IWillWalkAway

On 11/19/2023 at 2:10 AM, NJPLP said:

I'm really curious on what the working title for "Numb" is (if it has a working title), because we don't know what the working titles are for that song and "Foreword" (which I doubt has a working title, but you never know [it probably kept it's working title, if I had to guess]).

Foreword is just another word meaning “intro”. Actually for several years, I read it as “Forward”. I never actually realized or paid attention to that until a lot later on. I think It was Recorded at Mikes house shortly before mixing the album, when the recording was al(most) done. Just smashing of a shitty CD Player/Burner with a baseball bat on a metal table, and a bang (no idea what that is) and some water sounds. All in 14 seconds

For some reason I had the idea that it was made in like February 2003 before the album came out, I don’t know why or where the hell that idea came from.

On 3/3/2024 at 7:15 AM, yagamilight207 said:

if you have the picture or link to the sales mentioned Meteora is indeed remastered, please put it here so that we can take your word for it.  As above you only mentioned that you heard.

Everything will stay hearsay unless proven otherwise.

 

as Martinez have mentioned, all the tracks for CD1 is repackaged as it is, including the 2002 Mix which was mastered by Andy Wallace at the same time as all the Meteora tracks.

Meteora “digitally remastered”

^

In a web search and you’ll find them.

No not saying they haven’t been mixed again, all songs on CD1 are still 2002 mixes by Andy Wallace. Mastering is by Brian “Big Bass” Gardner.

3 hours ago, yagamilight207 said:

you mean this type of posts?

 

Linkin Park 'Meteora' (20th Anniversary Edition) 3CD Deluxe - NEW & SEALED 93624880974 | eBay

The release I’m referring to yeah, CD version of Meteora 20. But no that one doesn’t say remastered in the description. A handful of sales I’ve seen do though.

What they say specifically “Deluxe three CD edition. Digitally remastered and expanded 20th Anniversary.” A lot of artist rereleases say those same words for remastered albums.

1 hour ago, martinez said:

 

I will say that again but differently: in the M20 3CDs deluxe version, the CD1 with Meteora album and the 2002 mix of Lost wasn't remixed or remastered.

 

Re-mastering is when something was mastered before.

 

All tracks from the "Lost Demos" (including the 2022 mix of Lost) were mastered for the first time in the year of 2022. They were not mastered before. Is that a satisfying answer?

Yes I’m aware of what remastering means. A little mistake on my behalf, I know the Lost demos 2-14 were not mastered before, I just forgot to specify that. My bad
 

There are numerous sales I have now seen of the 3CD stating the album has been digitally remastered on that release. So that answers that.

5 hours ago, martinez said:

 

No, Mike said the 2002 mix was also mastered in the same time when they mixed/mastered the album in 2002/2003. All 14 songs in the deluxe CD were mastered in 2002/2003. The 2022 version with different mix was mastered by the same person as 2002 mix. If not the different mix there will be very hard to tell the differences.

Is it actually said the Deluxe CD holds all the original 2002-2003 mastering?

Because from what I heard the songs were remastered with the release. Everything in Lost Demos was, so if no word on it, the original Meteora album and most else, at least studio tracks on Meteora20 probably were too. I don’t think LP has ever given their stuff “remastered” labels on re-issued remastered songs and things very often get remastered on a re-release.

On 2/28/2024 at 10:16 AM, LPLStaff said:

The original mix of Lost is so strange compared to what the band released last year. Not sure how BIG it would have been on Meteora originally, but it definitely is a strong enough song to be on the original release.

I don’t actually think it’s the mix Andy did but actually rather the mastering in the deluxe CD Lost is the reason it sounds the way it does. Maybe they did it like that on purpose to make it stand out a little more as it is labeled “2002 mix”, or give it a more “demo” feel, or some other reason idk but it’s a possibility the actual mix itself could sound cleaner than the one on the Meteora20 CD. But we’ll never know that for sure, unless ITF they include it on a Meteora re-release again, and it actually sounds a little better.

1 minute ago, linkindan said:

Ok, but 2023?

Have they remastered Friendly Fire from the 2016/17 master?

