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  1. Me too. We can't possibly know. We haven't heard that CD. We can't assume it's similar to the 1997 version just because the LPU demo (which is the beat of that version) is listed as a 1998 demo. The Hybrid Party Of A Thousand Things leak had the beats for both versions of the song. We discussed it in the LPLive group and came to the same conclusion. A lot of people here seem to think the same too. I guess that settles it. The versions of Esaul (from LPU Rarities), Pictureboard (from Forgotten Demos) and Rhinestone (LPU Rarities) with Chester were all recorded with Phoenix, not Kyle. He surely played those songs at rehearsals, showcases and live shows, just not in the studio versions on HT20, which is what he is claiming. Are there any songs without live bass that I left out of my list? Dedicated? She Couldn't? Step Up? We were told at least the verses of Carousel is all synth instead of live bass, not sure about the rest of the song.
  2. How do you know? This was late 1998, so they might had a different version of the song by then. We don't know the exact period when the LPU 9.0 demo was created or even if it's dated correctly (could easily be from 1997).
  3. That's correct. Then they allowed Chester to appear on the Santana album that came out the same month as A Thousand Suns. lol
  4. We have the Rhinestone instrumental from the audition tape. Wasn't it a little different from the version with vocals? Also, wouldn't Chester's audition recordings have only his vocals (without Mike)? I think it's safe to assume all singers received the same tapes from the band, so that would be only 3 tracks. Step Up. Same disc as Carousel. Now that I looked at the tracklist, Stick N Move is in there too, so maybe that was the second version of the song, similar to the HT20 version. Right, that's so weird because the disc has a lot of very early demos they did with Chester, but Points Of Authority, Super Xero and Untitled are there as well. I think the first mention of those 3 songs in Jeff's book is from the August 1999 demo. Yet, Slip still had Mark's vocals even though Mike supposedly took Slip with Chester from the first batch of songs they did together alongside Blue (another track in the disc). On a side note, Fiends with Mark was in there as well. I wonder if they ever recorded it with Chester since he eventually sang on Slip.
  5. It's not like he has been "saying he was not for 20 years." He claimed it publicly once, 21 years after the EP was recorded, and according to the article the Linkin Park team did offer to pay him for the EP (24 years late). I think so. The band do get paid for publishing of those songs as evidenced by the fact that they were all registered on BMI when they were first released to the LPU. If you go through their BMI catalog you'll see several songs which are still exclusive to the fan club.
  6. I think there's no evidence whatsoever for when they recorded this take of Stick N Move. Could have been done anytime in 1999 or early 2000. The only thing I'm sure about is that it isn't the NRG version because the quality of the recording screams low quality demo, not a finished product recorded at a professional studio for their debut album. The quote from the Hybrid Theory 20 book seems to suggest that whatever instrumental they recorded at NRG simply became Runaway. This? Right. This statement makes no sense whatsoever. The guy wants to be paid for his work and that's it. If they give him what he is owned, he can't possibly come back for more. He can't claim he worked on songs from the other albums. He was only a member of the band in 1999. I think it's entirely possible that for some of the demos they just reused the old instrumentals and recorded new vocals over them, however Blue is definitelly not one of those songs because Blue was written with Chester. Mark Wakefield and Dave Farrell have no writing credits for it. Even the bass style sounds different from Dave's. Here's a list of the songs they could have reused the Xero instrumentals for (if anyone compares them to the Xero demos, let us know): Esaul ("A Place For My Head" Demo) Slip (1998 Unreleased Hybrid Theory Demo) Forgotten (Demo) Pictureboard Stick N Move (Demo) Carousel (Demo) Again, I'm not entirely sure when Stick N Move was recorded. This is a completely different song from its 1997 version on the Xero tape. I'm not sure if this version was ever recorded while Mark Wakefield was still in the band (before Kyle joined). I'm including Carousel because, according to Jeff's book, there was a Xero version of Carousel and Dave Farrell was credited for the song (for the first time) on Hybrid Theory 20 (no credits for Mark Wakefield though). However, I don't know when this exact version of Carousel was recorded. It could have been recorded after the Hybrid Theory EP, which would mean that Kyle does indeed play on it. This statement definitely hurts his case. What we, as the people who run Linkinpedia, have to keep in mind is that Kyle isn't a Linkin Park fan and made that statement 20 years after leaving the band. 20 years since the last time he heard those songs. He said the version he heard in 1999 didn't have his bass work. That could have been true. The band could have done multiple versions of those songs, some with his bass work and some without it. Who knows? He is credited for bass on the original EP after all. He also claimed that his bass solo was removed from Could Have Been. Maybe it was at some point, but the version we got still has it. Again, before we interviewed him, he didn't even know the band had released any songs with him on bass. There was no way he could possibly know which versions of those songs were released. I guess he could use the original 1999 version of the Hybrid Theory EP as an (maybe weak) argument for the 6 tracks in it, but he doesn't really have any proof for the other demos. His best choice would be to reach out to Jeff Blue as he has kept notes on everything the band did.
