IWillWalkAway

6 hours ago, Trumtram said:

Oh, my bad, sorry! Thanks for clarifying.

 

But I don't get it, still :D.

Session and Numb share a lot of Joe’s effects samples. I was saying those similarities make it clear it was probably always intended to be with Session before the album was put together/sequenced, during the process.

8 hours ago, Trumtram said:

If you mean "Numb" and ITE: No, not really?

 

Sure, like pretty much every LP song back then they have drums, guitars, bass and some electronical elements but both songs differ more than they are similar. Aside from the big power chord driven chorus almost every other element is different.

 

No one compared these two songs with one another back then or put them in direct relation and it's easy to hear why.

No, no. I forgot to clarify. I was talking about Session and Numb.

28 minutes ago, Justin said:

Did we ever find out who “Randy” is from Collision Course?

 

As in “You’re wasting your talent, Randy!” from the beginning of Big Pimpin’ / Papercut.

Nope. It’s clearly meant to be an inside joke lol. I always thought it was just at someone in the studio named Randy. It’s the same as when Chester said “I ordered a frappuccino where’s my fucking frappuccino?” on the other song. Out of context intro, just even less context this time.

On 4/8/2024 at 3:08 PM, LPsMart said:

In the end

Well I actually wonder what if Numb’s working title was “Untitled II”. Like Figure.09 and Plaster II. Lol, FAR more likely that it being “Session”. It doesn’t make sense to the red song board’s status or anything going by what we know about that album process at all.
 

Other than that, the two tracks share a lot of instrumentation.

I really think Numb was just created to be a track that Session could properly open for, and it turned into an amazing song, very quickly.

Cool little thing I stumbled across today, so this vinyl was used by Joe for Meteora songs live back in the day.

Side B along with Numb and Session, there are 2 samples that are specific to Lost.

24:12  (The other two are Numb's, but the vocal "AH" sample belongs to Lost's verse.)

25:26  (This is on both Numb and Lost I think but this version is from the first half of Lost's bridge, with Joe doing cool in and out effects with it.)

Time stamps are 24:12, and 25:28 (NOISE WARNING)

They typically got all of the samples and sounds that Joe does his scratching on for live shows ready on the vinyl during mixing which we know Lost did make it through for Meteora. Interesting to find this again now, I forgot about it.

8 hours ago, LPLStaff said:

The attention to detail isn't there from Warner because they aren't hardcore LP fans and aren't looking at 0.5 second, 1 second, 2 second differences or vocal effects, or *whatever* (synths, drum beats) in the song versions... only people like us will catch that. It just is confusing how they don't have it simply labeled as "Minutes to Midnight (24 bit masters)" and then there are the 14 or whatever files. How do you find something like "Waiting for the End (Different CB Acapella Vocal Treatment)" or whatever? lol. The HT20 shortened songs error made it all the way through the entire process, along with DVDs that were misprinted/mislabeled, without anyone catching it until the public had it in their hands. 

This is true. And it’s also mostly they kind of put together the package without really paying attention to certain things that matter within any album. With the transitions issue, still this collection is an album on streaming. It will be played start to finish and should connect the songs together well and they just didn’t treat it that way.

20 hours ago, Coizu said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Warner_Records_compilation_albums

 

It's not like the 5 guys from the band do this stuff on their own and I don't think anyone complaining about this (and the HT20 situation back then) are specifically mad at Mike, Rob, Brad, Joe and Dave.

They have one of the biggest labels behind them that should have more than enough resources and experience to get this kind of stuff right.

Not my point. Im well aware of Warner. I meant the label too. They can still fuck up and they do. They without a doubt have enough resources, but still somehow miss really important details like this. Believe it or not even the major labels still have a lot to learn or even re-learn to get things right sometimes! Same things happen with companies, even congress, any group of people working in major fields. People individually or with 300 others, can and do make stupid mistakes. A label isn’t a run by a label, it’s run by people.
 

Again, im not defending the label or their actions. I think they should’ve done better and yeah it’s a little disappointing.

14 hours ago, bloodbath said:

Like HT20, no quality control whatsoever 

To be fair like HT20 was a first for the band, but look at the second time they did it with Meteora20, that was a quality step up. This is a first too, being the first time they’re doing an inter-album collection like this. Not saying it is an excuse to any fuck ups though, at all. If they genuinely made mistakes, they’ll learn to improve from them and not do it again. Believe it or not even the most sophisticated professionals still can mess shit up in their most skilled areas.

I wonder why no actual lengths of the songs have been listed in the tracklisting, do they usually wait to the release to put the lengths? I can’t remember if they waited with Meteora20. (I know we had the leaks though) Maybe it’s just they don’t need to cause everyone knows the songs and the lengths already, though. Still kind of odd not to include it in the info section.

