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4 hours ago, LPLStaff said:

artists do Reanimation-style remixes

no.

1 hour ago, PurpleFlinstoneVitamins92 said:

I want Joe sing a solo song on LP8 

he's a robot bot bot bot bot and he won't stop stop stop stop 'cause he's a robot

 

Edit: maaan i was late to the party and didn't even realize

18 hours ago, blackout said:

I think that we don't really know what Joe or Phoenix or whoever did on which album. I'm almost sure that Joe's contribution to THP was still big. When they were making OML, I believe that Mike said that him and Joe were going through tons of sounds to incorporate them into the songs. No scratching doesn't mean that Joe was not involved. The roles of each band member has been changing with each album-making process. I think that Joe is responsible for creating sounds for songs, finding interesting samples to put in the tracks, maybe coming up with the arrangement stuff, etc. His role is not limited to scratching or doing "DJ stuff". It's similar to Brad's situation. I remember when ATS was released, people said that "Brad is doing nothing on this album, THERE IS NO GUITAR". The truth is that Brad is not supposed to play guitar only but he helps with production and do a lot of things that we are not even aware of. It's always funny for me when people say that Session is Joe's song, just because it's the only instrumental track on the album and includes a lot of scratching. For me it's obvioust that it's a typical Mike's Meteora-era work for which Joe added his scratching. Not everything is as obvious as people think and each member is not attached to his instrument only - they contributed to all of the albums in a variety of ways. 

yeah of course he was involved in writing and stuff but most likely didn't perform, that's what's disappointing

 

Brad not playing guitar is a whole different story - he is super involved in the process (as you can see e.g. in "the meeting of ATS" or "Brad says hello to mikeshinoda(dot)com", which is hilarious btw) - and you know he wrote Three Band Terror on his own, so there's a whole song he performed on his own on LT - even though the music itself on UIB was mike and brad for sure, he sang.

 

Lol CFTI and Session are super Mike-y, idk how ppl would think it's JH. With You for example has tons of scratching and isn't a JH song at all.

4 hours ago, OKCrew said:

💯💯 i think Joe did some very minimal drum machine samples like at the end of KTTK and end of UIG, and i think the Summoning, but yeah his minimal presence was the one thing i coulda used more of, but was also used to it at that point

nope I'm 100 percent positive that that was Mike, I think I read it somewhere, not sure about The Summoning though - that should have been Joe please, if not it would be disappointing to have only 5 members on that album

I think everybody did great on that album - especially Rob had his time to shine, he's just an excellent drummer.
Brad did some sick soli, Chester brought back some amazing screaming, Mike showed off his singing ability once again on ALITS, and did major songwriting on the whole album.
Well and then there's the bassist and we don't need to talk about Joe on THP I guess, he didn't even direct any music video besides UIG.
I know people dislike the songs for their lyrics and I couldn't care less, 'cause musically it's still a wholesome album and I feel rather bad for people, that can't listen to it like that.

this topic being reviewed in 2021 is something I would never have dreamed of hahaha

13 minutes ago, OKCrew said:

EDIT: Hahn is definitely doing some cool synth stuff but not actually scratching, at least in this rendition:

that's on the album too but way down in the mix, here it's just not mixed well

 

14 minutes ago, OKCrew said:

Wow then it’s extremely subtle cuz it just sounds like pure MPC to me on the studio version. Did they show this in the Making of Living Things or say that’s what they did in an interview?

check the multitracks, you can hear it pretty clearly

4 hours ago, OKCrew said:

he still added scratches to live versions of LITE

there's very subtle scratching on the studio version too. they did that usual manipulation stuff with an MPC and then Joe scratched it up.