  7. So here's what he is claiming he played on: Hybrid Theory EP 1. Carousel 2. Technique (Short) No live bass 3. Step Up 4. And One 5. High Voltage 6. Part Of Me B-Side Rarities 7. Step Up (1999 Demo) Exactly the same as the Hybrid Theory EP version LPU Rarities 1. In The End (Demo) Different bass line from the album version 2. Dedicated (1999 Demo) 7. Esaul ("A Place For My Head" Demo) Same instrumental as the 1998 version with Mark Wakefield and Dave Farrell 13. Forgotten (Demo) Same instrumental as the 1998 version with Mark Wakefield and Dave Farrell 14. Sad ("By Myself" Demo 1999) No live bass 16. Blue (1998 Unreleased Hybrid Theory Demo) Actually from 1999 17. Chair (1999 "Part of Me" Demo) No live bass Forgotten Demos 2. Pictureboard Same instrumental as the 1998 version with Mark Wakefield and Dave Farrell 3. She Couldn't 4. Could Have Been 6. Rhinestone (Xero Demo) Recorded in 1998 with Mark Wakefield and Dave Farrell 7. Esaul (Xero Demo) Recorded in 1998 with Mark Wakefield and Dave Farrell 8. Stick N Move (Demo) 9. Carousel (Demo) 10. Points Of Authority (Demo) 11. Crawling (Demo) 12. SuperXero (By Myself Demo) Keep in mind that Kyle joined the band in early 1999, before Chester. The earliest demo recorded with Chester on vocals mentioned in Jeff Blue's book dates from May 1999 and included (among other songs) Blue, Could Have Been, Rhinestone ("Forgotten" demo), Esaul and Pictureboard. Another demo from the end of May 1999 included "Untitled (It Doesn't Matter)" ("In The End" demo) and a demo called "Flower" which, according to Jeff, became She Couldn't. They entered the studio with Andrew Murdock to record the Hybrid Theory EP in June 1999. Jeff's book also mentions a 9-track demo CD dating from the week of August 16, 1999 which included versions of Untitled ("In The End" demo), Points Of Authority, Super Xero and "I Hate You/Crawling" (same version included in the Forgotten Demos disc). Kyle was only fired from the band around October 1999 when they had secured (but not yet signed) the deal with Warner. And here's what Kyle left out: LPU Rarities 5. Points Of Authority (Demo) Earlier version when compared to the Forgotten Demos version 9. Slip (1998 Unreleased Hybrid Theory Demo) Actually from 1999 11. So Far Away (Unreleased 1998) Actually from 1999 Frat Party At The Pankake Festival Esaul (1999) Unlisted easter egg Originally released on LPU Eleven, Mike's notes about Slip said that this recording of the song originated from the same batch of songs as Blue and that they were among the first songs recorded with Chester. So Far Away has vocals by Chester, so it can't be from 1998. The rehearsal video of Esaul shows the band performing a version of the song very similar to the Xero version, so it must had been filmed right after Chester joined the band. While some of the band members are out of frame in the video (you can only see the head and maybe part of the neck of the bass), the bass player can only be Kyle. The way I see it, both statements are true. lol Listen to our interview. He didn't even know Linkin Park had been releasing demos he recorded with them for 20 years. lol
  8. To be fair, he claimed his bass solo was removed from Could Have Been too and he was proved wrong. Yeah, he definitely hurt his case with his nonsensical list. He should had took the time to actually listen to the music as I'm pretty sure there are plenty of demos with him in there, just not some of the demos he is claiming.
  9. No, the bass is the same. They didn't change any of the songs besides remastering the audio. The LPU reissue is just a little louder than the original 1999 version. That's the only difference. You do realize that Phoenix wasn't a member of the band when Hybrid Theory was recorded, right? He doesn't play in any song from that album. The band that released One Step Closer was Mike, Brad, Chester, Joe, Rob and Scott. You can even see Scott in the music video and he is credited for bass on the song.
