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18 hours ago, jopevc said:

Yeah I think you´re right actually. Maybe he just doesn´t really remember the demo as you´ve said it (I think it was you XD), they have done HUNDREDES apon HUNDREDS of demos ( just on minutes to midnight they were more than 100 demos!), it would be extraordinary if they remember every demo from every era (and humanly impossible I think)

I think it’s almost confirmed now that the title of the song isn’t anything like Thoughts That Take Away My Pride because Mike said he doesn’t remember those lyrics. It’s something different maybe a different lyric or It’s got a title that’s not in the lyrics (ex: Faint, Figure.09) just a random title that has nothing to do with the lyrics.

Those lyrics that we’ve seen for the song may also have been an earlier version of the lyrics and not the final ones. That may also be why he doesn’t remember it.

5 hours ago, jopevc said:

Or maybe he likes to "play" with us, like " I know that they like that demo a lot so I´m not going to talk about it to keep the them hyped up and then release it". Maybe its this because the mistery around demos is what sometimes keeps the fans interested in them, but its just my opinion

That’s also possible. He didn’t share much about Pictureboard at all until the actual release of it. He just kinda said “oh it’s nothing that great guys”. He might not want to go into depth about certain songs that fans really want released because he doesn’t want to spoil too much about the song. I still hope we get some information about the track though because we literally have no info about it.

He also said that chances are it’s likely a demo of a track that made it to the album but I really don’t think it is. It’s kind of similar to numb in the beat but hearing it you can definitely tell that it doesn’t sound like any of the other tracks at all. It sounds like it had a lot of electronic sounds used especially in the verse part (can be heard in LPUTV - Mike’s Shirt) which may be why it was cut. I know that they didn’t want to drag too far away from the Hybrid Theory sound and that’s what that song may have been doing.

But anyways yeah he might not be sharing anything because he doesn’t wanna spoil anything or something because I know I definitely could see it being released at some point as it has been a mystery and a holy grail for literally like ever since Meteora.

9 minutes ago, Robrobbsen said:

The verse sections sound really good, the chorus not so because its missing guitar and real drums but if you wan´t i can try to record some for the song. I´m not as good and acurate as Astat but I did try to build some profiles for the kemper and they sound pretty close. 

 

Also yeah its not that i don´t believe that Mike genuinely doesn´t know that particular song after all those years but I´m sure he has been asked about this demo more than a few times and in the one linked someone even gave him a timestamp and he just does not seem to really care at all or like i said he plays it safe. 

Could you by chance link me the stream where he talks about the piano song? That was always one of my favourite Meteora demos!

Thanks the verse part is my favorite! The guitar isn’t the best I agree. The drums are ok but not great.

Also I think that was the first time Mike has said anything to the public about Thoughts That Take Away My Pride. Surprisingly, it has never been talked about. It hasn’t been asked about much either only very few times in the old linkin park chats from the mid-2000s and later. 
 

Also I cannot find the stream link or the clip of him talking about it at the moment but I’ll comment it with a link when I do. Basically he said he remembered it but didn’t remember the title, and said that it goes into a heavier part after the clip played.

2 hours ago, Robrobbsen said:

To be honest i kind of get the vibe that mike just don´t want to talk about stuff like that. He is always really vague and i´m pretty sure he know that the more info he gives out the more people will pry for a release or something. I think that why he is "ignoring" the timestamps and just goes "yeah i don´t know about that song really, guys we did a lot of soungs that went nowhere" because he cant releaes what he doesnt know.

That could be but it is possible that he genuinely doesn’t know. You have to remember how many songs Linkin park has wrote. And since “Thoughts That Take Away My Pride” isn’t the most memorable he very well probably won’t remember it until hearing it. Once he hears it though he’ll probably say “Oh that’s that song!” We showed him that one Meteora demo once (the beautiful piano one that soaring man made a cover to) and he remembered it. We just gotta show him and he’ll probably remember it.

I also made my own custom demo/cover of the song. I had to redo it once and it took pretty long. It’s not fantastic but it’s ok:

On 5/6/2021 at 8:33 PM, NJPLP said:

If there's someone who follows Mike on Twitch, can you please ask Mike something along the lines of "Do you remember the song "Thoughts That Take Away My Pride" and, if so, do you know what the real name of the song is?" Also show him this clip.