13 hours ago, lpliveusername said:

Yeah, Mike said Slip was in the first batch of songs they did with Chester. If you read the book, when Jeff got that first CD with Chester, Brad told him they might record Slip with Chester. Apparently Jeff liked the song. It was probably right after that. Either Jeff doesn't have a CD with it or it is one of the CDs we don't have a tracklist. Note we don't have any tracklists with Flower or Stick N Move either. I believe the recording of Slip we have was in the same disc as Esaul, Blue and likely So Far Away. If I recall correctly, in the Hybrid Theory 20 book, Rob said the version of Stick N Move we got was recorded in early 2000 just so they could bring it to Don Gilmore.

 

I think so too. I believe there has to be another demo, from Chester's very early days. Like rerecording the Xero CD with Chester and that's it. I think So Far Away should be on there too. I suppose it was written right after they fired Mark and then Chester hopped on there to do his very few lines. Also I think Flower was never recorded onto CD, I think it was just between Emo and She Couldn't and since it was a pretty song they called it Flower for the time being. I think it's just a literal working title for the project of this song before the vocals finally came together. To me it sounds like they put Brad and Joe on Emo and called it Flower before Chester and Mike wrote lyrics, like it's obvious that version could never have been on a demo CD, 'cause that would've been like "Ashes", which I still don't understand why they included it before finishing beforehand.

 

1 hour ago, Metheory said:

what is "Flower"?

An early demo of She Couldn't

3 hours ago, BladedChild said:

I believe Slip was re-recorded with Chester in 1999, I could be wrong 

nah that's what I think too, there's just no demo out there that contains it (except the one in Mike's closet)

2 hours ago, OKCrew said:

Agreed QWERTY is better live, but I do like the “punk” ish elements/drumming they added to the chorus in the studio version.

 

I recently purchased the version of Blackbirds that’s listed as a Bonus Track on ATS on iTunes and it still includes that intro. Mike once said in an interview that the intro part is a demo recording and thought “it would be a cool way to start the song.” I just happen to disagree but think the rest of it is a masterpiece.

 

I get what you mean by Not Alone feeling “static” in that there aren’t any significant musical, vocal, or structural changes that we’re accustomed to from most Linkin Park songs. It’s definitely an example of them attempting to create a simply constructed song that speaks for itself and I think they succeeded. It’s beautifully written and performed, and then the scratching elements in the outro make it “interesting” to me as well.

Unpopular opinions right here:
 

I enjoy the studio version of QWERTY more than the live version

 

I think the intro of Blackbirds makes it more of a "being a part of something" experience, but I left it out on the instrumental, 'cause it's just a loop and I see why that is annoying in some way

Not Alone has amazing lyrics and great performance and it's certainly hypnotizing, I just don't like the sound they used on that one that much. but still it's a great song and if it was more energetic I would listen to it way more often - even though I listen to ballads like that on the regular, it's just a little different from what I like

On 2/12/2021 at 7:46 PM, jopevc said:

Slip (maybe this is what's on HT:20/LPU11 but IMO it doesn't sound that properly recorded)

Alright I'm pretty sure it's not from those recording sessions.
No live drums, which doesn't make sense if Rob in fact had recorded some.

Totally different guitar tone to the album and also not as polished as later recordings (tone-wise of course not as good as the HT masters but I mean rather guitar song writing - e.g. the lick before the last chorus is sounding like something Brad would have improved on later on.

The harmony vocals are even a little louder than the main vocals, which makes me believe this is rather a home recording they did.

Also the vocals are a little flat here and there which is a big no-no on album takes. They're not even edited.
I think that's enough reasons.

I think we can all agree on
1. QWERTY

2. Blackbirds

3. Not Alone

Do you guys think, that if NRL and ATL get released on Spotify eventually (I suppose MTM:20), that there's hope that it's the original tracks? 

I kinda doubt it and it makes me sad, 'cause I dislike the 2013 versions. I mean.. no need for the Acetate version of ATL, but at least the officially released one.

Hope's are also up for "Japan" being on MTM:20, even though it might not be that different from ATL

A short summary of the Reddit AMA with Jeff Blue.

Please note, that this is only a compilation of information about Linkin Park, their members and their relationship to Jeff and not about A&R in general or other artists he worked with. Also, his answers aren't edited to correct to preserve his intention in answering. Unrelated stuff is left out though.