3 hours ago, lpliveusername said:

Instrumental versions of every album are out there. Even full multitracks for a lot of album songs. You don't need to use AI to get them and you don't need to wait for an official release. Unless you're talking about demos and b-sides. If that's the case, it would be unrealistic expecting the band to release instrumentals and acapellas for those. Friendly Fire got them because it's a single.

The only thing confusing about that is not getting them for Lost, a single.  Maybe it’s because it was on a “demo” CD idrk. Maybe we’ll still get them one day though.

2 hours ago, Astat said:

 

Didn't have "LPLive community devolves to the point of complaining about getting official instrumentals/acapellas" on my 2024 bingo card, but here we are I guess.

I wouldn’t say we’re devolving, we’re really just sharing what we think about the release. I wouldn’t complain personally but I’d like it if more songs had these, so we don’t have to rip the tracks with flawed AI that we pay for.
 

Not a fan of OML as much as other things LP did. Now an official Acapella/instrumental of Lost would’ve had me jumping in my boots. But I’m happy and glad they’re still putting out stuff whatever it is I’m definitely willing to listen to it. I’ve still got my personal opinion that Meteora is a better album than OML. So I’m just not super stoked about a Friendly Fire instrumental and acapella. Doesn’t mean I’m not grateful for everything LP has given to us throughout all these years. And also, obviously but of course, being a fan doesn’t mean you have to love everything a band has ever created.

33 minutes ago, bloodbath said:

No disrespect but, aren't you overthinking this a little bit?

Nah

10 hours ago, BeardyWilderness said:

Numb was started and finished so quick it probably never had a working title 

There’s always a working name given to any track the band starts a session on. Even further, In the Hybrid Theory and Meteora days, the band always created a track before recording vocals. It definitely has something a working title even though it came together quick. It just doesn’t probably doesn’t have a demo.

Since there’s no real (different at all from the final) demo for Numb probably, knowing the working title for Numb would be really just for the sake of knowing and also to put it up there on Linkinpedia of course. 

1 hour ago, Somebodyangry said:

It could even be the case, but to be honest I imagine the Numb demo being very similar to the final one, since they recorded the song very late in the album process, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Numb demo is just Numb with slightly different lyrics 

We’ve not confirmed how early the full lyrics came together, even though it was a quick process. It might be that they had the full lyrics conceived before even entering the studio, but it’s probably more likely it took a very tiny piece of the writing at NRG.

It’s also possible Numb’s demo wasn’t even full length like the other demos, and just a short idea, with the track’s actual first version being conceived at NRG. It was written a week before going into the studio, so they had something of a demo or idea before beginning recording the album still.

16 minutes ago, leftshoe18 said:

I am fairly confident that naming Pushing Me Away "The Cure For Mr. Hahn's Itch" was a misprint on the label. 

You're likely right but it probably got accidentally swapped with "THE CURE", a shortened version which would've made more sense to be a working title for PMA. "Harmonic Song" might've been an earlier title for it. Jeff Blue, if im correct, said a working title for PMA, which might mean something there.

This was someone's reddit "theory" actually so not mine originally but I find it very interesting. Here's the original post if you want to see it:

Basically, if you remember, later albums have this pattern where the closer song holds the working title of the album's instrumental.

(Example:

on LIVING THINGS the working title of Powerless is TINFOIL (The two are relatives however)

on The Hunting Party Working title of Final Masquerade is DRAWBAR)

But even also on Hybrid Theory, Pushing Me Away holds the name "CURE FOR MR HAHNS ITCH" in the Studio Finals CD, which we all know what track title that sounds like.

On 3/12/2024 at 10:40 AM, Rasputin 93 said:

Interesting. This exact wording gets used on many other retailers, so I'd assume it's whatever was sent to them by Warner, yet neither Warner nor LP did promote it with such.

Probably. Ive seen a lot of other albums use that wording too. Maybe its a thing a certain company uses. I’d assume it’s the wording for some alternate official selling source of it, not sure which one. Though Warner is the main official one. I don’t know how any of that works though really, not an expert on that.

21 hours ago, martinez said:

Here are official lyrics of FF, taken from the music video version with subtitles which was released by Warner on March 5. There are some mistakes on Linkinpedia that needs to be corrected.

 

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Tell me the words I've forgotten
What we were fighting for
Starig right into the darkness
Through an empty open door

Can't put back what's been broken
Can't change the moment
We went too far

We're pullin' apart for no reason
We're pullin' a trigger in a useless war
And if we come back and go into the black (black)
What are we fighting for?
What are we fighting for?