Probably not

5 minutes ago, bloodbath said:

Seems like somebody leaked the 14th track. Just a demo from the MTM sessions

https://youtu.be/khFFIWg4WCE?si=yXWzmAERlLLvs-YM

Lol I did not forget about this album

2 minutes ago, LPsMart said:

This is great. Sounds better than quite a few OML songs imo - I bet it would have been a standalone single or something in some alternate reality, where Chester didn't lose his battle.

What a way to put it. Some emotional shit fr Makes me remember that I miss the guy a lot, wishing he was still here to make albums man.

He was a legend, though and we’ve still got all this awesome stuff in the vault which is awesome, like getting brand new songs every time. Hearing Lost felt sort of like a brand new Linkin Park song because they gave it a modern touch, which was a really smart choice on that release and not just throwing the old track itself to the public. It makes me happy knowing we’re getting and will continue to get releases from the band to put out that unheard stuff that’s great.

Friendly Fire sounds great. Sounds perfectly like an OML album track. I’m excited to hear this one. Felt that feeling all over again seeing that instagram post, of when Lost first got announced last year lol

1 hour ago, LPLStaff said:

Healing Foot as far as we know had no final drums by Rob (unless they just didn't release it on Meteora 20) - why is it not even on the song board at NRG?

Rob said they had initially 18 songs entering NRG and recording drums on, so it was probably A.06, Healing Foot and one other, I’d guess Massive, maybe even Soundtrack or something was in there if A.06 didn’t count as a song then, were the 3 that got taken out very early on (likely about just after or during recording drums) while the band was narrowing down, then to the decision of working on 15 full songs. Likely that particular red song board was first made when the band decided on 15.

Previously it was thought the blank space with only drums marked was HF, but no it’s probably Numb. No working title known, it probably didn’t even have one, and they said it came together quickly and effortlessly so they might just not have bothered to track the progress after finishing drums because of how fluently it came together afterward. Now I don’t know if it’s been revealed what the song on the blank space was, so if it has let me know

1 hour ago, lpliveusername said:

I disagree with this. There is a downside: this is a greatest hits / singles collection and the new mix was a single, the old mix wasn't. People listening to the song for the first time would have a different perception of it and people who are already familiar with the song would complain that it doesn't sound right.

Yea, I forgot to specify this but obviously they would of course have to publicly specify that it is exclusively the original mix of the song, not just slap the 2002 mix on the collection and call it a day.

My idea was I think because it’s their newest successful single, and Meteora 20 just happened, using the other version of it now, more publicly would be a cool addition and also for the sake of matching the other tracks that it sits in the same boat as historically, and this time to present how the song originally was back in the day, and also mix in a bit more of the classic early 2000’s vibes into the collection. The mixes of a lot of these songs are older anyways, so it wouldn’t be far off for anyone to care I don’t think.

Also I don’t think anyone who doesn’t know about the old mix would think “ew, this doesn’t sound right, I hate linkin park now”. They might realize it sounds a bit different, but in reality most people immersed in the collection probably wouldn’t care or even acknowledge it, and still be vibing with the song. Saying it doesn’t sound right is like saying the old mix sounds poor quality. No. This is a collection of songs dating back to 2000 up to 2017. Andy’s mix is as finished of a mix as Manny’s. Both are finished mixes of the same 3 minute 20 second length song, that might be different sonically but retaining identical structure. And most listeners would not be that harshly critical of the mix, just saying.

Really, I thought it’d be a cool addition for the close OG fans of the band, because it was my wrongful assumption the long time fans who knew the 2002 mix loved it, but I kinda learned today that’s not really true. It was just a personal idea…  I thought it was cool, but I know it’s not needed, but it would be a cool touch also just to give credit where credit is (somewhat) due to the original version.

11 minutes ago, kiq fLP said:

Sorry for my music ignorance, but in the Jeff Blue book transcription, the "different" songs mentioned that drums were recorded were "And One", "Slip" and "Pictureboard". Due to those been in other level of development (live drums), wouldn't be those songs the discarded ones from HT?

No, not necessarily. I don’t think PB would’ve made it that far either. Also keep in mind High Voltage has been confirmed for a while now to be one so that means there’s only two other ones not three, i think.

On 2/17/2024 at 7:08 PM, martinez said:

If not Lost 2022 mix, this song would not be that popular, if they would go with 2002 mix.

