

"we also cut the number of songs down to thirteen, and we'll be cutting one more, i think."

 

The one that got cut was Lost.

Wow! I've never seen that studio report before. That confirmed it definitely though. 13 finished mixed and mastered songs and 12 made the album.

Also, I'm sure the Andy mix of Lost will eventually be officially released like on streaming services and all, at some point, maybe it'll even be as a bonus track on the album there too, but we'll have to wait a few years for that probably. Right now there's not reason to, since it's available exclusively on the deluxe CD right now.

On 1/10/2024 at 4:05 PM, martinez said:

Read the CD credits, you will find out who mixed it.

 

And yeah not that much layers in that one but adding the effects is also part of the mixing, which was done by Andy.

Yeah but it wouldn't have been mixed during finals in December 2002, with everything else because It was made two months later. Brad said 14 songs in an interview so it could mean either way really, I guess, but we'll know if we do get a 2002 mix of More the Victim or not.

EDIT: It wasn’t? made two months later, no idea where the idea came from but I must’ve been tripping

Adds up. Fighting Myself didn’t get a finished mix in 2002, as confirmed by Mike. More the Victim I don’t think we know whether it was put aside and didn’t get mixed or if Andy did mix it with the others back at that time. All we know is that the version out is “the farthest we got with it” as Mike says.

The idea given seems like Lost was the only mixed and finalized unreleased track from the album session, but that’s never been clearly stated.

Either way, they only had a max of 15 songs they could have finished and mixed. All i’m saying is a 2002 finished mix of More the Victim might have existed, which if it did that would be awesome to hear. If it does exist i’m sure they’ll put it out at some point for the close fans. Logically, I think probably it would make more sense it didn’t get mixed back in 2002 though.

As far as the finished songs go, I thought Lost was the only one they fully finished and mixed but didn’t make the track listing, but i’d been thinking about it lately. I believe an interview with Brad stated specifically 14 songs were mixed which would make Lost and one other. Another interview from Mike says he thinks 13 were mixed. Curious cause the only other two songs they worked on in final were Fighting Myself and More the Victim, the finalized album sound they also both have gives it away plus the red song board’s working titles, and the fact that 15 were worked on in full.

Im curious if Brad was right and if they did have 14, it means More the Victim did actually get a mixed version by Andy, even though it seems kinda unlikely. I know Mike talked about how he knew Fighting Myself wasn’t completely finished, but I don’t recall him ever clearly stating More the Victim had been abandoned during the recording session. Do correct me if i’m wrong maybe it was stated somewhere. Mike did refer to More the Victim as a demo still, but it is a little less finished than Lost, lyrically I think so it makes sense.

Either way, If it does exist that would be pretty cool to hear and maybe we’ll get to hear it at some point but if not maybe Brad just was thinking how the album has 13 tracks, and adding one more in that moment of that interview. I know Mike did say Fighting Myself never got a finished mix/mastered version at the time of the album.

and btw I definitely think the new mixes were the right thing to do to properly present them all in a more modern way. That being said, I do prefer the original mix of Lost over the modern mix, just because of the nostalgia factor, but the new mix felt like a 2023 memory of an old experience, almost kinda like a flashback which is really cool.

On 11/19/2023 at 12:52 PM, Somebodyangry said:

Lost would have been huge back then but it’s weaker than Numb so I get why they didn’t include it. But it’s fucking amazing to have it. 

yea after listening to it probably hundreds of times i can see what Mike said how it has the same intensity as Numb, and it just doesn’t quite make sense on the album before Numb really. An extra track from the album is what it kinda needed to be, just it definitely could’ve been a B-side back in 2003, I think. But alas they forgot about it, and understandably as they never really needed another extra song that year in particular so again i’m glad it’s out now nevertheless.

On 5/6/2023 at 8:52 PM, LPLStaff said:

It's still number one 7+ weeks on the charts lol. Crazy. If this was released as a Meteora single it would be known by everyone.