 

Q: Do you have any footage of the band performing as Xero or Hybrid Theory?

 

Jeff Blue: "yes I have video but again can't release. A friend of mine has video and it's on youtube!"

 

Q: Do you know some of the singers that participated at the Xero Singing Audition?

 

JB: "Yes I know some of the singers."

 

Q: Brad once mentioned a Xero song called 'Spark Marker', is that song name real or not?

 

JB: "I don't remember anything called Spark Marker lol i think people have been making up names. I have almost every demo with random names, but the guys would just make names up and change them [...] but that name doesn't ring a bell."

 

Q: What are the differences between Stick N Move from Xero Tape and the first Xero CD from studio? What differences are between Step Up Xero version and Hybrid Theory version?

 

JB: "there's a ton of differences, you can hear them on spotify box set."

Note: Either Jeff mistook the Xero CD versions for Hybrid Theory versions, or structurally the songs haven't changed from the Xero CD.

 

Q: Is the version of the song 'And One', recorded on March 14, 2000, at NRG (as mentioned on the book), the same version which was played live between 2000-2002?

 

JB: "Yes on "and one" and unfortunately I can't release them myself." "And One had a few diff versions."

 

Q: Why was Stick and Move scrapped from the Hybrid Theory album? Is there a final version of it?

 

JB: "Hey, so we had dozens of songs, we narrowed them down to 14, and only 11 could make the album (plus Joe's cure for the itch) since contractually the band would only get paid on a certain amount of tracks. The band, Don, and I chose the songs we felt were strongest! Although it's a good song, it also wasn't one that Chester wrote on so maybe that was a factor too, but in the end...we released the strongest songs we believed in!"
 

Q: Is there any chance those demos that you mentioned in your book could get leaked to the public?

 

JB: "not sure legally, i have a lot of demos that are diff than what is on the box set. diff versions really"
 

Q: Would you be able to release music from those demos yourself?
 

JB: "no, i have the original artwork from the very first demo and not sure how to even release that."

 

Q: What are one or two Linkin Park songs that you felt most proud to be a part of?

 

JB: "Honestly I feel Crawling, One Step Closer, and Points of Authority are my favorites on the album"

 

Q: Do you have any specific memories of a lyric, line, or sound from the band that kept you motivated? What about a disagreement? You mentioned that Mike is a great writer, Brad is so smart too. Each band member almost seemed to play a pivotal role outside the instrument they played (Artwork/production/directing etc), and I think that plays a bigger part in what makes a band successful. I always respected how you bet on the people behind the music.
 

JB: "Mike's lyrics had a dark vibe, his early demos all had rain, concrete, references etc. I loved Points of Authority, but the first demos are what kept me motivated. Mike is very prolific and cinematic, that grabbed me instantly as opposed to other artists at the time simply writing aggressive lyrics. Obviously i detail many disagreements we had making the album, but that's part of creating something iconic. Had those disagreements not happened it probably wouldn't have pushed everyone that extra mile to make such an incredible product, although it would have been much less stressful. The label politics were exhausting. The manager and I will be doing a 3 hr video answering questions which will be posted soon! Follow my My IG is @JeffBlueMusic for info on it!"

"And yes the band was completely focused on their vision which allowed them to be authentic, which is soooo important. And thanks for realizing all the hard work that goes into developing artists! :)"

 

Q: What is your fondest memory of Chester/the band as a whole?