I agree on that they needed to do a little touch up. The original mix though, is the same song at the end of the day, but it’s very different sonically from the newer mix, so since they have 2 mixes on the table, some variety is always nice, especially if this is like a historical collection of hit songs from their discography. All i’m saying is it would be cool if they used that version on this upcoming release, only upsides i see and no downsides to it this time around

On 2/17/2024 at 7:20 PM, AceWav said:

Interesting...i was only guessing, but that's good to know. I can tell I am not the only one who agrees Andy made some questionable mixing decisions on Lost. Because i'm also listening from my home studio speakers and also headphones and the main thing that stuck out to me is that muddy boomy 808 beneath the bass guitar in the chorus, where those frequencies def clash in a not so clean way. Plus, Chester's vocals sometimes sounding a bit buried, but the guitars never bothered me, actually that's why it sounds like Meteora so it never stuck out as too loud to me personally. I grew up with Meteora as well, so we def understand what a 2000's LP era mix sounds like, but in my opinion, this one could have been better by Andy. Maybe he mixed this one last and as a engineer myself, I understand at some point ears get tired and fatigued, but if there's a deadline, we have to keep going. In the new mix, that 808 is still there but it's cleaned up and tucked in with low volume so it doesn't mess with the other low-end frequencies so we can tell it was addressed by Manny. 

I know That 808 you’re talking about and I agree. It’s a drum machine sound and it does sound like a bit of a car wreck, in combo with the guitar and bass but it’s meant to, to give a certain heaviness in the context of the song’s structure, that isn’t really acceptable by today’s mixing standards, but would be in 2003. The volume of that track is turned down in the newer mix.

You know what’s interesting is that Mike said, it wasn’t so much about Andy as it was the sounds they gave him to work with to work with. so the band was in the year 2002 where mixing standards are different, but also the song was being mixed for the first time. So I believe at least most songs that have been revisited and mixed again for a second time, the original version would start to show its flaws, especially if it’s a mix that’s 20 years older.

18 minutes ago, leftshoe18 said:

I always assumed And One made it further into the HT sessions because of the existence of the different version they played live. I wouldn't be shocked if the three songs that didn't make the cut are that version of And One, the new version of High Voltage, and a version of Step Up since it was also played live during the HT era.

The most likely case is it’s probably literally those 3, which is what I had originally been thinking. Step Up and And One versions that are the farthest along they got would be actually dope to hear.

55 minutes ago, EnhanX said:

Yep, I'm also not 100% sure they have access to the files from sessions, however, vocal tracks for TTTAMP version were fully completed before it was changed to Lost. It can be seen in "WIP" DVD when Don was working with tracks and the highest one - vocals - was fully recorded

They were definitely recorded. Chester Vox on Resolution (Lost) had one slash over it, which means recordings were partially done. Two slashes (X) was for fully finished and decided tracks. So it was in partially completed form at that time, but not settled on, and still receiving rewrites though so not necessarily meaning they saved the vocal recordings that were taken out and replaced from the songs.

50 minutes ago, PartOfMe said:

Would it be crazy to think they could release "And One 2000 Demo"? I mean, this song has been long overdue for a release, and Jeff Blue has confirmed its existence 

Well if that really does exists, that’s the 2nd of 3 cut tracks from the HT NRG session. Did not know And One made it to that, honestly but I could’ve guess it would be one.

16 minutes ago, EnhanX said:

Guys, wait. When I mentioned the initial version of Lost I was talking about the "Thoughts That Take Away My Pride version" 

Interesting. I mean if theres a rough version saved of that even, it might not though sadly. Don’t think they would put a demo of a song in this release, also.

correcting myself from earlier, MOST of us hardcore fans love the Andy Wallace mix, but I guess not all of us. I grew up with early 2000s music so maybe that’s why

9 minutes ago, JZLP-NaughtyNottingham said:

 

There's a big gap between Meteora and Lost for sure for M20 they tried to keep every song as close as the original but in sure that Mike and Brad don't really like how Lost 2002 mix sounds.

 

They praised what Manny did w Lost.

Meteora sounds really good, probably Numb would sound better if Andy does something with it.

 

I kinda dislike the extremely loud guitars on a pop song.