I definitely think Lost would’ve been huge back in the day, and would’ve easily become an anthem known by everyone but when it comes down to it, I think Numb ended up being bigger than Lost would’ve been. The two songs are very close to being the same level of power and emotion, and they’re both amazing songs. The fact is they wanted Numb and didn’t want another song that had its same emotional intensity. So holding it off the record was what they needed to do to do that. I think they made the right choice though, Lost definitely sounds like the album but it feels like it doesn’t quite have a spot on the album. I’m guessing the song never ended up on an LPU because it was finished and that was really mostly for demos and unfinished/scrapped material.

Shoutweb: So, there are 13 tracks, right?

Rob: One of them is more like an instrumental interlude song. It's not really an interlude though. It really kind of shows the electronic element of what we do. There is a lot of drum editing and a lot of different editing on that. It's a really, really cool song.

Shoutweb: Is that "Forward"?

Rob: No, that is actually just a little intro. The song I am talking about is called "Session".

Shoutweb: So that actually makes only 12 songs on the record.

Rob: It was almost 13. You know what? We had so many songs. We actually went into the studio with 18 songs that we recorded drums on. We really tried to concentrate on the record as a whole, besides just the songs. It's hard to cut songs out because we had songs that we're just so attached to and I think are really great songs but we really tried to pick the amount of songs that fit the record to make the record a whole piece of work. Not just a bunch of different songs thrown on an album. We really wanted to take you on a journey so you can listen to something from beginning to end. We want something that is going to grab your attention the whole time and you've gone on this musical journey that is just under 37 minutes this time.

This is interesting. Rob said, "It was ALMOST 13." It's possible he was recollecting "Lost", almost making the album.

I wonder if were gonna get a new LPU CD this year. It's been a long damn time since we got one and I feel like with Meteora 20 and everything, a new LPU CD would make for another awesome thing from the band, cause it seems like LPU is really starting up again. Even if its just some unearthed live audios or instrumental demos, it'd be great.

the Linkinpedia page says Lost 2002 mix has a shorter intro? Why? Both mixes have the same intro length?

I’m gonna post one more time the full Meteora board of songs and the demo titles each song goes to cause why not. Just to show again the 18 total demos LP had in the final process of making Meteora.

1. Cumulus - a demo from LPU13, which ended up receiving a basically finished version with full vocals but left off the album, “More the Victim”. Ended up sounding a bit too far from the rest of the songs for the bands liking for being on the album at the time.

2. Interrogation - the working title to the album track “Easier to Run”, unknown until Meteora 20 release.

3. Cuidado - the demo for “Lying from You” on the album. Confirmed in a Mike Shinoda live in April 2021.

4. (BLANK SPACE) - likely the “Healing Foot” demo. The original clip of Rob recording drums for this song in the Making of Meteora DVD, and the only finished track done being drums, almost guarantees this was that demo, and it didn’t make it as far as the others.

5. Pretty Birdie - demo version of album track and single “Somewhere I Belong” originally released in LPU13. Title seemed to have slightly changed from “Pretty Birdy”, maybe because Phoenix plays golf, though that’s just a wild guess.

6. Shifter - one of two titles shown in a 2003 spin magazine about recording Meteora. It turned out to be the working title for the album track and single “From the Inside”. The instrumental demo was heard in Making of Meteora and LPTV 1 Episode 1.

7. (originally thought to be Serpent/Quotient) Shortcut - demo title for a 90% completed song not on the album, “Fighting Myself”. Demo version was heard in a short 4 second clip in the LPTV 1 episode 1.

8. Nocturnal - the second title shown in the same 2003 spin magazine about recording Meteora. Confirmed at Meteora 20 Working title for “Nobody’s Listening”, which made the album.

9. Session - Session.

10. Resolution - demo title for “Lost”, the “Thoughts That Take Away My Pride” song shown in making of Meteora DVD. Song was completed with the 12 album tracks, and got mixed by Andy, but was removed when the tracklist took shape in mastering. Early demo version on Meteora 20 was used for the joke “Wizard Song” in the same DVD.

11. Faint - Song on the album and popular single always kept its working title.

12. Sick - demo title for “Don’t Stay”, on the album. A demo we’ve known about, that originally had a reggae-style vibe. Demo is not unearthed yet.

