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Late March? Or maybe you meant the other track, the TV one (MTV) If yes... you might be right then

They could be still processing the better quality, that's why you see only 480p right now.

Oh, ok, so that's the same link I have there which is for US edition, the song on the international edition had the name: Blackbirds (From The 8-Bit Rebellion! App) I think that the way how the song was called in the US edition was a mistake on the tracklist in the iTunes store, because I have it and the even the file name is 18 Blackbirds (From the 8-Bit Rebellion! App).m4a, also the song has the same name in the iTunes LP menu. I think the demos of all above will end up on LT20.

Sure. They can be just like on the LPU. If you look closely, there's no that much logic of where or when they censor the songs. HT EP has two songs with explicit lyrics that were not censored, then you have two b-sides officially released on the In The End single APFMH and Step Up both not censored, you have also High Voltage (live) version from the LPU which was not censored too, while censored studio version of the same song was made available on the OSC single. And all of that stuff in the exact versions mentioned above by me was included on the HT20.

No. Re-mastered, so they would at least have a slightly different mastering + comparing what the quality some of those lpu songs have, this will be night/day difference. I hope we will get some of those songs uncensored.

So the question is, are they should to include the demo/alternate version of the song on MTM or ATS? Because from what he said it means they change something in the song before they added it to the game. I think it was just "Blackbirds (From The 8-Bit Rebellion! App)", without the "Non-Album Track"

Of course it's unconfirmed, so there's no sense to spread that info.

No, those 15 episodes are for possible DVD release!. Looks like was speaking to myself with my argumentation.

Maybe this will be finally added to MTM video section.

I can see some people talking about Chester as a perfect angel person because of the voice he had and not because of his problems, which those the same people might also ve aware more or less of them.

The main question is why they decided to go with the 2023 mix instead of going with the original 2002 mix?

@Coizu, ok, I got your point. From the very beginning, when I for the first time heard the wizard clip I always thought that (I probably receive a lot of hate now) those harmonies background vocals on the top of it Chester sings are not by him, but someone different. ---------------------------- Also, there was a conversation about LIT and that they have to mix it again due to LPU tracks has some differences, but I think since there they released all song on the dvd they have to have the full concert as a audio only somehere, so if they woudn't want to mix it again or change anything, I think all they would have to do is mastered it for a vinly, just do the same similar thing like with the HT EP they did. But, when the pre order info of the M20 appeared in the digital stores, it revealed that the new versions of both the Nottingham show and LIT were newly registered in January 2023 (while the other stuff and previous versions of the live shows were already prepared and registered in 2022 before the December), it not only confirmed that it was the main reason of why they postponed the whole M20 release but also that some differences was made. And now I'm going to skipp the Nottingham because you probably already now about it (I'm talking about Mark, Astat), the LIT also come with some differences as you can compare the length of the songs from the original release: Somewhere I Belong (Live In Texas) (03:37) Lying From You (Live In Texas) (03:07) Papercut (Live In Texas) (03:06) Points Of Authority (Live In Texas) (03:25) Runaway (Live In Texas) (03:11) Faint (Live In Texas) (02:47) From The Inside (Live In Texas) (03:05) P5hng Me A*wy (Live In Texas) (05:05) Numb (Live In Texas) (03:06) Crawling (Live In Texas) (03:33) In The End (Live In Texas) (03:31) One Step Closer (Live In Texas) (04:13) with the length of the songs from the M20 release: Don’t Stay (Live In Texas) (03:19) Somewhere I Belong (Live In Texas) (03:35) Lying From You (Live In Texas) (03:07) Papercut (Live In Texas) (03:06) Points Of Authority (Live In Texas) (03:26) Runaway (Live In Texas) (03:07) Faint (Live In Texas) (02:46) From The Inside (Live In Texas) (03:01) Figure.09 (Live In Texas) (03:51) With You (Live In Texas) (03:20) By Myself (Live In Texas) (04:07) P5hng Me A*Wy (Live In Texas) (05:05) Numb (Live In Texas) (03:14) Crawling (Live In Texas) (03:42) In The End (Live In Texas) (04:04) A Place For My Head (Live In Texas) (03:57) One Step Closer (Live In Texas) (04:01) you can already see that there will be some differences. The difference might be that they just cut differently the whole release into the songs. It could also have a new mix (definitely it would have a new master), it could have also some other differences, but for right now we coudn't be sure of anything. The most difference in length are Crawling and One Step Closer.