 

Also, does anyone know the way the song plays out? Like does it go verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus? Or some other way?

Thank you! I don't use Twitch so if someone could do that it would be great! Hopefully we can get to know a little more about the song that way.

6 hours ago, NJPLP said:

Oh yeah, by the way, that was me who put those lyrics up on Genius. I only put the lyrics I could interpret/see from the lyric sheet of the song. That's why it's not complete. We need to know if there are more lyrics to the song. Or we could ask Mike to see if he, somehow, remembers the name of the song, the lyrics, and see if he has the lyric sheet to the song.

Thanks for putting that up! I only knew the chorus part of the song now I know at least some of the verse. Also, Mike probably doesn't know right now what "Thoughts That Take Away My Pride" is right now as lpliveusername said. But I'm sure if could we show him the clip he'd remember it and possibly even the title. I think it would be awesome to have this song released on Meteora20 if that happens.

1 minute ago, Justin said:

Sometimes I wonder if Mike is being genuine when he says things like "I don't even know what that demo even is. I don't remember it at all." or if he just wants to find an easy way to avoid giving an actual answer lol.

 

We know Mike keeps his finger on the pulse of the LP fanbase, visits here, etc. He knew about PB hype. Does he really have no idea what Thoughts That Take Away My Pride is?

I think he probably does know what it is. Mike didn’t talk about Pictureboard much at all until the 20th anniversary of HT and Thoughts That Take Away My Pride isn’t really as memorable as PB. It’s kind of like the Pictureboard of Meteora except the opposite. Mike talked about Pictureboard and we never heard it until HT20. We’ve heard Thoughts That Take Away My Pride in small segments but no one in the band has ever Talked about it. I don’t think Mike has ever actually been asked about it which is why it hasn’t been talked about.

So someone put the lyrics on genius apparently: https://genius.com/Linkin-park-thoughts-that-take-away-my-pride-unreleased-meteora-demo-lyrics

On 4/20/2021 at 4:01 PM, Robrobbsen said:

Wasn´t it just Thoughts? I can´t find the lyric sheet now but i recall it was something simple

Someone said in a thread somewhere that there was a lyric sheet shown and the song is titled “Pride” but I’ve seen the lyric sheet and the title can’t be seen only the chorus lyrics so I think they just made that up. It is possible that it might be “Thoughts” or “Pride” (although I don’t think it is) but it’s also possible the title we may have known all along. Like it might be Shifter or something. Also apparently the Nocturnal demo was leaked a while ago but it seems like that isn’t actually Linkin Park so it could be Nocturnal. Right now “Thoughts” is the only legit studio demo/possibly even a full song from the meteora recording session at NRG that we know exists.

4 minutes ago, jopevc said:

One of the three*, the band recorded 15 songs for the album (as you said). The album has 13 songs but Foreword doesn´t count because its a small instrumental and it has added to the album when it was pretty much done.

I also think the song will be released at some point, probably at the 20th aniversary of Meteora. But until then I would like to get some information about the song, we almost know nothing about it! We could see if anyone that follows Mike´s livestreams could ask

Yes one of a few I mean. It could be 2 or 3 or 4 it could even be just that one. Around 15 were recorded. But I’m pretty certain it will be released at the 20th anniversary of Meteora like how Pictureboard was released at HT 20

54 minutes ago, jopevc said:

Hi, I know I'm kinda late but I just wanted to know if there´s any updates or new informations about this demo. Or even if anyone asked Mike about this demo in one of his livestreams

Unfortunately no information has come up about the track yet. I’m still hopeful that at some point we will know more about it. I really wanna know the reason it was cut. We’re the lyrics bad? Did the producer not like it? It couldn’t be the instrumental because firstly it made it all the way to vocals, the last step in recording Meteora. And it’s also just a really cool instrumental. I think the reason why nobody has asked about it yet is because it just isn’t quite as memorable as a lot of other unreleased songs. I think it should be though because we know that about 15 tracks were recorded for Meteora. This track is definitely one of the two that didn’t make it. I’m 99% sure it will be released at SOME POINT, but for now all we can do is wait. (Also I would ask Mike about it myself during one of his streams, but I do not have Twitch)

Sorry about that guys. I didn’t know I was double and triple posting 😬 Just so I don’t double post again I’m gonna just say more here.