13. Plaster II - A demo of the album song Figure.09. This version might have had singing verses while recording at NRG studios. Another (likely earlier) version of this demo was heard in LPTV 1 Episode 4, with Brad ripping a guitar solo then pretending to be frozen.

14. (originally thought to be Nursery/Hearsay) Husky - working title for the album track “Hit the Floor”. Unknown until Meteora 20.

15. Drawing - demo title for the album track and single “Breaking the Habit”, that originally appeared on LPU9.

16. Figure.09 - Merged with Plaster II to become the final version of the song.

tracks not on the board 

17. Numb - final song on the album, and most popular single came together “quickly and almost effortlessly” at NRG studios, which might explain it not being up on the board, it got finished, at least instrumentally, earlier that the other songs. The official working title is unknown still, but it’s also possible it never had one or was always “Numb”, if that lyric was written early on.

18. A.06 - we know the short instrumental was recorded at NRG studios, though its intent was likely just to serve as an album promo, as it was released while the album was being recorded. Maybe the track was gonna serve as an intro at one point. Nevertheless, it was a demo that got shortened from a full song demo to a short instrumental in the final process.

On 5/28/2023 at 6:48 AM, martinez said:

You can call it a rough mix, yeah no problem, like the rest of the demos besides first 3 were mixed in 2002 so those are probably rough mixes + they are all unfinished.

 

So you can continue to agree with me with another 5+ more posts if you want

 

I never was saying they were fully finished songs nor i said anything about Andy, you are the one who just bring those two things.

 

The mix can be done at some point where the song is not finished yet or the already done mix can be improved/changed in the later time, you can check Mike's live stream channel and see how many times he changed the mixes for his most famous jam songs.

let me rephrase my first post about this. the songs never got a finished mix back in the day, which is what Mike said. How’s that?

On 5/9/2022 at 10:42 AM, lpliveusername said:

Not a real name.

we know now it’s called Lost XD, had to call it TTTAMP though cause what else would we call it.

On 3/26/2023 at 8:49 PM, FigurePlaster92 said:

Red: Unknown Working Title

Blue: Working Title that stay

Green: Working Title

Black: Final working Title

 

Hybrid Theory EP (1999):

Carousel

Technique (Short) - Rendezvous

Step Up

And One

High Voltage - Siamo

Part Of Me/ Track 7 - Chair

 

Hybrid Theory (2000) (1999-2000):

Papercut/ Paper Cut

One Step Closer - Plaster

With You - Now I See/ Dust Brothers

Points Of Authority - Oh No/ Points & Authority/ Points And Authority

Crawling - Sky

Runaway - Stick N' Move (Worked On During Xero Sessions)

By Myself - Sad/ Superxero/ Superzero

In The End - Untitled/ It Doesn't Matter

A Place For My Head - Esaul/ Esaùl (Worked On During Xero Sessions)

Forgotten - Rhinestone (Worked On During Xero Sessions)

Cure For The Itch - Mr Hahn/ The Cure/ The Cure For Mr. Hahn's Itch/ Mr. Hahn's Itch

Pushing Me Away - Harmonic Song

My December

 

Meteora (2003) (2001-2004):

Foreword

Don't Stay - Sick

Somewhere I Belong - Pretty Birdy/ Pretty Birdie

Lying From You - Cuidado

Hit The Floor - Husky

Easier To Run - Interrogation

Faint

Figure.09 - Plaster 2/ Plaster II

Breaking The Habit - Drawing

From The Inside - Shifter

Nobody's Listening - Nocturnal

Session

Numb

 

Minutes To Midnight (2007) (2005-2008):

Wake - WAKE Album Intro Idea

Given Up - 21 Stitches/ Fire In The City

Leave Out All The Rest - Fear/ When My Time Comes

Bleed It Out - Accident/ Re-Fucking Write

Shadow Of The Day

What I've Done - Bang Three

Hands Held High - Song Q

No More Sorrow - EBow/ EBow Idea

Valentine's Day

In Between

In Pieces - Pictures

The Little Things Give You Away - Drum Song

 