  10. I think what happened here is that he looked at all the demos dated as being from 1999 and just decided he played on them all. This is the result of Kyle not knowing the band's material and not having any Linkin Park fan to help him. He lists songs that are entirely programmed beats and left out songs on which I'm pretty sure he is the one playing bass (they originated from the same disc as 'Blue' after all). The band mistakenly releasing songs recorded in 1999 as "1998 demos" surely made it harder for him. Then we have 'Esaul' and 'Rhinestone,' two Xero songs from 1998 with Mark Wakefield on vocals, which were recorded before he even joined the band. He might have just remembered playing those songs and didn't bother to actually listen to them since there were versions of those same songs with Chester on vocals on the LPU Rarities disc. Despite that he only listed one demo version of 'Points Of Authority' for whatever reason. Pretty sloppy work. Not to mention there's a potential video with him playing bass in that collection, which isn't listed in any tracklists due to it being a hidden feature. That being said, it was a huge oversight not crediting Kyle for the LPU Rarities disc, the Frat Party DVD, or even the Hybrid Theory EP. I mean, his name was literaly in the original pressing of the EP and the article says the Linkin Park team wanted to pay him for the tracks on the EP. So why leave his name out on the HT20 vinyl? Not only that, they should had contacted him before releasing anything, not after the fact.
  11. What he meant by "forget the concept of a traditional album."
  12. Yes, I do know someone, but is kind of a dick. I don't think he will do it. It sounds like he is talking about the rap part at the end of And One. I guess it was its own track at one point. Explains why And One was performed live without it.
  13. Welcome to LPLive. Don't argue with Geki, it's pointless.
  14. Pretty sure the point of the EP is to showcase the biggest hits with Mike's vocals. It would make absolutely no sense to include so called deep cuts like some people is suggesting. I do agree that Bleed It Out to In My Head is quite a jump though, but, being an EP, they had a very limited number of songs they could include and it makes sense to want to promote the latest singles instead of past singles. The three Linkin Park songs represent a period when the band was at their peak in popularity and the Fort Minor song is without a doubt the most popular song to come from the project.
  15. This is how you do merch with album art, not this square shit: https://twitter.com/TheOfficialA7X/status/1706768381633065298
  16. I'm pretty sure people were supposed to share it or else they wouldn't allow it to be filmed and we would have received take down requests. Believe me, they don't fuck around when they want stuff taken down.
  17. Does anybody remember this track? Starts the same way. It wasn't done on Twitch, it came out of nowhere. Maybe an early demo from this project? The new song, based on the snippet played by Mike, definitely has punk rock influences (more like pop punk), which explains the imagery we've been seeing for the last few days. If this turns out to be an album, I think we might hear other songs in this style.
  18. It's VMA season and today marks the 22nd anniversary of Linkin Park's first ever performance at the event. On September 06, 2001, the band took the stage at the Metropolitan Opera House to play an extended version 'One Step Closer' in collaboration with legendary DJ crew X-Ecutioners. The VMA performance took place just a couple of months after Mike announced to the Linkin Park Street Team that he and Joe had recorded a song with the group. Regarded by Mike as a Fort Minor track before the project even existed, 'It's Goin' Down' came out in early 2002 as the first single from X-Ecutioners' second studio album Built From Scratch, which happened to be the group's most commercially successful output due to the presence of many notorious artists in the songs. Today we're bringing you the contents of a promotional VCD for the album and its lead single. Issued in the Philippines, the disc contains 3 videos, the first of them being a short documentary introducing the group and featuring snippets of the VMA performance and Linkin Park's post-show interview at MTV TRL. The other two videos are the music video and the making of 'It's Goin' Down', recorded on January 8, 2002 at the Park Plaza Hotel in Los Angeles, where Guns N' Roses also shot their video for 'Welcome To The Jungle'. Many celebrities from the rock, hip-hop and skateboarding scene can be seen throughout the video, including the other 4 Linkin Park members, Wayne Static from Static-X (who, contrary to popular belief, doesn't play in the studio recording of the song), members of Adema, Xzibit, hed (p.e.), Tha Alkaholiks, and the Beat Junkies. The original files in the VCD are in .DAT format. Since some devices might have trouble opening this file extension, we're also providing the videos in .MP4 format. Thanks to Rvin Park. Download: MEGA: Folder WeTransfer: Part 1 lp-bits: Torrent Linkinpedia
  19. Too much work and too much money spent on it and the traveling festival format was losing popularity. A lot of money to transport a second stage and additional crews. Warner didn’t want to pay for it anymore. They did do Projekt Revolution during the A Thousand Suns era, but as one-off festivals instead of an entire tour. Same thing happened to other big traveling festivals.
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