Ok so I think it’s interesting that this track isn’t in a minor key unlike most every song on Meteora. At least to me it’s sounds like it’s in C major. Just thought I’d say that because I think every song on Meteora is in a minor key correct me if I’m wrong.

10 minutes ago, Disastrous-Tooth-346 said:

For some reason I don’t think it’s Pride. I have always wanted to at least know it’s official title. It’s probably something really random that has nothing to do with the lyrics of the song unless they cut it from Meteora and it was fully ready for the album which I don’t think it was. 

Well I think the song probably made it to the mixing session in NYC because it sounds really well mixed just like the other Meteora tracks in all those LPTV videos. But they cut it probably sometime right after for a reason we don’t know.

20 hours ago, Disastrous-Tooth-346 said:

Truly epic find. We finally know more about the song. We need to get it released on Meteora 20 in 2023. It has always been my Holy Grail personally, way more than Pictureboard. Same for Grecian which I know they stopped working on once they wrote QWERTY for Summer Sonic. But it has to exist in whatever form they left it at, and the clip shown on the MTM DVD was awesome with those crazy Chester screams. 

Yeah it’s funny. I was scrolling through LPTV videos and I had never seen “Mikes Shirt” So I watched it and said to myself “something about this background music seems really familiar. And it clicked right there. I went back to hear the Clip from the Summer Sanitarium video and right after the heavy part was the exact same song. I never thought the song was played during multiple LPTVs but I think it’s strong evidence that the band did like the track. I think it just had issues with the lyrics maybe they didn’t think they were good enough, as I’ve said before, They talked about this in the Making of Meteora how they kept rewriting lyrics. I think like Somewhere I Belong, they finished it a few times, rewriting it, but then I guess decided just to put the song aside and focus on the other tracks.

I certainly do hope the song gets released. It is on nearly everybody’s wishlist and been a mystery known to fans 2 years longer than even Pictureboard. It’s my top pick out of all if I could pick one known unreleased song it certainly would be “Pride” as some fans have named it. I really would first like to know the real title. I came up with a few titles that I thought might fit the lyric sheet we saw:

“Trapped”

“Return to Me”

“Trapped in Places”

”Return”

that’s all I came up with.

I also wanna say that I don’t have twitch so if anyone could like ask him during a stream about the song that would be awesome! 

1 hour ago, hybrider said:

OMG you have right. It's Thoughts That Take Away My Pride. So now we have 3 videos in which was used this song.

Sorry I’m on my phone it’s hard to type

But yeah we have 4 sources,

Making of Meteora at 24:31, and LPTV Episode 5 (The Vocals) at 1:37 (Same clip)

LPTV Summer Sanitarium (Full) at 2:12

LPUTV Mike’s Shirt

LPTV Episode 4 (The Studio 2) at 7:34 (playing through the studio speakers)

Also if you’re familiar with this video at the part where Chester sings “The only way you can talk to me!” You can hear a measure of the same exact song playing on repeat right after he sings. It’s gotta be the same song as Thoughts that take away my pride: 

So I guess the song does play several times during Lptv but because nobody knew the full song at all, no one recognized it I guess. I’ll keep looking for more videos and lptvs where the song might be secretly playing in the background.

(edit): we got the song and its story now. Was the closest one to making it onto the album. Crazy.

3 hours ago, RYG4R said:

How about "CUIDADO"? do you think it's a demo as well? or a song being cut from the final tracklisting? Meteora has so many mysteries to uncover.

It’s possible. That was probably an earlier demo though if it was a track. Mike talks about early scribbled lyrics on the art wall that didn’t make the cut in the Art of Meteora short documentary. I don’t think Cuidado is the same track as Thoughts that take away my pride but you never know.

On 11/13/2020 at 10:48 PM, Justin said:

Great find. The lack of true B-sides and unreleased material from the Meteora era would make me way more excited for a Meteora anniversary release than I was even for HT.

Yea I think we will get a big set for Meteora too. It was such a huge album.

On 11/12/2020 at 2:25 AM, daroker510 said:

We must find that Summer Sanitarium episode in higher quality and rip the audio and seperate the backround noise in a separate track !

I think the audio in the video released on YouTube by Rublesdfdf is the highest quality. You can find the better version on dailymotion but the Audio is the same. The song is playing quite quietly in the background so even if it was isolated it would still be hard to hear.