A Thousand Suns (2010) (2008-2010):

The Requiem

The Radiance (Originally A Part Of "Burning In The Skies")

Burning In The Skies

Empty Spaces

When They Come For Me - Dingleberry

Robot Boy - Voyage

Jornada Del Muerto

Waiting For The End - Meadowlands

Blackout - Pac-Manny/ Packmanny

Wretches And Kings - Rygar

Wisdom, Justice, And Love (Originally A Part Of "Iridescent")

Iridescent - Iridescent New

Fallout

The Catalyst - Under Bite

The Messenger

 

Living Things (2012) (2011-2012):

Lost In The Echo - Holding Company

In My Remains - One Forty

Burn It Down - Buried At Sea

Lies Greed Misery - Piledriver (Worked On During "A Thousand Suns" Sessions)

I'll Be Gone - Primo (Worked On During "A Thousand Suns" Sessions)

Castle Of Glass (Worked On During "A Thousand Suns" Sessions)

Victimized - Battle Axe

Roads Untraveled

Skin To Bone

Until It Breaks - Apaches/ Foot Patrol/ Three Band Terror/ (Fourth Unknown Demo)

Tinfoil (Originally A Part Of "Powerless")(Worked On During "A Thousand Suns" Sessions)

Powerless - Tinfoil (Worked On During "A Thousand Suns" Sessions)

 

The Hunting Party (2014) (2013-2014):

Keys To The Kingdom - Coffee

All For Nothing - True Chainz

Guilty All The Same - Blinky

The Summoning

War - Warrior

Wastelands - Artillery/ The Wastelands/ Wastelands Of Today

Until It's Gone - Thanksgiving

Rebellion

Mark The Graves - Plato

Drawbar (Originally A Part of "Final Masquerade")

Final Masquerade - Drawbar

A Line In The Sand - Odyssey (Worked On During "A Thousand Suns" Sessions)

 

One More Light (2017) (2015-2017):

Nobody Can Save Me - Nobody Can Save Me Now/ Nobody Can Save Me J Green 2

Good Goodbye

Talking To Myself

Battle Symphony - Battle Tymp Ony

Invisible - Invisible - MS w Justin Parker

Heavy

Sorry For Now

Halfway Right

One More Light

Sharp Edges

 

Others/ Miscellaneous:

A.06 - A6/ A-Six

QWERTY

No Roads Left - Patients/ No Roads Left But One

Across The Line - Japan

Blackbirds

New Divide - Megatron

Not Alone (Worked On During "Minutes To Midnight" Sessions)

A Light That Never Comes - Victorious

White Noise (Worked on during "The Hunting Party" Sessions)

Mal RX7 - Milk (Worked on during "Living Things sessions)

It Goes Through - Luna (Worked on during "Living Things" sessions)

The Last Line - Ammosick (Worked On During "Minutes To Midnight" And "A Thousand Suns" Sessions)

Devil's Drop - Warm Spell (Worked on during "Living Things" sessions)

Darker Than Blood - Horizons (Worked on during "Living Things" and "The Hunting Party" sessions)

She Couldn't - Emo

Lost - Resolution

Fighting Myself - Shortcut

More The Victim - Cumulus

Healing Foot

this looks accurate. great job on this!

I wonder if we’ll ever find out what Numbs working title was, if it even had one or if it was just untitled or even kept Numb all along or something. Still would be worth knowing.

On 5/25/2023 at 1:45 PM, martinez said:

 

Indeed they were, Mike use the word "we clean the mix" for all of them, which means they were mixed at some point but the band didn't liked them that much so decided to clean them up. Also, all 3 songs (Lost, Fighting Myself, More The Victim) are the only ones mixed in 2022, the rest of the songs from Lost Demos has the original mix done by Mike back then in 2002, the only new thing is that they were mastered. Mike said that so it's all confirmed.

Unlike Lost, Fighting Myself and More the Victim never got technically finished back in 2002, but had the most finished versions we hear today. There probably is a rough/unfinished mix of the two songs but they never got fully mixed by Andy like Lost did. As far as non-album tracks go, Lost was the only 100% finished and mixed Meteora song. FM and MTV though were like 95% there, so I personally still consider them full songs and not demos.