I was supposed to protect you
No matter what's to come
But somehow forgot when they told me
"We hurt the ones we love"

Can't put back what's been broken
Can't change the moment
We went too far
 
We're pullin' apart for no reason
We're pullin' a trigger in a useless war
And if we come back and go into the black
What are we fighting for?
What are we fighting
 
It's just friendly fire, fire
Fire, fire
 
We're strangers in between the darkness
Diving underneath
I'll find you out on the horizon
We'll never be enemies
 
Can't put back what's been broken
Can't change the moment
We went too far
 
We're pullin' apart for no reason
We're pullin' a trigger in a useless war
And if we come back and go into the black
What are we fighting for?
What are we fighting
 
It's just friendly fire, fire
Fire, fire
Fire, fire
Fire, fire

Might spend some of today to go through LP music again and remembering the dude and his unmatched musical ability. Happy birthday to Chester, today (20th)

On 3/7/2024 at 6:45 AM, bloodbath said:

zwierRZ did a mashup long time ago with Pushing Me Away https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NopQqqyQtaE 

That is pretty dang cool. PMA vocals are a bit slowed down I think. Halo is a little slower. But it fits in nicely

Edit heres a HQ version

On 3/7/2024 at 1:30 PM, Rasputin 93 said:

What reason is there that this thread would be any special to not post links yourself? Everyone can post links.

 

And it's recommended to provide actual sources to claims put in a discussion or else people might find different results when they search by themselves. And we end up discussing if it's the same result you've meant in the first place, when you could've cut this entire struggle short by just copy-pasting a link... Isn't that a good enough reason?

I am aware of the significance of source provision.

I was concerned of getting banned if I did. Was not familiar with any link rules around here. Settled.

8 hours ago, Hybrid1988 said:

I'm here to join the Massive fan club. Real shame it was never finished but glad to have finally heard it. I think it would have even been cool to have Mike do the vocals on it just like the demo. His vocals fit the track.

I can imagine a finished version with better drums, the finished Meteora guitar sound, and Chester's vocals on it. I don't think the lyrics were all the strongest, but it could've gone farther. A great demo for sure it's one of my favorite Meteora demos. I think Halo and Attached will always be my favorite Meteora era demos though, even though they're both instrumental. I feel like Halo is a very unpopular favorite but it's just one I could've seen getting finished with full vocals (also having the loud ass guitar part in the chorus cleaned up and redone at NRG) and being damn amazing.

On 4/6/2023 at 5:40 AM, WildernessHasLeftTheChat said:

 

👏👏👏👏👏

 

you had so much conviction, and you were right alllll along. Well done!

Hellll Yea man!!!! I sure was!!!

(What is this so seemingly passive aggressive ass comment lmfao 🤣

I don't even remember typing that honestly, but also I'm not here to be a top web whizz who knows every unspoken rule of the internet. I'm not like the most"internetly" smart or anything. I don't even participate in many other threads other than here. But no, I guess I don't normally like to be the one to post links in a thread like this, if there's not a good enough reason.

On 3/4/2024 at 12:55 PM, JZLP-NaughtyNottingham said:

amazing response! i dont like to post links hahaha

I mean mocking like this isn't really necessary, but if it makes you feel better, no biggie i suppose.

On 11/19/2023 at 2:10 AM, NJPLP said:

I'm really curious on what the working title for "Numb" is (if it has a working title), because we don't know what the working titles are for that song and "Foreword" (which I doubt has a working title, but you never know [it probably kept it's working title, if I had to guess]).

Foreword is just another word meaning “intro”. Actually for several years, I read it as “Forward”. I never actually realized or paid attention to that until a lot later on. I think It was Recorded at Mikes house shortly before mixing the album, when the recording was al(most) done. Just smashing of a shitty CD Player/Burner with a baseball bat on a metal table, and a bang (no idea what that is) and some water sounds. All in 14 seconds

For some reason I had the idea that it was made in like February 2003 before the album came out, I don’t know why or where the hell that idea came from.

On 3/3/2024 at 7:15 AM, yagamilight207 said:

if you have the picture or link to the sales mentioned Meteora is indeed remastered, please put it here so that we can take your word for it.  As above you only mentioned that you heard.

Everything will stay hearsay unless proven otherwise.

 

as Martinez have mentioned, all the tracks for CD1 is repackaged as it is, including the 2002 Mix which was mastered by Andy Wallace at the same time as all the Meteora tracks.

Meteora “digitally remastered”

^

In a web search and you’ll find them.

No not saying they haven’t been mixed again, all songs on CD1 are still 2002 mixes by Andy Wallace. Mastering is by Brian “Big Bass” Gardner.

3 hours ago, yagamilight207 said:

you mean this type of posts?

 

Linkin Park 'Meteora' (20th Anniversary Edition) 3CD Deluxe - NEW & SEALED 93624880974 | eBay

The release I’m referring to yeah, CD version of Meteora 20. But no that one doesn’t say remastered in the description. A handful of sales I’ve seen do though.

What they say specifically “Deluxe three CD edition. Digitally remastered and expanded 20th Anniversary.” A lot of artist rereleases say those same words for remastered albums.