Awesome! I watched it yesterday, there are some stuff that I want to point it out. I would do it one per post. I apologize but I don't remember the exact sentence of what was said, so I'm not gonna quote. I think Astat was mentioning that the vocals for the wizard song were never recorded. I'm not sure if that's true, If you will listen to the wizarc clip, after the Chester is singing "...the boots" the very first thing what you can heard is the vocals from the computer, right before the Chester starts to sing (watch the Chester carefully and you will notice). Which, confirms that at some point vocals was recorded.

It was weird for me to see that the pre order for M20 started show up in some countries for example on iTunes, while in some other stores appeared in a bit later time, even almost 24 hours later, now I know why. Don't know if you have seen my site yesterday/today, but there are now listed 3 M20 albums. I found out that the streaming platforms/digital stores will have two separate versions of the album, currently the only difference I know is just a different barcode, but that means that the info and audio files have to be delivered to two version of the albums. It is a possible that this another version of it is contrlolled by another branch of Warner. Don't know, I will say maybe. So, taking into account the similar situation that happened with other albums in the past, the info about the tracks in two different albums (in albums that have two different barcodes) can be delivered at different perioud of time and those two versions can received two different infos. One of that store is Qobuz it received the album with different barcode. While iTunes and some other stores already received the info about the track "Fighting Myself" the qobuz also received some details about the "More The Victim" track.

I think it might be a mix of stuff we already know with some new stuff. That's just my opinion, don't take this as an any confirmation.

About the new documentary from the Meteora DVD, it's over 60 minutes, considering that all LPTV has totall time around 50 minutes, this still will have somewhere around 20 minutes of a new fottage. I mean this doesn't have to be true, but I just want to be surprised positively, than dissapoined. Some Additional info about identifiers for some M20 physicals (only for collectors):

Next pre=release song: ---> Fighting Myself

I figured it out why it shows 95 tracks, It's because it also counts the names of the discs that's why lol https://i.ibb.co/fQ3X8Dw/m20itunes.png

I thought that the music video will look different, I mean that the whole video will be animated from scratch, but they actually took a various scenes from WID and other videos and animated them. ------------------------------ Just in case if someone still don't know that: Lost mixed by: Manny Marroquin mastered by: Brian "Big Bass" Gardner Lost (2002 Mix) mixed by: Andy Wallace mastered by: Brian "Big Bass" Gardner Lost (2002 Mix) is the original track that was already mixed and mastered in 2003.

And something at the bottom: "PRINTING"

Digital edition: 95 tracks LIT and Notthingham live audio included!

02.10 EDIT: I posted my opinion about the song too fast. I have to admit that I like it.

My potentially good suggestion was wasted here and totally has no sense of how it was added lol I added the list of MTM 15 lptv episodes and that list was a suggestion to be copy and paste to the main list, it wasn't a suggestion to add all lptv episodes from meteora, mtm, ats, lt, thp, oml. There's no sense to add all of them simply because they probably will not be included in any of 20th editions, there might be a quality upgrade of some of them on youtube only but they will not be available on dvds or in any other form and I wasn't suggesting to add all of those. In 2007 along with MTM album all of mentioned by me 15 full-length episodes were released on iTunes for fans for purchase. That was the first time the band did something like that and never done the similar thing again. Those full length episodes was not uploaded on youtube by the band.

I could be wrong but I think Mark was the one mentioning that making of Believe Me was on fortminormilitia.com, when I was asking about it on the chat long time ago.

@lpliveusername now that's what I'm talking about - Thank You! Two things: - not sure if Welcome should be included - you should add also making of Believe Me, that some people have seen on the fortminormilitia.com