Mike also has stated FM and MTV never got mixed back in the day so he took the multis and gave them a proper mix.

There is a clip in an LPTV of Brad playing something on piano, and Phoenix mentions it held the working title “Knuckles”. This makes me wonder if Knuckles might be Numb’s demo title or something (the tune sounds not much like Numb but who knows). 99% sure it’s not, probably a totally different Meteora-era demo. But again who knows.

FM and MTV and even 2023 mix of Lost sound fine just how they are. The only thing that makes them a little less Meteora sounding imo is the mixing on the drums, notably the really loud kicks, which wasn’t really in their sound back then, but it fits well with Meteora other than that.

Lost 2023 mix has some other mixing choices that make it sound less Meteora-like though, like less powerful guitars. It’s still a beautiful mix in my opinion.

2023 mix is more emotional

2002 mix is more nostalgic

Almost 2 months into the release, I still find it so amazing how much stuff was uncovered for this anniversary.

We got some new stuff for HT20, mostly the new DVD for that anniversary was what I thought was the coolest, as well as getting Pictureboard and a few other awesome unheard demos.

But THIS anniversary man. We knew so little about Meteora before this year as far as a lot of the unreleased tracks and even stuff about the album tracks. 14 completely new  demos to us, 3 of which were full songs recorded for the album (15 new tracks counting both mixes of Lost) which is crazy, and not only that but more stories of the writing and the working titles and stories about each demo. Not to mention, the new DVD is also incredibly dope.

2022 me expected a small rerelease MAYBE featuring some new unheard demos like “Thoughts That Take Away My Pride” (and we got the finished version we didn’t know existed as the damn leading single) or The rob drum track instrumental (and it had freaking vocals) and also definitely some new merch. But man we got so much more stuff, most of which we’ve never heard or heard about until now. I mean we even got the goddamn Wizard Song instrumental, which I thought would never see the light of day, and as the turns out, plot twist it was an early demo for Lost all along. So much crazy stuff revealed.

It’s been a crazy cool year so far with all this stuff we thought we might never hear, but we did. And it’s all Amazing.

For the guitar players like me, I gotta say Lost is not played in drop C. The powerchords are

Drop D  Root Fifth

F   Root Fifth

C  Bottom Fifth

G   Root Fifth

G   Root Fifth (again, second time)

It’s likely the same C# tuning as Numb, Faint, etc. Or possibly a half step up, if Brad did tune specially for Lost, which I would doubt because I’m pretty sure he tries to change tunings as little as possible for convenience (especially live), though might not be the case in the studio, where I know he did tune A LOT.

And also, not that this is a big deal at all really, a rather pointless argument to say the least but I don’t know if anyone else noticed that subtle detail.

On 4/9/2023 at 6:34 PM, LPLStaff said:

Not for me - the Lost bridge is much better than what we hear on the DVD. They made the right decision on the bridge.

Agreed. We still got the song. That’s what matters. I always thought “TTTAMP” seemed a bit unfinished anyways.

My initial impression was that Lost made it that far and that was it. Scrapped because it couldn’t get good enough lyrics. But it turned out to be a fully finished song. The summer sanitarium clip kinda first gave me the feeling it was a completed studio track and we’d just never heard it.

14 hours ago, bloodbath said:

Maybe the Don't Stay and Nobody's Listening weren't included because they were almost identical to the final versions, a different working name doesn't have to mean a drastically different song

Nobody’s Listening might be but Don’t Stay had an interesting demo that’s different from the final. It had like a latin-sounding guitar in it originally or something.  Thatd be something worth hearing.

6 hours ago, Stranger said:

 

Well, the new thing added: FREE LPU MEMBERSHIP for A YEAR! that's good enough since LPU revamp this year.

 

 

 

thanks for the info! That’s that special QR code Mike mentioned right? I got a feeling they’re planning some new stuff for LPU this year for the first time in a while 🤔

3 hours ago, NJPLP said:

You're also forgetting about Nocturnal, the demo of "Nobody's Listening".

true. That one too.