 

JB: "there are so many amazing memories. with Chester the first time I spoke to him on the phone, his passion and energy struck me like no other; the first time I met him, his innocence and positive spirit really affected me, but after we finished the album through all the drama and hardships, we sat across from my house and looked out at the ocean and he said, some day, I want us to look back on this. I want to buy (what was empty land at the time) this property and build a house next to yours. One of my favorite moments with the band was after all the studio drama, going back and tweaking the tracks a hundred times with my notes, when they thought I would hate it, I listened to the entire album start to finish twice, and came into the studio with tears in my eyes. They said "you hate it, i knew it" I replied this is the most amazing piece of art I've ever heard! I was overwhelmed with pride for the band and their tenacity and talent and ability to overcome all the pressure and rejection we all had experienced for 3 years. I knew the ablum was special"

 

JB about his relationship with Chester:

"I was blessed to literally reach Chester as a fluke. If you read the book I convinced an attorney buddy to reach out to him on a whim. When I heard his voice something told me this was the guy, and when he sent me the demo, I was floored. From the moment I met him we had a bond, and were really close all through when I left Warner to go to Interscope. Of course in the midst of the entertainment industry things get distorted and people lose touch but Chester and I spent a lot of in depth talking time together. We were both a little different than the rest of the guys. Our families spent holidays together (both of our ex wives etc) and we went through the tough time of getting a record deal together. Chester was an incredibly passionate and feeling individual. Like most artists we all have demons inside and that's what makes us more emotive than most. Chester brought a beautiful light to the darkness we live in. He was vulnerable and passionate, true, authentic, and believable, and that's what allowed us all in the world to connect with his voice. He made us all feel like we belong. The story is really inspirational and the world is a better place because of him"

Just now, LPLStaff said:

 

Crawling already had a name before March 2000. It's on a January 2000 demo CD under the name Crawling. It is unlikely that Harmonic Song is Crawling. It could be Pushing Me Away since it was the last song (besides maybe Cure for the Itch?) written for Hybrid Theory.

I know that it had a name before, but it's the only song not mentioned on the list. It does not have harmonics (overtones) in it (which PMA does), BUT it is the only song besides PMA to have a second guitar playing a harmony over it, making it a harmonic song. (I know it is only a vague idea but hey..)

5 minutes ago, deanowardust said:

Pods had sounds in it that appeared in later demos/songs. The whole reason behind putting the demos and those sorta things on the LPU Cd's was to give insight into how the ideas start and then expand into the songs them become

nah Pods is completely unrelated to LP, it's just that he had a small sound bank and apparently liked some of those on Linkin Park songs better/as well

I'm taking the list by  @lpliveusername trying to share my thoughts on what I think we already have from Jeff demos (bold text):

 

Xero - 1997 Mike Shinoda (from photo):

01. Fuse

02. Reading My Eyes

03. Stick N Move

 

First Xero demo he heard:

01. Fuse

02. [Untitled Track]

03. Stick And Move

04. Reading My Eyes

 

November 1997, baby cover: (obviously)

01. Rhinestone

02. Reading My Eyes (even remastered on HT20)

03. Fuse

04. Stick N Move

 

Xero (from photo):

01. Rhinestone

02. Dreamer

03. Weight

 

August 25, 1998 demo produced by Darryl Swan at Paramount Recording Studios (Studio C)

[Fiends from Rapology 14 likely from this demo]

 

November 17, 1998 demo CD:

01. Rhinestone

02. Esaul

03. Pictureboard

04. Fiends (I believe they reused the R14 one)

05. Stick N Move (instrumentally if there was a Chester version before album sessions - I'm thinking audition tape)

06. Carousel

07. Slip (instrumentally if there was a Chester version before album sessions - I'm thinking audition tape)

08. Step Up

 

First demo CD with Chester [early May 1999]:

01. Over To Me (Blue)

02. Could Have Been

03. Rhinestone

04. Esaul

05. Part Of Me

06. Turn To Grey

07. Pictureboard

08. Ashes (Unfinished)

 

Studio time with Mudrock in June 1999 for about a week [Hybrid Theory EP]

 

9-track demo CD, week of August 16, 1999: (pretty sure that's the "Forgotten Demos" source or each is at least on one of the leaked demo CDs)

xx. Untitled

xx. Points Of Authority

xx. Super Xero

xx. I Hate You/Crawling

 

Random mentions:

It Doesn't Matter [Untitled]

Flower [early She Couldn't]

 

Brad and Mike flew to New York to work with the Dust Brothers in September/October 1999 and did an early version of With You with only rap vocals. The demo was called Dust Brothers because it was meant for the Dust Brothers album.