Couldn’t disagree more. But I respect your opinion. We all have different taste after all

1 hour ago, AceWav said:

I agree, i mean it's not terrible, but i believe he only got to a point in the mix and didn't finish it. That's what it sounds like because the rest of Meteora sounds amazing. It's like they decided to cut the track mid mix down because they started to really hear the album come together sonically and at this point they needed to cut some tracks. 

again, and I’ve said this before to someone who said the same thing, no he never abandoned Lost’s mix. It made it to sequencing which came after all the songs were fully mixed and mastered so It was fully finished and ready to be put on the album. Mike called the song “a done deal”. Brad said they took it out of the album because they didn’t know where it would go on the tracklist.

I think that issue is because it’s only the CD rip that’s online, which doesn’t deliver the fullness of the song through a lot of modern speakers, aside from stereo systems. Ive listened to the 2002 mix in my home studio and it sounds way better than it does through a laptop speaker and even airpods

I could be wrong and stupid though, and misinformed about how things work. But I think CD quality has its limitations in today’s modern CD-less world.

42 minutes ago, JZLP-NaughtyNottingham said:

All?

 

Andy's mix suck man, the guitars are insanely loud, the vocals are a little bit drowned, the synths are very low, the bass sounds muddy.

nahhh, that’s wild. Literally it’s the album mix of the song. That’s like saying all the Meteora tracks suck.

3 hours ago, EnhanX said:

Don't forget about the initial version of Lost. It would be ok to release it as the "bonus track" after one year.

Yeah that’s what i said earlier, we all love the Andy Wallace mix. I mean if they are including Lost, having that version on there would be awesome and get it on streaming and stuff. But idk if that’d seem unnecessary, or interfere with it being exclusive to the CD version of Meteora 20 that’s still available

1 hour ago, AceWav said:

I've always wondered this! I was never sure if we ever heard all the 1999-2000's era Hybrid Theory tracks. 

For the album’s full extra songs, Meteora had Lost, and then (the 90% completed) Fighting Myself and More the Victim, but we don’t know what the ones Hybrid Theory had other than High Voltage, whether they were completed or only partially completed we don’t know but now that I think of it, that could be why they aren’t released if they were less finished than FM and MTV, like if they were only 60 or 70% there or less.

7 hours ago, DBSFan101 said:

I bet even if they do a OML box set that they won’t put What Are You Worth on it. Just can’t see Mike wanting to but you never know. 

Probably right about that. If it could get sorted out somehow, it might happen. But no hopes, and certainly not any time soon most definitely.

7 hours ago, DBSFan101 said:

What’s that 22 songs? I think it would all fit on one disc. If you could add one more and still fit I’d throw on maybe 1 more unreleased songs from the vaults that we don’t know of. 
 

 

A completed song from the final Hybrid Theory sessions would be cool. I know we have a lot of the bands first 1997 thru 1999 demos but i’m talking about 2000, recording at NRG. Thought I read Jeff Blue said there were 14 recorded with 11 + Cure for the itch making the album? High Voltage was one unreleased, the other two though..? idk. I was thinking maybe Carousel and And One but if the other ones are known, or there aren’t any others, or we don’t know, again not sure much of that.

Maaan i’d love to hear Friendly Fire. Another unreleased track is always so exciting.

Id love to see What Are You Worth on here too. That song is kind of a banger

Somewhat odd that they’re including Lost in this, but ok, I mean it is a big single. Imagine if the version included is the Andy Wallace mix as a little wink for the super close close fans. That’d be the coolest lol, but I know that’s likely unrealistic, plus the label probably wants to keep that a CD exclusive right now anyways.

I just kinda really had a realization going through this thread again that i actually predicted A LOT about Lost without realizing it. I predicted it probably didn’t have the thoughts that take away my pride line in a more finished version, I think I might’ve even said somewhere back in like 2020/21 or so that it could’ve been a full track that got mixed by Andy. That’s really crazy man, I guess it was some lucky guesses honestly, cause I literally knew just as much as everyone else lol.

On 11/28/2020 at 8:07 PM, IWillWalkAway said:

Well I think the song probably made it to the mixing session in NYC because it sounds really well mixed just like the other Meteora tracks in all those LPTV videos. But they cut it probably sometime right after for a reason we don’t know.

yea holy shit here it is. crazy.

I think they only used tracks they had in a finished form behind those older videos, so that’s what gave it away for me that it was a finished mixed and mastered deal

Funny looking back on when we literally knew nothing about the demo in the making of meteora, trying to come up with what it could be by finding more sources of it that existed at the time, and that whole time it was a song wrapped up and ready to be on the album still sitting on a shelf