Also Shortcut, the Fighting Myself demo was used in the Work in Progress DVD at some point. I remember hearing it.

For Lost, I think I like the sound of the 2002 mix better, but the keyboards in the chorus are louder in the 2023 mix, and I absolutely love that chorus sample, whatever it is, probably something Brad did because of the BBB soundbites clips we’ve heard. I think both mixes are pretty split for me in terms of which one I think sounds better. For the song itself, 2002 mix. The 2023 mix is definitely more emotional though.

I do wonder if the Thoughts That Take Away My Pride demo version actually exists. Be interesting to hear. I’m not counting on it though. The final lyrics were better anyways, though hearing early versions of songs is cool too.

Fighting Myself and More The Victim never got mixed back in the day, but I imagine the original rough mixes wouldn’t sound too different than the ones today. Just judging on Lost, which kept its vibe in the new mix.

And Where the hell is Sick, the Don’t Stay demo!? LPU just Maybe..? Only time will tell but honestly after this release I don’t think we need any more Meteora demos. This 20th Anniversary basically uncovered everything we didn’t know before about Meteora.

On 4/7/2023 at 1:25 AM, GlassCastles said:

There's some really great stuff here. There was even enough in the Lost Demos to fill out a Meteora track listing I'd actually listen to front to back lol 

 

And I definitely prefer the 2023 mix of Lost to the 2002 one. 

I prefer the 2002 mix of Lost. It’s not that I think the 2023 mix is bad at all, it’s just that the song was made in 2002 originally so it’s so much more authentic and nostalgic for me. The 2023 mix is still beautiful having a more modern and fresh sound, while keeping that classic LP vibe. It also really highlights Chester’s incredible vocals on that song so much better. But the original mix is just so much more powerful to me for some reason.

The new mix sounds like a mix of Minutes to Midnight, Living Things, and Meteora, which is great but the original mix keeps the original vibe of Meteora, and it’s almost like hearing the album for the first time again with the 2002 mix. That’s why i prefer the OG Lost over the updated mix, but both of them are beautiful.

On 4/8/2023 at 12:13 PM, solidss said:

 

After seeing the clear shot of the board we can finally come to the conclusion that

the Blank spot is "Healing Foot" as it shows they only recorded drums and then scrapped it

Serpent doesn't exist. The whole time it said "Shortcut" which is Fighting Myself.

 

 

The same situation we had with Hearsay/Nursery actually being "Husky". Interesting stuff!

I do hope LP releases the 2002 mix on youtube at some point, so we have it in its original quality. I don’t have the deluxe CD set so Ive only heard the leak, but I am getting it soon. The only real issue is it’s a tad fuzzy in some spots and the synths over the chorus are barely audible, and i’m pretty sure that’s not to do with the mix, but I might be wrong. I’m not really an expert on stuff with ripping CD audio so I could be very wrong, and the it might just be the mix.

3 minutes ago, xcursedgravex said:

That's sort of what I'm wondering, it just sounds like an entirely different vocal that I haven't heard come from Mike before. I'd like to think they're doing it together, because like you pointed out there's definitely a higher harmony, and a lower harmony. My only other "evidence" that Chester is on the chorus is the placing in the track list, could be nothing, but all the Chester tracks are grouped together and then the Mike tracks are grouped.

 

If it is all Mike, then damn, he can sound like Chester in a way I've never knew. I figured Mike could carry the band alone, but this song shows he could do some of the old Chester stuff as well.

Chester and Mike could sing very similarly when singing the less heavy stuff. I think that’s probably why. Massive doesn’t have any heavy, aggressive or high vocals, which is where Chester really stood out the greatest from everyone on planet earth.

21 hours ago, xcursedgravex said:

I didn't go too far back, so apologies, I've only saw one person mention it. Chester is singing the chorus to Massive right? I saw someone had Massive listed as Mike only, but I'm like 99.999% Chester is singing the chorus or they're singing it together.

It’s hard to tell. I think it’s all Mike, but the higher harmonizing vocals in the chorus MIGHT be Chester.