I also think this song is not a demo. It was recorded in the studio with all the other album tracks as we saw in Making of meteora. I believe it’s a full complete song, but as we heard Brad say in the making of meteora video “Sometimes Mike or Chester can write a chorus that’s a really great chorus, but it’s not the greatest chorus. I think that might have been the issue with the track was that it was good, but it wasn’t the greatest and it made it very far in the recording process but was cut from the album. Since around 15 songs were recorded for Meteora, only 12 songs made it (Foreword makes it 13 but come on, it’s a 13 second intro not a song). So about 3 songs were unused for the album. “Thoughts that take away my pride” is very clearly one. A.06 is likely another one and possibly got its name changed. (A.06 was likely a working title). And the third is just unknown, possibly that song we saw rob recording drums on in the making of meteora.

4 hours ago, hahninator said:

Wow you're right, actually. That's one hell of a find. Maybe the song is quieter in the verses than we would have originally guessed.

Yeah I mean the verse of hit the floor is similarly quiet with only like 3 or 4 sounds and the drums

It’ll probably be important to edit under the LinkinPedia site in the Unreleased Songs under Thoughts That Take Away Away My Pride that the instrumental was used in Mikes Shirt LPUTV

1 minute ago, hybrider said:

That beat is similar to Numb. After listening both videos you posted, I believe that "beat" from Mikes Shirt is a verse from Thoughts That Take Away My Pride but maybe it is just a different version of it that was made as beat without chorus and bridge and in Summer Sanitarium we can hear a full version with chorus and short verse. I think you have right. I have never heard this "beat" before.

Yeah that’s what I thought. I think it’s the verse after the chorus intro (Short heavy part) thing we hear in summer sanitarium episode (2:20). It’s hard to tell whether the key of the song is D Minor or A Minor

@hahninator listen closely in the summer sanitarium lptv after the heavy guitar stops. You can faintly hear some of the same notes as well as the exact same beat. I think it’s It’s 100% the same song

9 hours ago, hahninator said:

They don't sound like the same song to me. It's a full band deal on the Summer Sanitarium video, and this is just a simple beat with Joe scratching over it on the LPUTV video. It doesn't seem like the same thing at all.

7 hours ago, Robrobbsen said:

The hi hats rhythm does sound pretty similar i think but that does not necessarily mean its the same song. Just like with So far away and Soundtrack(i think) where they used the drum beat from an older demo. 

It’s not just the hi hats and rhythms that sound identical. It’s the notes you can faintly hear in the summer sanitarium video are the same as in the LPUTV. Try wearing headsets You might be able to hear what I’m hearing.

15 hours ago, JZLP-AmendsUltimateFan said:

 

you are the most polite member ever.

 

also i cant hear anything about the demo.

Thank you Listen closely after the heavy guitar Stops in the Summer Sanitarium vid around 2:30 ish you can faintly hear the same octave guitar riff That you hear right at the start of the LPUTV Then the synthesizers in the Summer Sanitarium lptv are identical to the LPUTV and you can also faintly hear the exact same notes that you hear in the LPUTV. Let me know if you can kinda hear it now.

Either way though, Thoughts that Take Away My Pride or not, it’s definitely a track from the Meteora era (2002). It has that Meteora sound to it the low beeper track sounds like Meteora the “ding ding” track sounds like Meteora and the scratching sounds just like the scratching on Meteora. Also in the LPUTV it seems like at 0:32 heavy guitar and drums are about to kick in but the verse part gets put on a loop. So it’s probably the same track because it is the same tempo, same beat, and I mentioned in another comment you can faintly hear the same notes in the summer Sanitarium after the heavy guitar stops. I could be wrong though I just really think it’s the same song. But I really just hope they release it’s one of my personal biggest “holy grail“ as well as many fans’

Thoughts That Take Away My Pride is hiding in another LPTV. I can tell it’s the instrumental because it’s the same exact song in the Summer Sanitarium LPTV at around 2:12 - 2:41. So more proof that this song probably was very close to making it on meteora as we now know it was used at least twice during LPTV. If you find this beat in any other LPUTV let me know because I am almost positive that this is Thoughts That Take Away My Pride. The clip used here is probably right after what we heard in the Summer Sanitarium episode because after the heavy part you hear the same drum beat, and if you put on headphones you can faintly hear the EXACT same notes. Heres both (LANGUAGE WARNING):