 

Don Gilmore received the first demo from the band in November 1999: (Probably also on the actually leaked demo CDs)

xx. Untitled (I'm pretty sure we have most of the demos of songs that actually made it onto HT)

xx. Crawling (I'm pretty sure we have most of the demos of songs that actually made it onto HT)

xx. Dust Brothers (Not sure about this one though - it has changed quite a bit)

xx. Points Of Authority (I'm pretty sure we have most of the demos of songs that actually made it onto HT)

 

Early March [first week] demo CD:

01. Plaster [no bridge]

02. Papercut [guitar/beat instrumental demo]

 

Recording at NRG started on March 7, 2000 (what did they do the first week besides setting up? Guide tracks in a live take?) and was scheduled for a month and a half. Rob's drum recording schedule for Hybrid Theory:

 

March 14, 2000:
Harmonic Song (same as Runaway: If we don't consider Rob back in studio after Mar 17th - this should be Crawling)
Pictureboard
By Myself
Plaster
Papercut
Rhinestone (Forgotten)
And One

 

March 15, 2000:
Untitled
Esaul (A Place For My Head)
Dust Bros.
Stick N Move (maybe this is what's on HT:20 but IMO it doesn't sound that properly recorded)

 

March 16, 2000:
Stick N Move (continued from 3/15) (I believe they used this for Runaway - if Rob didn't have to record once more after the SnM was completed, 'cause of Don)
Slip (maybe this is what's on HT:20/LPU11 but IMO it doesn't sound that properly recorded)
A Place For My Head

 

March 17, 2000:
Points Of Authority
Pushing Me Away
Now I See

 

 

what do you guys think? is this anywhere near accurate?

48 minutes ago, hybrider said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/lhpg9p/comment/gmzogoh

 

Dude he has THE SONG AND ONE FROM THE 2000 STUDIO SESSIONS and it's the freaking live version.. damn now I got hopes up for something we'll probably never hear..

 

edit: I just read your answer to him... on my own behalf: please don't try to convince him to release stuff illegally, that's just childish and in imo it's poor taste. also I think it puts a bad light on LPL if people keep referring to PB with Mark, since the TJ and Antoine things are still open on LPL. Some things I personally am not even comfortable with them being posted on here, 'cause Warner is always around the corner. But reddit? c'mon

21 hours ago, xeroboi said:

Is Chester singing slip at 1:40 in this video?  

 

Welcome to the Ostrick Tapes 

5 minutes ago, NJPLP said:

What do you mean? How is it not Mark Wakefield? It says on Linkinpedia, since it didn't sound like the band Wakefield, and since it wasn't the band Wakefield at all, based purely on the voice and the fact that no one have ever been able to attribute it to any other artist, it is believed to be a Mark Wakefield solo song.

  I mean Mike has stated that this is not a Mark Wakefield song iirc

14 hours ago, NJPLP said:

Is Ground Xero, by Mark Wakefield, from 1998 or 1999?

It's not Mark Wakefield

8 hours ago, NJPLP said:

Is this the sample you were talking about?

 

101strg2

probably.. I only have them as .snd sadly

9 hours ago, Astat said:

 

This is a mistake we need to fix - the song that samples that piece is Reading My Eyes, not Stick and Move. The intro to Reading My Eyes is one of the "101strg" samples from Mike's MPC library pitched up and sped up a bunch.

which folder is it in?

 

16 hours ago, Burberry said:

I'd say the sound effect about 43 seconds in kind of disproves that unfortunately, though it's pretty well done 

reduction acapellas usually don't keep the reverb and when there are multi-tracked vocals, some of them get dropped - also this would be very clean even for today's techniques to make an acapella

and as eyesburning said - back in the day it would have been much sloppier

I think it's legit